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Hi Amber []
You are correct in that spinning is a method recommended by Lucid Dream (LD) expert Stephan LeBarge to remain in a lucid dream longer. He also suggests spinning in a LD to change the dream scenery.
I don't know how to spin this to connect it to OBEs but there could well be a connection anyway. [8D]

Lasher's post about a falling tree making or not making a sound has prompted me to share a curious Gedanken experiment. I thought the gedanken experiment up so will take the credit - or the blame- for it.

A hiker gets lost in a forest. He is out in this forest for several days and eventually runs out of food and water. Gradually he begins to succumb to the elements. On his final night, near exhaustion, he comes to a small clearing.
He has with him a tape recorder which he has used to keep a running account of his dilemma. As he records his thoughts on tape a fierce thunderstorm moves into the area. Minutes later a huge lightning bolt strikes a nearby tree sending it crashing to the ground. The lost hiker comments on tape that the tree fell nearby in the clearing.
The next day rescue workers find the body of the lost hiker who has died during the night. They play back his tape recording and listen to the lightning strike and the sound of the tree as it crashed to the ground.
But when they look out into the clearing they see that TWO trees have recently been struck by lightning. Both trees were knocked down by lightning strikes from the last night's storm. Yet only One lightning strike/tree fall was caught on the tape.
SO the question - if such a situation did exist then - if both trees fell in the forest and nobody was alive to hear them fall And only one tree fall was caught on tape then did either tree make a sound while falling[?]
If the answer is Yes, then which tree made the noise[?]

To my mind this Gedanken (or mind) experiment highlights the importance of repeatability in science. If 100 consecutive tree falls all make a recordable sound and if the next tree fall is not caught on tape then science (=observable and measurable phenomena) tells us that the last (unrecorded) tree fall Does make a sound.

dino333 -
I tried to get a BWGen download onto CD yet was unable to do it. My computer-wise friend explained why this is dificult to do.
The BWGen comes in .WAV format. In order to get it to disk it must be translated into MP3 format. This requires special software. Perhaps buying this software is worthwhile if you have a lot of BWGen material.  Or it may be more economical to just buy a BWGen CD.

Here is an idea about those zombie-like people who were walking in a line. Perhaps at least some of those people were actual dreamers. They could have been either in deep dream-less sleep or engaged in normal non-lucid sleep dreams.
Here there could be 2 possibilities. Either 1) some of those dreamers were actually out of body. In that case, Nay, you could have encountered them in the RTZ (ethereal plane).
Or 2) they were in a dream reality and you entered their dreams and intereacted with them there.
Either way it does suggest some very interesting possibilities.

What you experienced MK911 was probably a false awakening. That is a dream that appears so lifelike that it is mistaken for being waking reality. Usually a person who has a false awakening does not realize that it is a dream (until maybe later after they wake up).
Check out the 'False Awakened OBE' post on this forum for a report of a similar experience.

Whether Heaven and Hell exist objectively or only have subjective validity is, in some ways, immaterial. Because Everyone has the Option, both while alive (via an OBE) or after mortal passing, to Go or to Not go to either Heaven or to Hell.
The point here is that there Is free will and freedom of choice. Perhaps that is the true trajedy of Hell - that those unfortunate 'doomed' souls that go to Hell could avoid going there if they were sufficiently enlightned.

Kundalini is a more personal energy than other forms of energy. Kundalini is identified with fire because Kundalini is apt to shoot up the spine straight to the head like a roaring flame.
   Kundalini can be controlled by certain forms of yoga like raja (kundalini) yoga, hatha (physical) yoga and pranayama (breathing exercises). Kundalini can provide a nearly limitless supply of power yet it can be unpredictable and even dangerous if a person tries to advance and 'master' it too fast. So patience and caution is advised!

