Messages

Sinestro -
I agree with much of you arguement. The faith of many people who follow Christianity and various other religions can more accurately be described as Blind Faith. [8]
However, let me make a suggestive criticism of your posts. They were much too long. Probably very few people read them because of their long length. I find that it is better to summarize the ideas of an article or book chapter. Write only one or two paragraphs that highlight the main ideas of the article. Then provide a link to the whole article or book so people can read more if they want. That way you get the idea across in a short space without forcing people to read the entire, long article. []

A continuation of a list of energies for you to contemplate.

Prana - the Hindu energy associated with air. Gives it name to Pranayama  - breathing exercises.

Mana - Polynesian term for energy associated with water and used by Kahunas for healing and divination.

Ethereal energy - Ectoplasm. What ethereal beings and creatures are composed of.

Magickal energy. I'm not certain about this but am intrigued enough to include it in the list. Could include the power(s) used for and generated from magickal ceremony, natural magick (wicca) and charms and talismans.

My question to Ginny -
Have you ever verified any of your retrieval experiences by reading or seeing a (news) report about the physical information (names, adresses, situations) of the newly deceased people that you have helped while OOB[?]
Of course such information is not essential to what you are doing yet it would provide some form of encouragement.

Unfortunately that book is one of many books I have yet to read. My 'to read' booklist is quite lengthy.
Just to note that improvement 'on the road' to the first out of body experince is not necessarily a linear path. You may feel stagnant for a time and then, just overnight, achieve a significant breakthrough. Or, of course, have that full blown OBE.
Good Luck. []

Hi Amber -[]
It appears that you may be getting somewhat discouraged or frustrated. Yet try not to become impatient. Just stay at it. It may take a while longer. Keep trying and it will happen.
(I may have replied to one of your previous posts in this or another website and basically said the same thing. But it is worth repeating because too many people give up just as they are about to make a big breakthrough!!)

One helpful exercise to people that are new to the out of body experience is to record some of their nightly dreams in a personal journal. There are many benfits of doing this, especially becoming acquainted and familiar with a state of mind that is different from waking reality.
Keeping a dream journal also helps in becoming more aware of non-physical reality. Dreams are different than out of body experiences. Yet dreams can also led directly to OBEs. Or dreams can lead to lucid dreams (LDs) and LDs can directly lead to OBEs.
Good Luck.[8D]

I would suggest passively watching those hypnagogic visuals that form under the eyelids before sleep. The hypnagogic state is the half-awake and half-asleep state before (and after) proper sleep. Visuals begin and eventually become more complex to form stories that become sleep dreams. So try passively watching those random visuals. It will help you to remain mentally awake as your physical body falls asleep.
Good Luck []

Graupel -
in regards to your 2 questions I belive the answers are yes and yes.
It is actually easier to project from the natural half-awake half-asleep state than from an induced trance. That is also called the mind-awake and body asleep state and hypnagogic state.
Many people report projecting directly out of a lucid dream. I have done that several times. After thinking about lucid dreams then it becomes clear that LDs Are the Perfect mind-awake [] and body-asleep state [|)].

Windows are easy to go through. Relatively easy anyway. I can normally go through a window with little, if any, trouble. Not always because once in a while I get stuck but that is rare.
Walls are harder to go through. It usually takes some real effort to go through a wall. It is a mental exercise. If I lose concentration then I become stuck or bounce out of the wall.
Mirrors are the big [?] Some people claim that mirrors are a portal or gateway to another realm. I don't know. It is an interesting idea.

Yes, I have had several OBEs directly from a lucid dream. Rather than detail any projections here I will refer to greytraveller's journal at www.astralsociety.net
Though I can't remember which projections began as dreams you can read both projections and dreams (together) in the AS journals section.

