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Yes your astral body is not bound to the same laws, such as gravity, as your physical body is. You can do all kinds of things in the astral that you cannot do on the physical.

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AP/OBE can be like riding a bicycle. You have to find a balance to be able to do it, only this is a mental and emotional balance.

The key is to shift your awareness from the physical to the astral (or wherever you want to go). I am not sure how to explain this well. Try not to think about your body, try not to feel for it. Many times when I first started I would get out, feel overwhelmed and instinctly "feel" for my body. I am not sure if that makes sense but I do not know how else to describe it. You have to learn to remain calm and passive. When out, especially at first you can feel overwhelmed and vulnerable, though really you are not. If you cannot remain calm I think you instinctly "feel" for you body. You must learn not to do that and remain calm.

It sounds like you were close to OBE or AP. That is a technique I have used with some success. I would lay down and let my mind drift a little and as soon as I felt it drifting off to sleep I would snap it back awake. If you can do this and not fall asleep it seems to work pretty well. After a few times of jerking myself awake, my mind only, I seem to be able to jerk myself out of my body so to speak.

It sounds like you are there to me. Have you tried moving out of your body? Like willing yourself away? Try moving, not your physical body, next time you get to this point.

I am a little confused, are you saying she was laying down talking to this guy about the dream and then noticed that she was above her body watching herself talk to this guy? If so yes it sounds like one. It sounds like her consciousness shifted to another one of her bodies.

It can also take time. Don't expect to do it on your first try. Some do, but most do not. Do not be afraid to experiment. See what works best for you.

Here is a good place to start, kibeginnersnightmare http://www.astralpulse.com/guides/oobe/Treatise.PDF

Reading the other posts throughout this forum will help you alot too.

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what is ap?

Astral Projection, which is moving your consciousness to the astral plane.

quote:have any tips on keeping my mind from wandering?

Practice, practice, practice. That is really the main thing. Practice all the time. When you are just sitting around doing nothing try to keep your mind clear. Concentrating on your breathing can help. Try to pay attention to what you are doing and your surroundings during the day and not let your mind wonder off. It takes time but as long as you keep trying it will get easier.

Have you read any of the information on www.astralpulse.com or Astral Dynamics? There is some good information in both which can give you a lot of details you may be searching for. And asking is a great way too. []

Welcome to the forums darkangel13. Interesting experience. Is your boyfriend interesting in OBEs as well? Could be interesting to get him to share in the experience with you. []

Interesting idea darkangel13. Kind of like are the cells in our body aware they are part of something bigger? So to us, maybe we are working away contributing to something bigger than us yet we have no idea.

As mentioned pain is not the goal. You are striving for awareness and it sounds like you are on track. The tickling feeling is what you should be feeling. Pain means that a certain area is blocked or not very well developed. Take your time and keep working with it. Hopefully you will not expereince any pain.

The number of posts you have really does not matter. I see some people that have a lot of posts and stars, yet their posts contain little help or logic. Let your posts have quality and you will be respected.

Edit: Proofreading is your friend. haha

It sounds like you are pretty close. Next time you get that sitting up but not feeling try to either will yourself to stand up or just float up away from your body, and try not to think or feel for your physical body. Also when you get the 3D blackness try surrounding your self in it. See yourself out in it, or will yourself out into it.

I have never been to the records area, but I have heard that they are not very clear. What you see can be hard to understand the true meaning. So being able to go to the astral, and the records area, is not enough. It requires one to be very skilled at understanding what is seen there and I do not know many that can do that. You still bring up a good idea and might be somethnig to strive for.

Sinestro, I do not have a problem with you believing that OBEs are real or not. In fact I like it when someone has a different view and can present good points to actually make me think. The problem that has stirred up the forum is you telling everyone that OBE's are not real and being disrespectful of those of us who think they are. It is fine to present your ideas and facts to back them up, but making comments such as me being 25 and still believing in OBEs as if I am believing in Santa Clause or something is disrespectful. If you will read the posts on this forum you will see that our ideas on OBEs are not based on faith alone but that we use reason in our search for what is real. You seem to disreguard our ideas and reasoning simply because they do not fall in line with your ideas. You do not have to agree with any of us, just give us a little respect.

quote:Yes fallnangel177 I don't understand, why should it be that you have to beleive in something in order for it to work?

