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[Any experience you have in a reality which you consciously identify as not being this physical reality is a "projection"]

I believed that LD was always internet, and AP always a projection into the 'outer astral realm'. One dream yoga teaching keeps saying that since our body is lifting out of the physical in sleep a bit, the dream world and lucid dreaming is in the astral. I could see it being in the same density of physicality, but internal rather than astral.

A small differentiation, but a big impact, Thoughts?

I drop all of those labels... and I make it very easy.

Any experience you have in a reality which you consciously identify as not being this physical reality is a "projection" (you don't need to qualify it with "lucid", "astral" or anything else...).

And when you get right down to the nitty gritty, even this physical reality experience you're currently having right this very second... is a projection.

I actually read about someone that got the winning numbers through AP, but said beforehand that they wouldn't use it to buy a ticket and they actually got the right numbers. Apparently your higher self doesn't give that kind of info for ego purposes. Though I suppose that one could in good conscious get the numbers and if they have nothing but good in their intentions get the numbers and use it to spread the word that astral projection is practical would be able to get the numbers. It could certainly be used to help bring people into a more spiritual.

Tom Campbell had shared stories like this.
He used to say that he would project to get the numbers... any set of numbers that he received and DID NOT play ended up winning.  Any set of numbers that he received and DID play, ended up NOT winning.
The claim here is that your subconscious won't allow you to skirt the system and it knows the difference between you wanting to "just see" the numbers and wanting to use the numbers you see for your own personal gain.

Intent.

I'm in Canada, but I think I'm gonna at least try to buy a ticket.  Apparently, living in the US isn't required in order to play. 
But no, I don't plan on projecting to learn the numbers.  LoL

Again, I don't think there is that much of a difference.

I'm not sure I can say this without sounding like an donkey's behind LoL, so please forgive me... but, that's because you simply don't understand.
It's the difference between ACTING good and BEING good.  But meh, in the sense of as long as you're doing good, it doesn't really matter THAT much.

One is done as part of the journey, and one is done after the journey has been completed (for the most part).

I want to know more about this other physical like reality you were at. Were you able to make things appear and disappear? Or any other supernatural type things? Do you believe that you were in this physical dimension or some place like this physical dimension but probably not this dimension?

Let me see, I've had roughly a dozen or more separate projection experiences where I've "compared" the reality I was experiencing to what I know about the physical reality.  Mostly tests using my five senses.  Taste, touch, sight, hearing, and smelling the environment around me.  They all pass as being "100% physical" in comparison.  It's probably worth noting that they were all "Earth-type" realities, but I feel that's more because of my logical nature than anything else.  That's how I perceive and interpret my experiences.

I can extrapolate from them that any experience I have had where I DON'T test is probably the same.

The other things you list above are meaningless secondary properties of an experience.

Honestly, what I can tell you is that I recognized I was experiencing a reality which wasn't this physical reality.  That's all I can tell you about "where" I was.

BTW I am not questioning too much that it's possible that one can materialize in this physical dimension since I've heard it can be done with what I believe to be pretty credible people, like Howard Storm talked about his experience with a materialized of an angel/higher being of some sort in his book. But I generally view it as something that only very highly evolved spiritual beings can do.

Thoughts?

I question what people call the "RTZ" all the time.  It's not logical to me that it exists as objectively as most people seem to think it does.
Once you have an experience like that and even the most basic "reality fluctuation" happens... it throws the entire experience into debate.

I find that hard to believe since there would be quite more materializations of beings from other planets here on earth that end up just disappearing. How do you explain that?

There are.  Most people simply don't realize it.  Where do you think Crop Circles come from?
Remember, MOST people experiencing this reality think it's material and physical... MOST people shy away from any data which goes against that notion because they, quite simply, can't handle it. 
It's called Cognitive Dissonance.  The thought of this reality NOT being what most people WANT it to be causes so much pain and suffering that most people will do whatever they can to avoid the alternative.

I mean, look at the very response you JUST typed out.  You awareness is trying to hold onto your "physical" paradigm extremely strongly.  You posit that it's "hard to believe", then you give some random reason for why it's "hard to believe" in an attempt to reinforce within yourself that this reality REALLY IS as physical and real as you want to believe it is.

I've embraced it.  It's not all that scary when you're looking at it from the other side.
The evidence for all of this is all around us... stop tuning it out.

Now, yes, this physical reality is much more "stable" than any dream/projection you might have.
That's due to the sheer number of consciousnesses experiencing and creating within this reality.

You make a good point, though let me ask what's the differences between this physical reality and this other astral like reality?

Nothing. This physical reality *IS* just another (for lack of a better word) "astral" reality.

I don't really understand what feels so wrong to you about it. Every selfless act is motivated by something. Even when you do not directly feel elated, you kind of know it is the right thing to do and that makes you do it, because you then feel at least better if not good. If it was not that way, it would make no sense for anyone to do it. I am really not disturbed by that. Quite on the contrary. Imagine you did something really selfless and didn't feel anything after doing so. Would that not feel kind of hollow. So I do not see a motiviation fueling every single act of ours as a bad thing. That is, if the benefit you get out of it is mutual. Everyone is happy, so what is the matter.

