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Hey interception

I live in Africa and know exactly what you mean

A child is born in a certain African country. From the age of 5 all he knows is war, hunger, death and survival of the fittest. At the age of 10, a AK47 is shoved into his hands.
He now kills anybody on command.

Is this child evil? It was not like he was really ever given a choice.

Does this child have a hardwired moral sense of right and wrong? (All he has ever known is war and death, as far as he is concerned killing people is the way the world works.)

Can you say for sure you would have acted differently (thrown down the gun and walked off into the bush) if you had been born into the same circumstances?

The adults who forced this innocent to kill child is guilty. Some of these children manage to escape and grow beyond this appalling life. "They are not evil just frightened"

The adults try to re-hardwire these kids and are successful at times. But once the child excapes this awful reality they state that they know what they were doing is intrinsically
wrong.

Of course your point is valid and evil is subjective, Hitler really thought it was good to murder the Jewish people

Take care

Alan

Hey

Nice response from both you guys.

Ego is the main reason for evil. But God or no God we don't need to be told by him or anyone else what is right and what is good. Existence is a duality of good, bad, light, dark positive, negative, love, hate etc etc

I think that we are hardwired intrinsically to know the difference between the two. These are the moral absolutes residing in the hearts of all decent people.

Of course these absolutes do not exist in the hearts of psychopaths and self centered despots like Hitler

Take care

Alan

I had a near death event years back, no tunnel or light I just found myself in darkness and I seemed to have become a dense point of intelligent light energy. I was looking at the earth as it quickly revolved beneath me, sort of like a view from a space vehicle. But I was just hovering in space with no need to breath as I had become pure energy

There was a being, much like me also made of light. I felt somehow that it was a "He" and just assumed it was God at first. The earth revolved and stopped over each continent and the Being gave me a message about them

Later when thinking about it I was unsure and demoted the being in my mind to an angel.The interesting thing about this experience is that this being showed me coming events on the earth  such as the great tsunami and Katrina and much more.

I remember that he said the greatest challenge facing humanity was the uncontrolled population explosion mostly occurring in third world countries.

There was much much more shown to me a lot of which I foregot


Take care

Alan

StarvingP

I am sure the universe is awash with sentient life. Maybe there is a Superconsciousness a sort of cosmic internet of minds evolving into what we call god. The Superconsciousness(Us) becoming God

Even God if he exists cant be Infinite, but must be evolving and striving towards that goal.

Take care 

Alan 

starvingp.

Reality is the eternal moment of NOW. Nothing exists outside of it, thus when you "enter into" reality, you see nothing because you become, as you would say, pure undifferentiated consciousness - the appearance of which is something ineffable and undefinable because of the fact that it is infinite and therefore literally has no definition (boundaries, borders, or explanation for that matter). Time doesn't exist except as a mental construct because only the now exists. The mind is an illusion, and it keeps bound what is boundless by the illusion of time. Without time, there is only now - you could only know this if you step out of your mind and experience it. In spite of Zeno's paradox, there is movement. Why is this? My best explanation is that if there were no movement, there would be no time, and thus no world to live in, only pure consciousness in the now (which is what we always have been, and all we ever will be - everything else added to this primal reality is an illusion for as long as we exist bound by the mind's constructs which are nothing more than blocks to "unconditional love", which is the love of all that is

).

Man!! guy I really like your take on time and concur completely. My post on infinity or enternity a few posts back, shows how linear time cannot possibly be true.

Time is just a measure of hw we move through or reality

Take care

Alan

What s true happiness and how many days of your life have been trully happy

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Greetings forum,

I often thought about happiness and how it relates to me and my fellow humans.

A philosopher once said he could recall days of peace and contentment in his life, but days of real true happiness were so few that they had faded into the mist of time. He felt that they could be counted on the finger of one hand.

And he considered himself a fortunate even blessed person, spared of the horrors some people have had to endure.

This brought me strangely to think of those poor souls who survived the NAZI death camps. These people say the moment of being set free by the wonderful allied troops the happiness and joy were inexplicable, like leaving hell into paradise. Hope came back and with it intense happiness, love, peace and joy.

A definition of happiness that I like very much is

Happiness is what you feel when what you want to happen happens

But my real purpose for starting this thread is. Think deeply and estimate how many really true days of happiness you have experienced thus far in your life time.

As for me, I have had many days of contentment and peace but how many could be considered really happy I will still have to think about. But they were few

Take care

Alan
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Regards

Alan

If time always moves from past to present even God would have a problen keeping  up


Please, don't go insane now. Of all the apocalypses on this site, the one you're about to read is probably the most mind-boggling of them all. For what will eternity look like? Think of a place where everything has ceased to exist, where golden parkings pop out of nowhere, Napoleon Bonaparte comes back to life and the Twin Towers resurrect themselves. Still, this incredible place is exactly where we are heading, physicists expect.

Empty your mind. We're about to take a BIG leap into the future. Not just a lousy few billions of years, but 10 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 years!

One 'googol' years, is the official word for that number. It's the current age of the Universe, one billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion times over. Squeeze the entire history of our Universe into the thickness of a dollar bill, and one googol years would give you a pile of money that reaches one hundred quadrillion quadrillion quadrillion quadrillion light years high. It wouldn't even fit in our Universe.

