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Hello Sublime,
Nice work without having done any studying on the subject. But really it is that simple, it is just energy work. I suggest you read the posts and find a good source on this to learn a little more about it to help you along. I also suggest both you and your girlfriend learning about it together, if she is interested, because when done together it can make your relationship much better and feel closer.

Have you read Astral Dynamics or any of the info on the site? I think we need a little info into what you know and have been doing so we can help you a little better. []

I am not entirely sure what you mean. I have read many accounts of people projecting into gloomy undesirable places that they refer to as the lower planes/realms. Is this what you mean?

To me it sounds like your friend is afraid of physical death. Maybe she needs to realize that we exist and continue to exist beyond physical death on other planes. So what if your physical body dies while you are out of body? We all die a physical death at some point in time and who is to say when that time is to come. The thing is we go on to other planes. By having OBEs she is only becoming more familar with what life may be like after she physically dies. I would think that the experiences would help her to realize this, but if she is afraid of it, the fear may be blinding her to this. So as others have said, you cannot force her to accept it until she is willing to do so.

If the music is not distracting and it calms and soothes you then I think you should atleast try it. If I am not mistaken drums were used in more distant cultures for meditating and achieving a trance state.

quote:I'm afraid the west has somewhat captured and moved the Tantric philosophy. Us westerns love our sex so we've somewhat modified Tantric Yoga, right? Haven't you heard of Western Tantric Yoga? Almost every Kundalini book I look at in the bookstore has some Lady sitting on top of a Dude! Who wouldn't be attracted to that?

I do have to agree with you on this. I bet that if you walk out on to the street and ask anyone what Tantra is most will give you an answer about sex. Let's face it, sex sells so companies exploit it.

This on one hand can be good, atleast to me from personal experience if the book is good. I will be honest, I picked up a book about sex not knowing what it was really all about at the time other than sex. I find out it is about the Taoist Sexual practice. It is because of this book that I learned about Chi and energy work. I became much more comfortable with myself and felt more balanced because of it. I have always had a rather strong sex drive and this gave me a way to direct that energy instead of expelling it. Luckily for me the book I picked up was not just about going all night long.[] So maybe there are many more out there who have been introduced to energy work and other such subjects who other wise would not have if not for a book about sex, or what they though was just about sex.

quote:BTW, haven't you heard the saying "Have your cake and eat it"

Hehe yes I have heard it before but I really don't get it. I mean why else would you want to have your cake if not to eat it? For me I have discovered that I can have my sex as well as energy and spiritual development. But I guess this is an issue that we will just have to agree to disagree on. []

Your posts tend to be different, but that makes things interesting. Though not everyone understands or likes different. I say, be yourself.

I do not know about throwing Ki balls around and such, but I assume if it is possible it still requires that you first develop the basic foundation of energy which can be found in the link. It may seem a bit tedious at first, but all the steps are not necessary after you develop.

If you feel it is of benefit to yourself then by all means go for it.

At first, when you become lucid/conscious in a dream or OBE do not stay out too long. Keep your experience short. Stay out for only a few seconds the first few times then expand to minutes and longer as you become more experienced. You will remember shorter expereinces easier in the beginning. It is better to remember a short experience well than not remember a long one at all.

Also do some energy work before you try to project or go to sleep. This seems to help as well.

Why can't people pick and choose from different religions and ideas to find what suites them best and helps them to grow? Why does someone have to take a religion as a whole or nothing at all? You do realize that this is what was done to give the Christains the Bible they have today. It was not just written in one sitting by one person or a group. It did not just fall out of the sky from some great being. It is a collection of writings that were written over a coarse of centuries. There were many more than what is in the Bible of today, so some people had to decide what goes and what stays, or in other words picking and choosing what suited them best.

What do you mean by spirit energy? Is this another one of those things about throwing around balls of fire, energy, etc.?

If you want to learn about how to use and develop your energy body look here http://www.astralpulse.com/guides/new/new.htm

quote:First of all to manipulate another person's energy will be the most difficult thing ever possible.

Not really. That is what healers do, manipulate another's energy. Now if the person had knowledge of such things, then yes it probably would be difficult but otherwise I doubt it. Though I have not tried.

Does it really bother you that there might not be a place such that you describe? Would you really wish anyone to spend an eternity in such a place? Would it bother you if I do not go to this hell of yours if I do not worship a god or Jesus?

Learn to project and see for yourself. Don't take other people's word for it. [] Anyway, does it really matter what you look like on the astral?

quote:Why ejaculate then? Because it feels good, right? And why does it feel good? Probably for the same reason that astral sex feels unbelievably great, because of the energy going through the Chakras. Where does that energy come from? See my point. I personally think that sex for fun is no more natural than obesity.

Ejaculation and orgasm are two different things. Today most people are lead to believe that they are the same thing, when infact they are not. In our fumbling during puberty they usually occured at the same time so we came to the conclusion that they are the same thing. I assure you they are not. There are also different kinds of orgasm that are not localized to the genitals. Yes the energy flow feels good, better then the genital physical orgasms most are use to. What exactly is your point, as I fail to see it, unless you are saying that you can have orgasm without physical sex.

quote:Sorry but this western Tantric stuff really seems unspiritual to me. It's like we want our cake and eat it at the same time.