Very cool! [8D] I get to be the first to Congratulate you travelinbob on your first OBE!
It appears that you had somewhat of an enviable first projection as it's nice to be fully conscious, clear and in control. Going out the second time in only a few minutes can be a big surprise. []

A classic Partial Projection !
Trace - you are very close to having the full out of body. Just keep trying. Stay calm when trying to separate. You will get out soon. Good luck.

goingslow -
If you are having trouble remembering your dreams and projections then I would suggest keeping a dream and OBE journal (if you do not already have one.) The habit of writing dreams and projections down on a regular basis greatly improves memory. Soon you will find it much easier to recall nearly all of those experiences instead of only remembering parts and segments.

n_e
Do your morning experiences include sleep paralysis? Sleep paralysis tends to numb the physical body. Perhaps you did not have full paralysis but were in a condition of near or partial physical paralysis.

Some researchers of human consciousness are beginning to talk about a 'universal field of consciousness'. One of the ideas associated with this field is that a person can tap into psychic powers and knowledge and become enlightened by getting 'in tune' with this universal consciousness field.
So here is another idea or theory to add to that -
Perhaps it is easier to get in contact with (part or all) of the universal field of consciusness by ethereally entering into a physical object of global communication. In other words - it would be possible to access many and diverse sources of information by projecting into a computer online with the world wide web[?][8D]

JoWo -
apparently I shortchanged you and other quantum  metaphysicists somewhat. It is refreshing to see that you do believe higher dimensions/planes have an objecctive existence apart from mathematical models and eqations.
BTW - I do find the possibilities of quantum mechanics to be fascinating. (Example - quantum entanglemnet, 'the spooky action at a distance' and the possibility of faster than light communication and teleportation.) What I find annoying is the tendency of most scientist to arbitrarily dismiss personal experiences. In this way OBE report are just like Sasquatch sightings. Even though thousands of people have reported both going OOB and having seen bigfoot this area is considered pseudo-science and is conveniently skirted by most mainstream scientists.

Try damiana and skullcap. Both are relaxants, both can be bought at just about any co-op or bulk herbal store and both can be made into a nice tea.
To make tea just buy a small cloth bag (they only cost a dollar or two) and put the herb into that bag. I always add a bit of cinamon for flavoring. Then let the cloth bag soak in a pot of very hot (but not boiling) water for 20 to 30 minutes. You can drink hot or warm or let sit in a refrigarator and serve cold (with lemon). It is possible to make up to one gallon of tea at a time. And there is no caffeine.

LapSiLap -
If your projections are short, unfocsed and confusing then you might want to focus on a specific intent before sleep. That intent could include visiting a person or place. That will provide motivation to leave your place of residence while out of body.

I would like to qualify this post by saying that I have never gone into a tv during an OBE. Yet it would seem to be possible to go inside a television and interact with a tv show or movie.
If the Holographic Universe (Matrix) theory is correct then All the information broadcast through a tv set would be contained in each and every individual part of that tv set. So a person could go into a tv during a projection and become involved in the plot of a broadcast show.
If it were true then it would still leave many questions. Such as could a person interact with shows that were being aired on stations not carried on that particular tv set[?] Would the experience be totally subjective - that is - limited to only the person who has the projection[?] Or would that projecting OBE'er be able to interact in some way (Communicating in the physical or ethereal/astral realms) with other people[?] Also could that person use the tv to project themselves to distant regions of this planet where news stories were being telecast live [?][?][?]

It does appear that the Astral Locale experiment is going nowhere. [V]
So far there have been no decisions made and no art work has been done.
However, there was another astral/ethereal meeting experiment on Astral Pulse about 2 or 3 months ago. That was the planned meetings at the Giza pyramids in Egypt on Saturday nights. It would be possible to continue that experiemnt. Or another meeting place could be suggested. (There was discussion about a planned ethereal meeting at Stonehenge on another website but that never took place.)

As far as I am aware there are 3 types of elementals.
First are the 'Classical' elementals of fire, air, water and earth. The belief in these elementals goes back to ancient Greece and they are still used in magickal ceremony today.
Second are the elemental nature spirits. Nature elementals were revered by many pagan religions including the Celts and druids.
The third category are thought elementals which are basically creations of thought (psi) energy.
BTW personally my encounters with elementals has been limited to one negative encounter. I believe that it was an encounter with some form of thought elementals.

