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Tayesin
It could be possible that the inhabitants of Niburu live entirely underground. That would mean that their planet must have an advanced system to generate and sustain an (underground) atmosphere. If I understood your post correctly then Niburu was Not constructed as a hollow planet/starship. (btw Dyson Spheres are so far only found in Sci-fi but they are theoretically possible).

So assuming that this is the case my next question concerns the inhabitants of Niburu - the Annunaki.
In your opinion are they an advanced race capable of interstellar travel??
Or is their technology more equivalent to modern Earth (only at the beginning stages of space travel??


Curious
Grey

Hi Venus

Your ability to go out of body seems to be progressing. I've noticed that you have posted several accounts of either full or partial OBEs during the past 2 or 3 weeks.

If you keep at it and experience more OBEs in the coming weeks and months you Should notice that the quality of those future OBEs will be significantly better.
Clarity of vision, speed of motion, flight and the length of time out of body usually get much better after the first few OBEs. The more experience a person has then the more control the person commands when OOB and the longer each OBE normally lasts.

Stay focused and good luck with continued efforts.
Grey

My suggestion is to go to the website www.erowid.org
You can find ALOT of information about DMT by
a) clicking on "Plants and Chemicals" then going into the DMT 'vault' (and/or the Ayahuasca vault)
b) clicking on "Mind and Spirit" then going to the Out of Body Experiences page. You will find many reports about OBEs and DMT.

First off I have never had an experience even remotely like the one described by Bluesky11.
Other than the standard reports of possession the only other reports that I have read about are about "walk-ins".
"Walk-ins' are spirits who inhabit another's physical body because either ---
a) the 'walk-in' is allowed by the other physical person's consciousness to enter or
b) the other person's consciousness (Astral/ethereal Body) has temporarily or permanently vacated their physical body.
The idea of 'walk-ins' does indeed seem very unusual. Yet what exactly is Normal where OBEs/astral projection is Concerned?

Anyway the point to be made here is that it is indeed theoretically possible for 2 consenting consciousnesses (Astral/ethereal bodies) to switch physical bodies with one another. Or to share a single physical body between them. (Perhaps that partially explains some cases of szchophrenia??)
Very unusual. Very rare. Yet it is at least theoretically possible.

Grey

I too have been 'pulled' out of my body into a full OBE. However, unlike many others, I felt that it was some type of strong energy, and not a discarnate, that pulled me 'out'. Though this has not happened in quite a while I still remember each of those OBEs because they were all dramatic.



Grey

First, just a thought (or question) about Niburu ---

How could a planet so far from the Sun support any type of advanced, intelligent life???
Niburu MUST be well outside the orbit of Pluto or it would have been discovered by astronomers Long ago. Any planet that far from a star is WAY outside the habitable zone and would be far too cold to contain liquid water - all the water would be frozen. And if that is the case then no intelligent life could survive there.
It will be interesting to see any replies to this issue.

Second
Tayesin
That was a fascinating experience and thanx for sharing.
Was it an actual physical encounter or did you meet this alien while out of body.
And did the alien tell you what star system he/she/it came from??
Any replies are welcome.


Grey

Check out of The Voice Of Silence websight at www.invisiblelight.us TVOS has done alot of work  verifying things that he has seen while out of body.

Although verified events during an out of body are realtively rare thay Do occur. I have read other OBE accounts of verified information. TVOS has kept a detailed record of such events.

Grey

IMO there is probbly no way to be absolutely certain if a discarnate is permanently deceased or is temporarily out of body. Unless, of course, one encounters a deceased relative or friend while out of body.
About the silver cord --- very few people who report accounts of their OBEs report seeing the silver cord. So seeing or not seeing a silver cord is Not a good way to judge a discarnate being. I have had dozens of OBEs and have seen a silver cord maybe once, if at all.


Grey

Phitau
you asked

Could it be that chakras are points in our bodies in which our soul is passing through?

I would say that the Chakras are the points where the superphysical energy of the soul directly interacts with the physical body. This energy effects the physical, the mental and the emotional character of a person.

Yogis and other spiritually adept people are able to manipulate that energy coming through the various chakras and perform amazing feats of mind and body.


Good thinking , I like your idea.

Grey

CFTraveler
Regarding that elusive "Theory of Everything" -
IMO it will never happen until science includes the study of Consciousness into the equation (Conscientology?? ) This is mainly because when science operates at the quantum level there is more subjectivity that objectivity (Schrodinger's cat and other Gedanken experiements are good examples of quantum subjectivity  (ie scientific Uncertainty lol) ).

Grey

Mrsix
Congrats on your recent full OBE.
It must feel quite good to break a long no-OBE 'dry spell'.
I have personally found that OBEs can occur in bunches. Maybe you are about to experience another 2 or 3 more "projections" in the next few days. (That is what happens alot to me, anyways. I will go months without an OBE and then experience 2 or 3 in only 2 weeks.)

As intention can be important to producing/inducing an OBE (consciously when hypnagogic or uncounsciously directly from sleep) it might be a good idea to focus on having another OBE during the next few days.

btw If you have more OBEs then post them here.

