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Im not sure if i understand.

So what you do is you go to bed and just sleep, and then when you wake up, you imagine urself walk out of bed when ur actually still in bed? please correct me if im mistaken

I find it to be most effective just after I actually wake up,when I'm still very relaxed.You don't so much "imajine yourself walking out of bed",as decide you are going to get out of bed,and move your awareness into the room just beside your bed,summoning the feeling of actually doing so.

It almost sounds like judgement is a type of disease (dis-ease).

then you're infected, judger of judgers

I know what you mean

Bad habits...

Added March 3rd: see post below.

how well does this technique work?

Once you grasp the "impulse" thing,it's rediculously easy.Stupid easy,in fact.  

The hard part is getting yourself to a deep enough level where your physical body is greatly reduced in awareness,w/out just falling asleep.That part takes practice,and you have to keep the practicing to keep the skill at a high level.


one thing that I wonder,is why there's no "pull" back to the body using this technique? -I just sort of "walk away".

Perhaps it's a way of directly projecting into the astral,versus projecting into the real-time zone,closer to physical reality,and then into the astral,as I find Robert Monroe's technique to do.

I believe truly that we are our own Gods, and that everything around us is God. We are God's imagination, his dream, his creation, we are all a part of the same thing, we are all a part of this "God" we all speak of, but in more mere terms we are all a part of this 'higher-power'.

This is a thought that has crossed my mind more than once-that we and the universe may be a part of the creator-the universe coming to terms w/itself,and evolving.

I came to awareness in a hut of sorts,w/a primitive wooden porch.I walked out onto the porch.I could see the ocean in the distance,and some other huts in an open area near the shore.There was a dark-skinned man standing near the porch.I started talking to him,and that's when I told him I was projecting,and he said he wasn't afraid of that.Then another island resident came up to the guy who was talking to me.They had a brief conversation,and he introduced me to the other guy ( I forget the names!).They seemed to be testing my level of awareness by asking me questions based on their short conversation.The first guy I met asked me "Do you know where you are?".I thought for a moment,and recalled that when they were talking together,they mentioned they were on an island off the coast of Chile.I told them that the island was beautiful,and I think it's near Chile.They said "very good!".I asked them if it was actually an astral realm-if it was actually the physical place.They said (smiling) it wasn't an astral realm,and that it was an actual island near Chile.

it was a really strange experience...

...I'm not sure what to make of it,other than to try and return.Maybe I should place the intention,and see what I can do.    

A little while ago I "dreamed" that I bi-located to an island off the coast of Chile.It was so real,and a very beautiful island.I even talked to people that lived on the island.I told them I was astral projecting,and they said "they weren't afraid of that stuff".

weird

I'm pretty sure that Robert Bruce says in Astral Dynamics,that Wake Induced Lucid Dreaming is a form of astral projection.

And "normal"  lucid dreams are as well.

many people toss around belief systems at each other w/out realizing that is all they are....

...and if I had a dime for every time I noticed someone mistaking a belief system for absolute fact,I'd be a billionaire .

I've found that most people do not even uderstand the meaning of the phrase "belief system".I really wish we could,as a species,get beyond mere belief systems,to a more profound form of awareness.

As to the source of belief systems,faith is a very poor substitute for knowledge!

It's nice to see the idea of believing in God, and a more than open tolerance to multiple paths in one place .  I gotta work on being more tolerant of die hard fundementalists...maybe I should pray for that.  LOL Only I don't pray , but I think you two guys are right. There is something that can be possibly described as God, a higher power or something .

I like the phrase "higher power"-it sort of "de-humanizes" the god image as a human,in a good way.It helps take the meaning to a deeper level for me.

I know that I too,need to work on universal tolerance.It is very difficult though,especially when confronted w/reliogious groups that preach love,while many times, spreading judgement,and sometimes even death and destruction.

My own "inner judge" of sorts is silent 80% of the time,but it still crops up once in awhile,especially when judgement is already present in another person or group .

It almost sounds like judgement is a type of disease (dis-ease).  

but ........it is still just your opinion or faith, your own little private belief system, because the big picture is very very big.