CelticMagic -
It is nice to see a post by a person who has a positive opinion about this subject.
Personally I was somewhat skeptical of the existence of these creatures. I never downright disbelieved yet I was unable to fully believe either. Yet seeing is believing.
My theory is that these creatures exist in another realm/dimension (ethereal/RTZ). Yet occasionally a creature is seen physically. This is similar to ghosts who are seen by some people in some locations.
However once a person goes out of body then an encounter with all sorts of creatures is possible. [][8D]

Kalomek,
IMHO you did encounter a negative entity. Yet you probably had this encounter in a Real Time Zone (ethereal/etheric) location. Chances are you were in a run down and abandoned building. Very possibly that location was really haunted by some type of pretty nasty spirit.
Also it is quite normal for people to have distorted perceptions, especially in unfamilar surroundings during stressful situations.
BTW, pursuing this idea one step farther it is even possible that this witchy woman was defending someone in the room (like the black shadow?). Maybe she/it thought you meant it harm. That maybe a bit farfetched - it's just an idea. [?]

That is actually a REALLY good question Lisa.
Sleep paralysis accounts for the body asleep part of the Mind-awake, body-asleep equation needed to induce a projection. If you stop to think about that for a few momnets it should be obvious that body-asleep is the harder part of the equation. Most people can stay relatively awake but find it much more difficult to sufficiently calm/quiet the body.
To answwer your question though - Currently I do not know of any way to directly induce sleep paralysis (SP). Oh do I wish that I could induce SP.[][][] That would be Great. With the physical body properly subdued it would be expedientally easier to induce an out of body experience.
So if anyone knows anything about inducing sleep paralysis then please come forward and respond!!!It could be a Big breakthrough for a Lot of people.

What you encountered while OOB Mica were probably Orbs.
Orbs are discarnate spirits/beings. Orbs have been seen and photographed by many people.
There is some disagreement about the nature of orbs. I was under the impression that orbs are more highly evolved beings. Yet other people believe that orbs are manifestations of simpler, less evolved beings.
I have never encountered orbs while out of body. Yet reports of encounters with orbs by other travellers' have been on the increase.

GRRegis -
False awakenings are not understood very well. Many people have false awakenings and yet do not even realize that they are in a dream. A few people are beginning to report false awakenings and a few of these people are able to project out of body from a false awakening.
It could well be that there is an area where OBEs/projections and false awakenings overlap. This would be an area where a person experiences both a false awakening and a projection simultaneously. That would be similar to the projection out of body from lucid dreams.
So it could be that you experienced both a false awakening And a projection (ethereal). During a short period during your experience you could have been in Both the OBE and the false awakening state. This would be a transition state (as it were).
BTW I know that this state exists because I have induced (a few) projections from false awakenings (after turning them into lucid dreams and them going out of body.)

You are quite right J-Man. Some people do try WAY too hard to induce projections. To make matters worse some of these people also become easily frustrated if they fail to achieve an OBE after a few weeks.
There are two main obstacles to projection - Fear and Frustration. Most people eventually get past the fear barrier. Yet of those people who cannot project most of them fail because they quit trying after a certain amount of time. What normally happens is that they try REALLY hard for a few weeks, then get frustrated, (then maybe try again for a few more weeks) and then give up because they think that it is too difficult. Seen in this way the frustration barrier is far more insidious then the Fear Barrier because frustration is largely a self-made problem. It can be overcome, especially with patience. Yet, surprisingly, frustration causes Many people to fail (for first trying too hard then not trying at all!).

>>>>>Greytraveller,

Yep...and holy cow, what would happen if people started getting their own truth through directly experiencing who/what they really are?--:o)

Ginny<<<<<<

Ginny -
Obviously they would begin to ask some very difficult questions to their religious leaders. [?][?][?] Also, fewer people would be going to church. [|)]

Uhmmmm, come to think of it... that is beginning to happen now.

Lisa -
First Congratulations on your out of body experience. Was it your first projection? []
What you experience regarding the sensation of hands touching you is related to sleep paralysis. Apparently sleep paralysis heightens the sensations that occur just before and after sleep. Those sensations are a form of hypnagogic consciousness.
Most people are aware of the hypnagogic visuals that occur with eyes closed. Yet other hypnagogic sensations are also possible. That includes sounds (music, noise), smells (food, perfume) and tactile sensations (including floating, falling and being pulled and pushed). So what you regularly experience are a form of hypnagogic sensations.