Good luck

Grey 

Yes and the internet has been the most important reason for change.
The amount of discussions about OBEs has increased dramatically during the last few years because of the internet. This has led Many more people to attempt an OBE. Which has led Many more people to consciously have an OBE. There are also Many more methods and techniques (some good, some not so effective) of inducing an OBE.
All this means that the amount of knowledge has dramatically increased. And most of this is good practical knowledge.
OBE is still Not a part of the mainstream of modern society. It is still on the fringe of everyday life. But it has become more popular and continues to grow, thanx, in large part to websites like AstralPulse.

Grey

Slipknot
You asked

does everything have to be like the physical world to be a real astral projection?

No, it does not. Many times there are small inconsistencies in familiar locations that are seen while out of body. It is very common to see something different during an OBE. Usually the changes are rather unimportant - like an extra piece of furniture or a room painted a different color. So don't be confused the next time you are out of body and see something that should not be there.

Grey

Rozzy
What you experience is known as clairvoyance (farsight) and is practiced by many mediums and psychics.
Another term is called Remote Viewing (RV for short). RV is a more organized and scientific activity. The practice of RV is taught on several websites (though many sites charge a fee). However you can read about RV and download alot of info for free.

Grey

jc87

How long have you been practicing OBE induction and breath control?
The reason I ask is that most people do not have an OBE for at least several weeks, or even several months, after getting started. It took me about 4 or 5 months to have the first OBE.
A lot of people lose patience and give up after a couple of weeks. And that's too bad because most of the people who quit Would have had an OBE if they had continued trying.
Try not to be impatient. The OBE will happen, it just may take a few weeks.

Grey

From the report that you posted it Does appear that you had a genuine OBE.
However, nobody except you can really be sure.
Perhaps if you experience more OBEs then you will be able to definately determine if this experience was an OBE or a dream.
In any case it appears that you are 'on the right track' and Will have more OBEs.
Keep trying.

Grey

NinjaOptix

I understand where you're coming from. I have felt that way some times. Other times it seems that I just don't practice enough OBE induction and meditation to get results.
Do you practice any OBE induction techniques? Or do any meditation? It could be that you are very near to some dramatic success and an interesting OBE or OBEs are in the near future but you need to do something to help this occur.
The suppression that you feel might be an inability to talk about OBEs and related subjects with family and friends. Negative feelings and skeptical attitudes by people close to you Can have a negative effect on your ability to project.

Anyway good luck on future OBEs.

Grey

The very first OBE that a person experiences often cause alot of confusion. Some people even report that the shock of seeing their physical body lying asleep in bed forces them back into the physical and ends their OBE.
So don't be upset about that first OBE. As you found out during your second OBE it was much easier to adapt to the situation. Any further OBEs will probably be more pleasant and enjoyable.


Grey

Appolon

From your description of the OBE it appears that you visited a Belief System Territory. The (discarnate) inhabitants of that BST were engaged either in some form of celebration or festival Or they were practicing some sort of unusual rite or ceremony.

Either way it sounded like a Very interesting OBE.

Grey

[IF]

Quote from Zorgblar

I heard that after you die you have the choice of letting your spirit fade out of existence.Is this true?   

What a very strange, and even absurd, notion. I have never heard of this before and an curious as to where you heard this Zorgblar??

This is counterintuitive to what I would believe to be true. IF a soul can cease to exist ---and there is a great amount of debate about this --- then certainly Apathy should not be the cause. Anyway I cannot image anybody becoming so bored with existence as to wanting to cease to exist. Hope not anyway.



Grey

[AND become lucid in the dream]

Here is an idea that you might try.

Continually remind yourself while awake of the intention to draw either a pentacle or a magick circle in a dream. If you can remember that intention the next time that you dream AND become lucid in the dream then you may use that symbol as a portal to induce/begin a deliberate out of body experience.
Many people lucid dream yet relatively few attempt to go out of body during an LD. A pentacle or magick circle can be an effective portal for entering an astral or ethereal (RTZ) realm during a lucid dream.
Personally I have begun several OBEs from a dream. This method could be both practical and simple.


Grey

Venus
The ability to travel to a specific location while out of body is actually a skill which surprisingly Few people have mastered. Though that ability does not seem too difficult it actually proves very tricky for most people. So don't be put off by one failure.
Like most aspects of the out of body phenomenon this ability can be learned with the resquisite amount of practice and intention.
Even if you don't end up where you intend to be at least you'll be somewhere other than your immediate familiar surroundings. And that is more than most manage during their OBEs.

Grey

[have read]

akashicpulse

It may be that the girl you met in your dream was having an OBE. It is possible that she tried to get you to go out of body as well. Unfortunately you apparently missed the chance to become lucid and go OOB.
Though this may sound wild I have read accounts of people being helped out of their body by another who is already OOB. Sometimes the helper is a friend (or relative) and other times the helper is a spirit guide.

Grey   

[Does Appear]

Blazewind
From the description of the experience that was posted it Does Appear that it Was an OBE. The account seems similiar to reports from people who have their very first OBE and are unsure what is happening to them.
The connection of your experience and recent OBE induction practices does seem rather obvious. Your (subconscious) intention to project was finally acted upon during sleep and resulted in the (confusing) OBE.

Grey

jub jub
Apparently it doesn't Really matter if you fly over a familiar, local landscape or an unfamiliar area. What does matter is that you Can Fly while Out of Body. So whatever works for you is what is important.
Personally I usually end up flying about my local neighborhood. Then, sometimes if I am lucky, I will suddenly find myself in a more exotic location.


Grey