Regards Mustardseed

this is very true-And it's the crux of the problem-Trying to get past belief systems-is this even possible?



 many people preach about god,w/out really realizing the vastness of what they pretend to know about.It's like they are trying to put absolute,incomprehensable infinity into a little box,and staple a human face on it!

I'm not trying to come up w/"sound bytes" hereIt's unfortunate that you may misjudge me that way-it's just that I try to state what I mean w/out having a "mega-post"

W.I.L.D. stands for "wake induced lucid dreaming".

It means that you make a smooth transition from being awake,to lucid dreaming,w/out a "dropout" of conciousness.

This is somthing I've done many,many times.It works for me,and hopefully for some others as well-

It involves being aware of the moment of intention to get up out of bed,after becoming very relaxed,or after waking up,and still being very relaxed.

I noticed that every time I stood up after waking,it was preceeded by the tiniest moment of intention-like I caught the signal between my brain and my legs!

So I started using it as a lucid dreaming technique.I simply lay down and bring myself down into trance,as deep as I can get.Then,at many points along the way,as I'm getting deeper and deeper,I summon the intention to get up-I don't actually get up out of bed, I just summon the impulse to do so, in my mind.I do this many times as I get deeper into trance.

And eventually,my body get so deeply relaxed,that the summoned impulse to get up physically causes me to simply just  get up,and walk away from my body.

It's rediculously simple,once you can grasp the impulse to get up,w/out actually getting up.

Try it,and let me know what you think!

And BTW-Could this be similar to phasing?

I managed to find a forum for artists,but it's rather dead

I need another one...

   

I believe god wants us to OBE. Because the side-effects make us more spiritually aware so we can be closer to him.

Well said!

Well, after starting to practice meditation and OBE I feel so much more energized and peaceful..I do feel closer to God, indeed.

Also I do not understand people who claim that we try to escape reality by doing all these things. I find that I am able to cope with my work and everyday activities much better now instead of trying to run away.

I can relate to that-about how people claim that OBE is just an escape.People who say such things quite obviously have no direct experience in the matter.

I find OBE to be quite the opposite of an escape-We  are confronted with something close to the very core of who/what we are when the physical body is temporarily put aside.

Quite simply,there really is no "escape" during OBE.For me,OBE/AP is about the seach for knowledge, as personal power.For moving through and transcending any bs that makes up the larger part of human society-reaching for our higher self,and hopefully,helping others along the way.

And if this makes me "evil" to any religious fanatic,then so be it!

And thank you, karnautrahl for the kind words about my last post.

I have little trouble with an "entity" that created all, God/Deity/Source whatever label fits I guess.

I find it very hard to really listen to someone when they are extremely fundementalist in nature because I know that they certainly are unlikely to listen to anything outside of their box.

I gave up on all systematic religions years ago, now I only delve into their cultures a little to pick up specific techniques-such as kundalini yoga, tantra, taoist energy practice etc. Yes that makes me sound non spiritual pretty much-which is true. I do energy work and healing for several reasons-health, I like the feeling and I enjoy the feedback if a healing goes well.  So really I'm a technician I guess and I'm not paying an awful lot of attention to the rest of the stuff .  

That said I've had a few experiences involving tears of joy and crown strobing etc that convince that yes there is something greater. I don't believe I need anyone's belief system to get in touch with that being..well it's the other way around really isn't it. Allow myself to be touched by that Being, whenever it sees fit maybe? I guess that sounds less arrogant and fits my experience far better...

If the fundementalists God does exist-I'm positive something Creator like does though it might be everything-it does NOT logically follow that the Devil exists too. Sorry but that's not even an arguement on their part. It's just a statement.  I get annoyed with various fundementalist viewpoints that insist I must have "their" faith in order to touch what they would call God. In the politest way possible that's ****. .

That comes from the heart, I don't need other groups constructs to allow this to touch me. I just need to feel from the heart and soul. The other nonsense has become meaningless...sorry if this is quite strong and opinionated also but this is a personal truth for me and I'm not trying to convince anyone else that it must be true for them.  That would be wrong.

good post.  I also find that I don't need any "group constructs" of religion in order to feel and develop a spiritual connection.What I find to be lacking in every religion is the narrow-minded viewpoint of what a higher power could be.The typical god image in religions everywhere is,to me, pathetically simplistic.