Belief is required in part for you to be able to have an OBE. In order to willfully project it requires you to train yourself to be able to perceive other planes. Now you do not have to have some blinding faith that OBEs are real, you just have to believe that they are possible and that you can do it. I think that I have miss read what you believe though. You believe that they do exist, just that they are in your mind. Thinking about it, I will say that you do not have to believe that OBEs take place outside of the body, but only that they do occur and that you can do it. You do not have to have any belief at all for an OBE to occur. They can happen naturally without any effort at times. But to do it at will does require you to will yourself to do it which requires one to belief that they are atleast possible. But with an solid belief that OBEs are not real it might cause you difficulty in doing it. It might serve you best not so much to belief that they are real but be more open to the possibility that they could be real.

Out of respect for smilecollecter and for the sake of staying on topic lets move the OBE is real or not discussion to Sinestro's topic where it is more on topic.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5756

You do not have to raise your energy or do any NEW energy work in order to have an OBE/AP. It does help, probably a lot. If nothing else it helps you get use to the energy sensations and feeling for nonphysical things, such as your other bodies beyond the physical. I suggest you do energy work. It does not have to be much but a little will help.

Keeping your eyes shut is probably best, but I have heard of a method where you keep them open and focus your attention on something across the room. I think you enter a trance state and after awhile you find yourself outside your body close to the object you are focused on. Not sure about this as I have never really used it. But I suggest you go with what you feel comfortable with. Do not be afraid to experiment and try new things to see what works best for you.

You really do not want to think about your physical body but shift your awareness away from it. Any thoughts about it, even trying to imagine that you don't have one will make you think about it, can keep you in the physical. Try to just shift your awareness away from the physical.

The astral can be pretty much what you make of it. It can be like the physical or it can be formless or totally different. Try not to be afraid or surprised by anything you might experience. Try to remain calm and passive at all times.

If you are interested in Ki please move to the Energy Development section so we can keep this post on topic. Thank you.

Sinestro, I do not understand what you mean. Are you talking about people going to places on Earth they have not visited in person before? Using your logic, that OBEs are not real, then it would be purely fantasy. Seeing OBEs as real then it makes perfect sense. You can go anywhere.

And Sinestro, you are the one that does not seem to get it. One of the main requirements to willfully project is to believe it is possible. Unless you accept it is possible then you may never have an OBE. What you also do not get is that a lot of people have found proof that OBEs are real. They understand what you can and cannot do, and found the proof anyway. If you want proof you must understand OBEs and be realistic in the proof you seek.

This is pretty common. Most likely what you are feeling is your energy. It can feel rather strong when in a trance state, especially if you are close to having an OBE.

Sinestro, how can you make such a judgement when you have not even had an OBE? You are well entitled to your opinion, but I suggest you be open to all possibilities. Just because someone in the astral cannot talk to someone on the physical does not mean that it is not real. You can talk and interact with others in the astral. Sometimes you will find the nonlucid and sometimes not. Sometimes you may be alone. I suggest you experience this before you make such harsh judgements, especially against those that have had the experience.

OBE is short for Out of Body Experience.

I am not sure what you mean by Ki moves, though I have an idea. Check out NEW which will teach you to work with your body energy (Ki, Chi, etc). http://www.astralpulse.com/guides/new/new.htm

I must agree. This is a great book. I am currently reading it. I was not sure about it at first, but having read some of it I would suggest it to anyone. I find it is not only very informative and helpful but a pleasure to read. It is not technical but written so anyone can understand the concepts. It is just a great read.

You cannot get kicked out of the astral plane. There are no astral police that make sure you are following any certain rules. Being immoral or mean can have effects on you though, but this is true no matter what plane you are on. Have fun!

I see. Well if she is open to seeing how safe it is, or even if not, direct her to these forums. I think if she sees that there are people that do it a lot and are fine then she may feel better about it. Really she has a more likely chance of dieing on her way to work or doing any every day thing than being locked out of her body. I can understand her lack of desire to pursue exploring other realms if her interests are on the physical. But she should not be afraid when it happens on its own, for who is she to say where her lessons may need to take place or where she may be needed.