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You may have experienced Both a dream and an OBE in the same night. That situation happens many times. The experience begins as a dream and then becomes a projection. When you floated inside your room then your experience was probably an OBE. It is difficult to judge because you seem to be somewhat confused as to what happened to you.

KosmoJ
The trance state borders on sleep. Most beginners who go into trance soon slip directly into sleep. [|)] It is a balancing act of being  able to maintain consciousness but not becoming too aware and mentally active on one side and not falling asleep on the other. There is no foolproof method for remaining in deep trance. Even the most experienced meditators sometimes fall asleep unintentionally. Continued practice of trance and meditation will allow you to stay in that borderland trance state much longer in the future[].

Sub Euph
Next time that you manage to go OOB try to get at least a few feet away from your physical body. Walk or float around your house or apartment to get used to the unique sensation of being OOB. If you feel adventurous then try to get outside and make an attempt at flight. [:O]
Yes it is possible to project from a lucid dream. One way to do this is to fly into your room while in the lucid dream. Then try to shift your consciousness from the dream to a point floating somewhere inside your room. If you can do this then you should be able to see from this point of view (and should also be able to see your physical body lying asleep). Then you will know that it is a projection and not a dream.

The US government Does use psychics to spy on foreign government. These psychics use Remote Viewing not OBEs. [:O]
The remote viewing program began at the CIA in the mid 1980s. It was known as Operation Stargate. Within the last few years the program has been transferred to the Defense Intelligence Agency and has been given another code name. Two well known remote viewers who worked in Stargate are Joseph McMoneagle and Ed Dames.

beavis
Normally I do not flame people for their political or religious beliefs. You, however, have crossed the line of common decency by stating that bin Laden and al-Qaeda were justified in their attacks on America.
I do not know WHAT YOUR PROBLEM IS! It is obvious that you are totally full of excrement. Keep your dirty opinions to yourself. Nobody wants to read your CRAP.
Consider this a WARNING. Next tiime I will not be so POLITE.

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"God does not play dice with the universe."
 Albert Einstein refering to quantum physics.

"Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few".
Winston Churchill paying homage to the RAF after the Battle of Britain.

'What a terrible thing it is to lose one's mind".
(Then) Vice-President Dan Quayle misquoting the United Negro College Fund slogan of "A mind is a terrible thing to waste", while at a speaking engagement at a black college.

Great Story Ginny [8D]
Come to think it about such a place as you described does make sense as it helps newly 'passed' people become acquainted with their new situation and prepares them to 'move on' to other realms. Or provide a respite before they return (reincarnate) to earth[?]
Have you ever been to Mardi Gras? I suspect that you would be a natural and would fit right in either at New Orleans or Rio de Janeiro. [][)][8D][:X][8D]

Nay []
That's cool that you stayed with the experience even though it was difficult to move around.[8D] Actually crawling is not such a bad idea. I have had a few experiences where I was prevented from getting out of body because I could not move (ethereally or physically) so I'll have to try crawling next time.
BTW if you can stay out and away from your physical body a bit longer next time then you will be able to move about normally and probably float too.

Yeah, HaHa, what a riot!! [][]Low brow humor at its best. If the kid had been a bit smarter he might have pulled it off. [?] He should have had one of his brighter friends pretend to be his father. [] That is IF he does have any smart friends. [?][!][V] [:I][)][)]
BTW who does have the record for most posts in one month[?] My gues is either Frank or Squeek.

Quote by ShadowCatcher
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Does anyone else agree that the astral plane is simply a representation of the subconsious? <<<<<

Reply by Tisha
>>>>>> I rather think it's the other way around<<<<

Right on Tisha !! []
The astral plane(s) is Far more than just a person's subconscious. The fact that some people believe that Everything they see and do on the astral plane(s) is solely a product of their own mind shows just how little they actually know about the astral.
My personal belief is that the astral plane(s) is a higher dimension than the 4th dimension. The 4th dimension is the mind/consciousness/time extension of the 4 dimensional space-time holographic universe. The 4th dimension is the ethereal plane/RTZ/Local I.
So the astral plane(s) could be the 5th dimension. Or the 5th and 6th dimensions. Maybe the 8th dimension -If dimensions truly only exist as described in algebraic mathematical terms and all else is a product of individual perception[?] Anyways the point is that the astral plane(s) are currently above our ability to fully comprehend and can not be explained away as a product of personal subconscousness. [:O][8D]

Hi Pencil []
For what it's worth I believe that you did have an OBE that night in the hospital. Two OBEs in fact. The discarnate that you saw Could have been a negative entity. Or it could have been another person who was having an out of body experience or near death experience while in that hospital and was curious about you. Or it may have been a person who recently passed away while in the hospital = a ghost -    and was curious.
The combination of a stressful and emotional experience, such as giving birth, added to any drug that the staff may have administered to you, wcould have combined to produce an OBE.