From my own experiences and the reports of others I believe that time does exist in the super physical dimensions. Time exists in both an altered form and is perceived different by people who OOB.
To add to this confusion there are a growing number of scientists that posit that Time does not exist as a separate entitiy. They believe that time is only a means of measurement (like distance).
In any event there is some correlation between time in the physical and time in the astral/ethereal.

Nay -
You probably will have a projection fairly soon. Yet it is likely to occur during sleep and/or a dream. Then you will be quite surprised because you were not expecting it. So don't get frustrated as it sounds like you are getting close. []

One way to become lucid during a dream is to recognize any Obvious incongruity in that dream. Examples of obvious incongruities include, but are certainly not limited to -
Monsters and creatures (vampires, elves, dwarves, etc), [}:)]
playing in professional sports events (Super Bowl, Wimbledon, etc.), []
flying or floating without a plane or balloon, []
acting in a movie or tv show, [8D]
meeting a deceased celebrity or national leader (Elvis, FDR, Lincoln, etc). [xx(]

Alezunde -
I presume that you refer to the etheric (ethereal) plane which is a(4th dimensional) extension and a double of the physical world?
Your suggestion is entirely reasonable and Yes - it should be possible.
So far it has not yet been tried. Yet it should be easy to set up. Have several people agree on a time and a location. Then everyone attempts to project to that etheric-physical location at the agreed upon time.
I wonder if anyone else has an interest in this or has comments?

GRRegis -
A False Awakening Is a dream where you believe that it is Waking reality. It is a misperception of believing that you are awake while still dreaming. [?]  [|)][?]   [8D]
One effective way to determine if it is a dream is to write a few words on  a sheet of paper. Wait just a few seconds. If those words change or disappear then obviously it is a dream. At that point you should become lucid an d therefore have control over what happens.

There have been reports of people experiencing OBEs while using drugs (LSD, ketamine, datura, DXM and others). Yet nearly all of those projections were unplanned and uncontrolled.
So far I have yet to see any comprehensive experiment to try to induce deliberate, controlled projections using any of those substances. There does seem to be a lack of serious intent in this regard. Maybe there have been such attempts by a few psychonauts. Yet it appears that most people are only recreational users.

Why would Elvis Presley (or any other deceased celebrity or historical figure) feel a need to make personal out of body appearances for their fans[?] I would hope that Elvis and other important discarnates have better things to do.  [8D][][][]

Photographing someone who is out of body is certainly a good idea. Curious that photos using infrared, ultraviolet and/or x-rays have not yet been tried.
Regarding the photos appearing on the link provided by no_leaf_clover. I am somewhat skeptical of the photos of the woman. Note that she appears to be standing up and is wide awake. How many people do you know that can claim that ability[?] How many people,at Astral Pulse can claim to do this [?] Would it not have made much more sense for the photographer to have taken a photo of this woman when she was lying down and asleep. Those photos seem too posed to be authentic.

Kodemaster -
The objective existence of the man you met can possibly be determined by deciding whether you experienced an OBE or a dream. What I mean to say is that if this man impressed you enough so that you Did project out of body then chances are that you were impressed Because it was an actual discarnate being.
If you experienced a dream and did not project then chances are that the man was only a dream character = a creation of your own mind Without any objective existance.      [?][?]

Generally it is true that most experienced projectors are not preoccupied or obsessed with negative entities. IMHO this is because most (though not all) negative entities like to cause fear and confusion. Since experienced projectors have largely gotten past the fear barrier then, for them, the 'negs' are no longer much of a problem. (Assuming they were a problem in the first place.)
    This is, of course, an opininon and if true should still allow for a few exceptions. Some people appear to have private issues. Others just have downright bad luck and attract negative beings (whether discarnate or physical) no matter what the situation. Fortunately these people are relatively few in number and most of their problems can be solved. []