There's a big difference between a "selfless act" done to feel good and a "selfless act" done because it's the right thing to do.

You can usually tell within yourself which you're doing... generally speaking, if you have to THINK about the good act before you do it (in ANY capacity), then it's generally the former.  If you DON'T think, you simply act, then it's the latter.  Don't get me wrong though, as long as the Intent is positive, there is always room for spiritual growth.  For the most part, we all have to ACT nice before BEING nice becomes the norm for us.

Or as you put it... not feeling anything after doing something good is probably the ultimate act of selflessness.  The kicker being just that... it's the act of simply allowing everything to be as it is.

But in the end, there is a big difference between the two acts you and I mention above. 

Furthermore, I see the term "unconditional love" as you define it as kind of a nonsense. Love has to feel good, it just doesn't make sense to me for it not to. You might disagree that you can actually feel a lot of pain yourself by selflessly sacrificing your personal aganda to help someoone else. But I could say that the pain you are feeling might actually be about giving up the material values or your greed and, in bigger picture, also about personal development and the good feeling of doing something for others (and therefore yourself, if you go with the theory that we are all just one). So no, sorry, but that kind of love does not exist in my opinion and I don't see why I shouldn't be okay with that.

As most people do, you're confusing the emotion "love" with what people call "Unconditional Love".  They're NOT the same thing.  Unconditional Love has nothing to do with the emotion and has to do more with accepting "what is".  It's a language barrier issue more than anything else.

Try to prove me wrong, I am seriously intersted if you can come up with something that contradicts what I said above

There's no need.  It's all opinion and perspective anyway.  You choose to take it on or you choose not to. 
Whatever YOU choose to do is meaningless as it doesn't effect me at all... it only effects YOU. 

I always say that enlightenment is kind of like being "cool" in high school...
If you have to tell people you're enlightened, then you're probably not. 

[There's only perception / point of view]

What's your definitions for and the difference between perception and point of view?

Sorry, that should probably be "There's only perception / point of view"... as I view them, in this context, as the same thing.

An example is when you test how "physical" a supposed "non-physical reality" is.  When you're experiencing it, it's every bit as physical as this physical reality is.  Yet, while you're there experiencing it, this physical reality then feels like a non-physical reality.  It's all in relative to where you are and what you're experiencing... or: perception / point of view. 

I have found what I believe to be a plausible link between the physical the non-physical NP.

The link is that they're one in the same.  There is no such thing as "physical" or "non-physical".  There's only perception and point of view.

If you haven't watched the movie "DMT The Spirit Molecule" check it out, then we can have a talk about the relationship between the physical and the NP. I know Xanth said he watched it one time. He even recommended it at the time, probably still does.

I have, and I do!  It's a great documentary! 

Who can you trust?  It's simple really: Nobody.

Don't confuse the map for the territory. 

Positive, all you can TRULY say is that you "saw something".
It's a stretch, in my opinion, to say it *WAS* a "shadow person". 
You've already primed your mind at this point... interpretation is everything.

Have you ever saw, for example, a pile of debris from a distance and thought it was something else?  Then you walked up closer to it and realized it was just debris?

This is the same thing.  Except, you didn't get that chance to "investigate closer".

Okey it's methaphor but as same time it's an acutal action no? so if someone can describe this action there is a meaning behind mehtaphor so i want to understand the meaning of Seeing,hearing e.t.c with third-eye

There are no actual actions.  There's nothing objective about you or this physical reality.

Take your hand and hold it up to your face... now stare at your hand.
Now, if I said that your experience of seeing your hand is a metaphor... would you understand what I meant? 

You're stuck (like most people are really...) thinking "physically".  People look at the world around them and think it's real... that it really objectively exists. 
As long as you're stuck in that paradigm, you'll have a really hard time with moving beyond it. 

The funny part is that, most people think that stuff like the "third eye" is some kind of spiritual things... but even thinking there's a "third eye" is still being stuck in the physical paradigm.

Came out.  On Netflix too, no less.

Please, for the love of all things holy, DO NOT watch that "movie". 
Well, I mean... watch it, but ONLY for entertainment purposes only. 

If you're hoping to learn something from it, you'll be extremely disappointed... and if you BELIEVE any of it, you're only going to scare the ever loving crap out of yourself.

DO NOT WATCH THAT MOVIE.  Bad movie is bad.

I'll just say this one thing... EVERYTHING is a metaphor.  EVERYTHING.

Thanks for that.   That is good to know.   Unfortunately I hurt my ankle so my exercising is on hold.   When it is better I am going to try it.   I am looking forward to it.

There are plenty of exercises you can do without an ankle.   

Just sayin...  hehe

["To each their own"]

I think you should further explore, within yourself (no need to post here, it might take a long while), why those issues seem to bother you so. 
Even if they were true, those concepts don't bother me one bit.