Omega -
Nobody is quite sure why projections occur at certain times and do not happen during other times. I refer to spontaneous projections and not those OBEs that are deliberately induced.
Other than the fact that you were probably tired I can think of no other reason why you projected so quickly after sleep other than perhaps you had a strong subconscious desire to do so. []

Thanx for the response JoWo. Your answer had a refreshing combination of common sense backed by scientific method. Yet it leaves open the very real possibility that unseen realms/planes/dimensions Do exist.
Higher dimensions (higher than 3 dimensions that is) already Do exist for people who have had OBEs.
Higher dimensions exist as probabilities for quantum metaphysicists.
Yet higher dimensions exist only as mathematical constructs and working models for quantum physicists.
What I find frustrating is that a quantum physicist will not admit the (virtual) reality of higher diimensions although that same quantum physicist will use those same higher dimensions in mathematical equations to prove or disprove the various quantum theories.
The quantum metaphysicist is able to see beyond the limitations of the calculator and superstring theory and admit to a possibility of higher dimensions having an independant objective existence.
For most people who have had an OBE then scientific verification of objective higher dimensions would be Nice but is not absolutely essential. The ineffable nature of the OBE both verifies the validity of the experience And explains why science cannot (yet) directly or indirectly detect the existence of higher dimensions.

This has a connection to the Lost Hiker gedanken experiment. Consider the role of an observer. Consider the likely reactions of three different people who listen to the unfortunate hiker's tape recording. What would be the reaction (subjective bias?) of these 3 observers?

Observer 1 - the quantum physicist. He/she listens to the tape and concludes that there is only a mathematical probability of a falling tree making a noise. That probability is based on observation. Sound does not exist without observation. Because without observation ( = scientific measurement) sound is only a mathematical probability.
This follows the scientific method of measuring the state vector collapse of a photon. Without observation there is only a mathematical possibility of one of 2 states existing (either wave or particle).

Observer 2 - the quantum metaphysicist.. He/she hears the tape and appears to agree with the quantum physicist in that a falling tree making a sound is based on observation. However, to the quantum metaphysicist the objective reality of that sound is not necessarily dependant on whether that sound occured in this universe. A sound that occured in another universe (or higher dimension or alternate reality) could have a valid objective existence apart from an abstract mathematical formula.

Observer 3 - the non-scientist who has had an out of body experience. He/she hears the tape and probably concludes that both trees made a sound. Perhaps the tree fall that was not caught on tape made a sound in an alternate universe or a higher dimension/plane. This person does not need mathematical models or statistical probabilities to believe that such dimensions or planes do exist. It is true that this non-scientist could not provide verifiable proof to convince the (quantum) scientists. Yet observer 3, who has an OBE, realizes that experiental proof can and does replace the necessity of scientific proofs. And besides observer 3 realizes that the scientist or mathematician cannot disprove the validity of the OBE'ers own experience and so takes more than just a little satisfaction in that trade off.[]

Something has been puzzling me about psy/astral vampires.
I have conversed with several psy/astral vampires on other websites. All of them claim to require psi (psychic) energy to fullfill their needs.
To which I respond by asking them why they cannot obtain their energy needs through other energy manipulation methods like reiki, pranayama, chi gong and kundalini yoga. Yet they continue to insisit that these are 'other' types of energy and that they MUST have psi.
I find their arguements both self-serving and contradictory.
I would appreciate comments, suggestions and/or personal experiences from anyone here.
Can prana, chi, ki, and kundalini be 'processed' into psi energy[?] Are astral/psi vampires Absolutely reliant Only on psi [?] Or are most of them just too lazy to do the required energy work and find it easier to steal/leach the energy of others[?]

hay wantsumrice -- Way to Go ! []
Confusion and fear are actually quite common during the first out of body projection. The way that most people get over this Fear Barrier is simply to experience those situations enough times to become comfortable and to stay calm.
Because confusion can turn to fear and that can lead to panic. And panic can end an OBE pretty quickly, Yet after experiencing a few out of bodys it is much easier to stay calm. Confusing situations are then less threatening and curiousity overcomes fear. That is when some very interesting things can happen. [8D]