No leaf clover -
your quote
>>>as far as being banned from the astral, the only thing that can ban you from the astral is dogma/your subconscious. its almost like an idea that was created to stop people from ap'ing if theyd been trying to do 'bad' things. there is nothing to ban you from the astral just as there is nothing that can really ban you from the physical. except maybe a gun or a knife or a heavy club or something.. a car operated by a drunk... but those things are different <<<<

My question is how do you KNOW there is no greater power that could ban a troublesome or violent person from an astral (or ethereal) plane[?] Apparently you do not believe in God or the concept of a Supreme Being[?]
While I respect anyone opinions and beliefs on this matter I hold to my personal experience. And that indicates that it is possible to enforce a ban in certain super-physical realms. [:O]

My interpretation is that both astral projection and ethereal projection Are OBEs. The term out of body experience covers a number a diferent types of projections including projections to the 'higher planes' such as the Mental, Buddhic and Atmic planes.

Maybe if you listed some of Kibegginers transgressions and offenses then it would be possible to make an informed rational decision. [?] Or better yet lobby with some of the moderators to get this person banned. [8] It sounds like this person is simply immature and prone to posting silly questions.  [] That does not seem to be too terrible so right now I would vote to 'give him/her (?) another chance. [^]

It might be possible to face down a dragon. Mighty unlikely but still possible. [:O]
There are been various reports of encounters with dragons in the astral planes (not ethereal planes) and many other creatures too. Why anyone would want to engage a creature as powerful as a dragon is another question.[?]
If a fight did take place and the person lost then that person would most likely be banished from that astral plane for a Very Long time. Maybe permanently. It's doubtful that the person would actually suffer any injuries, either physical or nonphysical. Maybe injuries Could be sustained as a result of an out of body encounter. I don't know for certain, it just seems highly unlikely. [B)]

T KMan0610
I have been thinking that mirrors Are gateways to other dimensions or planes. This has never happened to me. Yet several people have reported being teleported after going into or looking into a mirror during an OBE. [:O]
Some eastern mystics practice meditation by staring into a mirror because it supposedly allows the person to 'see' physical reality as only a superficial illusion. Then it is possible to get into contact with higher dimensions/planes which are more 'real' than 3 dimensions.
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What probably happened is your mother had a dream about talking to someone she knew named Bill. During the dream her astral/etheral body separated from her physical body and she had a full out of body experiecnce (ethereal projection). Then she became awrare that her dream had become an out of body experience and had a dual experience. A dual experience is when a person is aware of being in both their physical body And in their astral/ethereal body. She then would have likely become quite confused about what was happening and this confusion would have quickly ended her OBE.[]

There is at leat one instance (that I know of) where a spontaneous group OBE did occur. It took place during a severe forest fire in the American west a few years ago (sometime in the 1990's). A group of firefighters were trapped by flames and had to quickly get beneath their protective fireproof tarps. Miraculously all of them survived. One of those firfighters described an out of body experince where he hovered above the fire and looked down on his physical body and his fellow firefighters. He claimed to have seen the astral/ethereal bodies of most of those firefighters also floating nearby.  The other firefighters in the group reported the exact same experience.
Note- can't remember where I saw this report. It was probably on one of the various OBE forums on this or another website.

Chiron
You may be right because a new wardrobe would be nice. However, if I had the abiliy to wear the clothes of choice then I would have chosen a Napoleonic era uniform or maybe a fine suit made in London or New York. [8D] Howeverit was an ethereal projection so I was not able to manipulate reality to my liking.

Chances are that your experience was both a dream AND an OBE. It began with a dream and then turned to an OBE (ethereal projection). Yet the out of body was short and confusing and drifted back into the dream. Which is why you are not sure if it was one or the other. When it was likely one And the other.[]

This is a thought that I speculated on recently and is not a well thought out theory or concept. Anyway perhaps reality only exists in geometrical-algebraic dimensions. That would be 1, 2, 4, and 8 dimensions.
One dimension is linear algebra (a line).
Two dimesnions is complex algebra and a plane.
Four dimensions is quartenonic (sp) algebra and is the 4 D space-time contnuum Holographic Universe. This would be the ethereal (etheric) plane.
Eight dimension is octonian algebra. This would be the current concept of 'higher planes and dimensions and would be the astral plane.

In other words we do exist on the 2nd and 4th dimensions simultaneously. The 3rd dimension is a holographic representation of the information that our minds perceive.     ([?]) []

Ginny -
That was an amazing story. [:O] Thanx for the response. Keep up the good work. []

Many people have reported seeing their astral/ethereal body in a mirror or window during an OBE. It does not happen all the time but it is a common experience. It should be taken as a positive experience and something that helps to verify the OBE. This did happen to me, but only once. Oddly enough my astral/ethereal body was wearing dark colored clothes although I don't actually have any of those physical clothes[?]

Any loud music that is played will probably be too distracting. Obviously certain types of music are more appropriate than others. Rock and popular music are probably inappropriate. Also certain vocals and lyrics are most distracting. It takes a fine balance of conscious awareness that music is playing but a general disinterest in any particular aspect of that music.
This has been my experience anyway. Peoples tastes in music differ so what works for me may not work for you. So try different artists and styles of music.  [8D]

Regarding the possibility of projecting into a computer.
If the Holographic Universe and Information theory are correct then it might be possible to project into a computer during an OBE and access huge amounts of information that is stored in the computer's memory. Or it might be possible to project into a computer and learn about physical locations that are connected to that computer by the world wide web. I have no idea is any of this is possible yet it certainly provides some interesting possibilities. [:O]