In the end, I think the statement "To each their own" sums all of this up nicely. 

If u look at this life like coded world i mean virtual matrix it's one of the theories but u know i think u must find balance just saying it's virtual and just don't care about physical with his logic people can go to suicide or ruining their lifes maybe u find these funny but i beleive that one word can change whole life view of person i have seen many let say so "spiritual people" in spiritual i mean who are on this path in other way we are all spiritual they don't joke anymore no sarcasm no things which may give them pleasure they think it's unspiritual i mean people are going on wrong ways sometimes when they are trying to come on spiritual stuff one i call them spiritual fanatics being spiritual doesn't mean not enjoying physical life lol

No no, you misunderstand.  Saying that this reality is "virtual" doesn't mean you don't care about what goes on here.  Otherwise, there's no point in actually living!

Everything you said is 100% correct.  Viewing this reality as "virtual" doesn't mean you don't care about what goes on here... it's simply a perspective on the understanding of the nature of this reality.  If anything, it simply means to not be "too attached" to anything physical here, because it'll eventually NOT be here... including each and every one of us. 

Here is a post I made on my website... it's a video by Adyashanti explaining the "myths" of enlightenment/awakening.  Feel free to pass it along to whomever you think needs it. 
http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/2014/02/13/adyashanti-myths-of-enlightenment-awakening/

Wow. Surprising

Also, through facebook, I've been able to meet and speak with a lot of the big authors as well. 
It's been fascinating being able to pick their brains from time to time.

People like Bob Peterson, Jurgen Ziewe, John Magnus... and a lot of the spiritual / research community as well, Anthony Peake, Tom Campbell, Peter Russell... those are just a few I can think of off the top of my head.

Look me up on facebook, I can share some of the groups with ya if you want. 

Hi all, I was reading an ap book and it said, if you exercise vigorously for about an hour in the middle of the day, it will be easier to ap.   Do you think this is correct.

After a good run or a good workout, I usually feel much more relaxed.  That relaxation really helps in regards to meditation.  It would be easier to project from that state, yes.

Thanks for answer ok i got about these 2
i want also ask about "Virtuality" you say that this body and physical life is virtual what you mean? ok if we aren't soul / Consciousness in a body so where our Consciousness is xD i want to clear the quesiton so you will understand like is Consciousness is a soul or where it is if it's me then what's my physical body if my physical body is virtual what u mean in this virtuality

Tom Campbell uses the video game metaphor to explain this, and I think it works best.

A Video Game is essentially just hundreds of thousands (potentially millions or billions even) of lines of code written by a programmer, but even more basic... those lines of code and all the graphics and everything are simply 1's and 0's on a hard drive.  There's no objective substance to any of it. 

What you see on your screen when you play a video game is a virtual representation (a rendering) of the data which "describes" the game.  This describes this physical reality perfectly.  What you see when you look around physically is simply a rendering of the 'data' being provided to you.  That's what is meant when they say that this physical reality is "virtual".

Any reality which you experience in this manner, as such, is virtual in its nature.

I'll give room that I may understand his "theory", but the short answer is because, according to him, my individual point of awareness is being used as a means to an end for the greater consciousness. Continually being recycled until I "get" what I am supposed to. Love is not a grand idea, but simply the most efficient way to lower entropy. All this for what? So finally my consciousness packet can just be reabsorbed or snuffed out entirely if I don't cooperate? I guess I'm not seeing the wonder in that.

I probably would have chosen different words and described it slightly different, but yeah, in a nutshell, that's about right.

What do you "want" to happen then? 

I'm not sure myself as to how I view this reality. I would like to think of it as part/the beginning of a grand (infinite?) journey of evolution of consciousness. I realize at some point the ego and sense of self must go, some find some of that here in the physical. But to have no choice, to be duped, to be used; no, thats not my ideal of reality.

But that's exactly what it is.  Your existence here *IS* part of a grand journey of the evolution of consciousness.

I see your confusion.  Tom isn't saying that you get duped or tricked into having these physical lives.  Through his perspective, you chose to come here.  This physical reality (and other realities like it) seem to be a "fast-track" for spiritual growth.  Yes, you can completely screw that up and end up, through your decisions, regressing spiritually... it happens.  But, on the whole, this reality provides the best and most direct way to spiritually grow.  How?  It happens through your interactions with other consciousnesses through a confined ruleset provided here.  You make a decision (either a love based or fear based choice) and see an outcome, then you have to live with that outcome based upon the decision you made.  THAT is your grand journey of the evolution of consciousness in action!  Live and in your face! 

But yeah, I don't believe for a second we're forced to experience anything.  I think you just have a small misunderstanding of Tom's MBT.   

So what's about people seeing their body or about this Silver cord connected to your body?

Seeing your own body while "out" is part of the belief that you are IN a body to begin with... this could be a conscious belief or a subconscious one.

The silver cord is a belief construct as well... it is, like everything else, a metaphor for feeling safe and secure in an unknown.