What you said earlier about the only judgement coming from within-that really rings a bell-Someone who feels that OBE is against gods will isn't (cannot) speak from experience,but simply from a projected fear of the unknown.A person who subscibes to a neatly packaged religion belief system might feel safe within that construct,and anything falling outside could immediately be labeled "evil" due to the narrow and fragile world view that religious dogma can create.

When the true unknown and the infinite come knocking on their door,their religious construct can collapse like a house of cards.

What I don't understand at this point is how anything can be against the will of god (assuming such an entity exists).

If I were able to challenge the will of god ,I Would have to be a god myself,instead of an infinitely tiny portion of the universe.

Here's why I'm driven to explore OBE/AP:

-A love of knowledge,including types of knowledge that you just can't find in society at large.
-Personal power.
-The pursuit of ultimate freedom,and evolution of conciousness.

That is possible maybe, a product of my expectation.  I was very close though, like maybe 50 feet off the surface.  I havn't read much of monroe's work, but might be an interesting read.

50 feet from the surface?

I think I was probably about a couple hundred thousand miles away.

I would really suggest reading Robert Monroes writings on the subject of OBE.He wrote "Journeys Out of the Body"-a classic in the field,and the book the opened to me the infinity of the OBE experience.

Am I the only one here that finds religious fundamentalism to be incredibly stupid?

He didn't tell me directly,but he told my uncle,who then told me.I would like to use his computer to down load some bwgen stuff,but I guess I can't now  

Jason=Healer

Thomas=Twin

Although I don't use the bwgen(what it it anyways?),I have travelled to the sun,and out into deep space,but blull must have been closer to it than I was willing to go at the time, because I didn't notice any heat.I wonder-could the heat sensations be a product of expectation? I read about one of Robert Monroes experiences about penetrating into the centre of the sun,which is much hotter even than the surface.

And a side note about deep space travel-even at mindblowing speeds,the distances involved to negotiate space travel are truly incomprehensable.Willing yourself to a particular location in the distance is probably your best bet,unless you just want to experience the sensation of travelling in space,which is amazing in any case.

IT could be a few things:

1)you could be projecting to an area that is too close to your body.try projecting at least 15-20 feet away,or across the street or something.

2)you could be have trouble staying focused.Try keeping your conciousness as focused as possible while projecting.

3)You might need to have a goal set in mind when you project.EG-to fly out into space,etc.

4)you could be having trouble adjusting to non-physical movement and perception (this is normal at first).Non-physical movement takes some getting used to. Combine this w/being to close to your body,and you have a recipe for frustration.

 Try to keep in mind that you are basically a point of light,w/no real arms,legs,etc.Every movement is executed through thought alone.The real power of thought "energy" is fully realized in non-physical perception.In your physical body,you can think inside your head,and have physical movement seem separate (the percieved mind/body connection),but in non-physical perception,the separation is non-existant.The Mind/body connection fully unites.

How big is the flag?

knowing the size could tell you whether it's in your flat,just folded up in a book,under a lamp or something,or whether your search should take you outside of your flat

That's kind of an interesting way to get a conversation going, Jason.  

thank you.

It is interesting,but trying to get actual unbiased responses is nearly impossible.So many people are just sleepwalking through their entire life.

So You may try to wake them up,but instead they just kick you,and go to sleep again.

Thanks for the thoughtful responses.

I neglect to mention who "they" are because-1)I don't spread gossip,or talk about others specifically when they aren't around.2)I assume that many of you have run into this situation sometimes.

All this BS got me to thinking-


this is exactly why certain cultural elders don't just hand out knowledge like cookies.

and a fine point about answering with a question-Everything is a mystery anyways,and it keeps you free from being taken for granted.

I would also like to add that unless I know exactly who I'm dealing with,I'm not going to talk about it AT ALL.

Many people aren't ready to assimilate certain discoveries.

This is a bloody nightmare-constant assumptions about hallucinations,lack of evidence,etc...

followed by a bunch of terminology that automatically seems to assume that their argument is better than any argument an EXPERIENCED person can offer.

as much as these mindsets claim to be about the search for truth,the pathways are automatically closed.Their reasoning is purely circular.


It's very irritating  

help!