What is the point of having cake if not to eat it? Tantric and Taoism are not Western. These practices were developed thousands of years ago in the East. Taoism is from China. I am not sure about Tantric as I have not studied it. In Taoism, sex is an important part of having a healthy life. When one does not have a partner, working with sex and its energies is still important. Hence if you choose not to have sex it is still important to work with the energy to remain balanced and healthy.

To each their own. I think this is really dangerous though if they are drinking the blood of strangers. Just think of all the viruses and diseases they could get from this. Probably worse than unprotected sex with someone you don't know.

Even if this is possible, does it mean that we should do it? To me it does not seem to have any practical purpose other than showing off. I do not see how this would be a good self defense technique other than to maybe scare off any attackers. Maybe you can throw a fire ball at someone, what if you miss? How much energy does this drain from you? Can you create another one quickly? What if they are right in your face, will this be too close to use because it will hurt you as well? Just because you can do something does not mean that you should. If you are going to use energy as self defense I think it would be more useful to learn to manipulate another person's energy body so you can render them immobile and stop the attack without actually causing any damage to them.

pmlonline, I do not think that Roy is advising against sex because it wastes energy but advises against ejaculation because that is usually when energy is expelled from the body. Though I do not think that energy is lost through semen exactly, but more from the way we have learned to "have sex, or orgasm". We expell the energy when we ejaculate because when we were in puberty most of us did our thing with the intent to get it over with quickly so as not to get caught and with the intent to expel the urge for relief. After practicing this method for awhile I have ejaculated a few times and felt no energy loss. So I think it is possible to ejaculate without losing energy. But unless one is trying to reproduce then there is really no reason to ejaculate, for ejaculation and orgasm are two different things. If you are not expelling semen, then your body can absorb what is not used so nothing is being lost. I also believe that he is saying that reguardless of if you are having sex or celibate you still should work with your sexual energy and not ignore it. This can be done without any physical stimulation if you so choose.

Sex can be so spiritual, and bonding if with a partner, when one removes the "getting off" aspect of it and concentrates on the energies of it.

Lucid,
If you have been doing energy work the way Robert describes with his NEW method then you can basicly use it for sexual energy. Instead of pulling energy in through your feet and hands you just pull your sexual energy up out of the genital area, up your spine, over your head and down into the sub-navel storage area. For more details I am sure you can find a wealth of books on the subject at any bookstore or amazon.com. I am not familar with tantric but the Taoist practice, but I assume they are similar.

quote:OBE a way to escape, or a way of true self discovery?

I do not know about anyone else, but whenever I have OBEs I feel much more connected to myself. It is like my feelings, thoughts, and personality are much more in my face than on the physical plane. So you really are forced to deal with yourself even more on the astral and other planes than on the physical, whether people realize it or not. OBEs are a bad way to escape who you are.

If the sole purpose of one creating Ki balls is to hurt people, then I feel it is a waste. I did not read much of the website but from what little I did read that is the impression I got from it. I will admit that I did not give it a fair chance in doing so, but I did not feel their was much promise when they said they were wanting to get a team of fighters together. But I guess I would say that I feel it is a waste if one's only purpose in working with Ki is to throw balls at someone because it has many more, and helpful, uses. As for using it for defense, again I think it is a waste if that is the sole purpose unless you just live in a really dangerous area because how often does the average person actually have to defend themself in their life? I would say not many. If I were concerned with defense I would go with Lasher and start practicing martial arts because it will not only teach you self defense but also is good exercise and promotes good health, which is good if you never have to defend your self. If you never have to defend yourself, why waste time throwing energy away? That is my opinion and I am not saying that working with Ki or Ki balls is a waste in general.

As for the Dragonball Z stuff being real, well I have never seen it before so I lean to it not being real, atleast on the level that the shows present it. When something is shown as fantasy, I take it as fantasy. That does not mean there is anything wrong with someone testing it to be real. But I suggest one using caution when someone else takes something as popular and as fantastic as Dragonball Z and says they can do it.

Why would one wish to make balls of energy to only hurt people and promote violence? I just seems like a waste of energy to me personally.

Is Ki and Chi the same thing, just different spellings?

Well I do not know a lot about radio waves effecting the astral and OBEs and such. I have never heard of it doing so. I do not think you have much to worry about. There are radio, cellular, etc towers all over the place. These would concern me before a small thing like a radio fence would. We are already surrounded by radio waves and more, so I doubt this little fence is going to effect anything much. I say don't worry about it.

I agree with travelinbob.

I also wanted to add that I would suggest against doing any energy work while you are doing something such as riding a bike, driving a car, operating heavy machinery, etc atleast until it becomes automatic for you. Your attention should be on what you are doing at the time so you do not cause any accidents because while you are learning energy work it does take your attention away from your surroundings. So be safe. The best time to work with energy is at times when you do not need your full attention, such as when you are watching tv or when you are waiting (how much of our day is spend waiting on something or someone?).