One googol years. That's truly staggering. Beyond anything a human can comprehend.
First, let's fast-forward to the not-so-awfully-far future. For the coming billions of years, scientists predict quite a ride. The Sun will explode, the Milky Way will slam into another galaxy. The Cosmos might collapse, or get torn apart -- scientists can't seem to decide yet which is more likely. And even if the Universe doesn't do that, we're destined to face a weird and horrible crisis, which involves us spending our lifetime as sleeping robots.

The problem is that the Universe gets bigger and cooler. Ever since the Big Bang, it expands, much like an expanding ball of fire after an explosion. Right now, the Universe is still young. It has these cute stars and twinkling galaxies. But in the long run, that will change. Slowly but inevitably, the Universe will empty itself.

Big Nothing: Eventually, the Universe will become a dark, sterile place
First, the galaxies will fly out of sight, beyond the horizon of what we can possibly see. Next, the stars in our own galaxy will burn out, one after the other. The only thing that will remain, is a dull graveyard of cold planets, dead suns and black holes. In about one hundred trillion years, the Milky Way will go black, astronomers expect.

And eventually, even this graveyard decays. One after the other, the dead stars and planets are eaten by black holes, or kicked out of the Milky Way by collisions. Astronomers expect that in one hundred to one thousand billion billion years, our galaxy has dissolved completely.

Time goes on. After a while (more trillions of years) something else will kick in. You'll notice that even the very stuff nature is made of, isn't stable. A proton, the particle you'll find in the core of atoms, has an average lifetime of 100 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 years. Wait long enough, and it will suddenly vanish. Poof, gone. The same goes for light particles, the so-called 'photons'. They're expected to last a few zero's longer, but in the end, they too will kick the bucket, one after the other. Isn't that just bizarre? The light will go out, literally.

The last thing that survives, are the black holes. But in the end, they too will vanish. They will evaporate in a puff of radiation.

So there we are, at our unimaginable one googol years. Finally, the Universe is totally and utterly empty. You won't see any light or spot any planet -- in fact, you won't even find the tiniest speck of dust. The Universe has sterilized itself. All there is left, is emptiness, and darkness. Total oblivion. And worst of all: there's nothing we can do to stop it. We can build fancy machines or futuristic devices all we like -- but in the end, they'll all get kicked out of existence, when the matter they are made of simply vanishes.
So there you have it: infinity. Booooring, we must add.

But don't sob. There's an upside.

As the quadrillions of years pass by, something very odd should happen. In eternity, even the rarest events get a chance to occur. Weird, bizarre phenomena that only happen once in a zillion years or so, become quite normal.

For example: the nothingness should yield a few surprises. Already, physicists know that in a vacuum, there are sometimes tiny little energy 'blobs'. Little, random fluctuations of the so-called 'quantum vacuum'. Out of nowhere, tiny particles pop in and out of existence. But theory predicts that on very, VERY rare occasions, the fluctuations should be a bit larger. Out of nowhere, an entire atom might appear! Or hey, the vacuum may even spit out a few of them!

Think of it like the static on TV. Wait long enough, and out of the random fuzz, a recognizable image might materialize. Wait REALLY long, and one day a complete episode of The Bold And The Beautiful should accidentally show up!


In the vastness of eternity, even things that are almost impossible become real. Like the sudden appearance of, say, a light green buste of Napoleon Bonaparte.

In the Universe, this should give some really surprising results. With eternity at hand, the vacuum should begin to yield all kinds of objects. Incoherent lumps of random garbage, most of the time. But on very, very rare occasions, you'll see other objects popping into existence. The Eiffel tower. A purple camel. A golden parking garage filled with chocolate Cadillacs. Napoleon Bonaparte sitting next to Mike Tyson on top of a stack of comic books. As the googols of years pass by, it's all there.

In the VERY, VERY, VERY long run, the vacuum will even belch up complete planets, and beautiful stars, burning and all. Theoretically the vacuum should even churn out a complete solar system one day, identical to ours, with a planet Earth inhabited by people. "In an infinite amount of time, one day, I will reappear", as physicist Katherine Freese of Michigan University once put it. "An crazy thought, but true."
One day the black nothingness should even produce a new Big Bang. Admittedly, we'll have wait really long for it to happen. Researchers of the University of Chicago once tried to calculate it. And according to their best estimates, it should happen somewhere over the next 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 years. That's a one with 1056 zero's. You can count them, if you like.

Given enough "TIME" everything that can happen, will and must happen







PAPER LINKS:
Govert Schilling, Evolving Cosmos (Cambridge University Press, 2004)
Stephen Battersby, "The Final Unraveling of the Universe". In: New Scientist, 5 february 2005

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/06/28/tech/main298885.shtml

Mind Over Matter

LOS ANGELES, June 28, 2001



(AP)



"The studies are very significant in that we have a group of people with no brain function...who have well-structured, lucid thought processes with reasoning and memory formation at a time when their brains are shown not to function."
Dr. Sam Parnia



(Reuters) A British scientist studying heart attack patients says he is finding evidence that suggests that consciousness may continue after the brain has stopped functioning and a patient is clinically dead.

The research, presented to scientists last week at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech), resurrects the debate over whether there is life after death and whether there is such a thing as the human soul.

"The studies are very significant in that we have a group of people with no brain function ... who have well-structured, lucid thought processes with reasoning and memory formation at a time when their brains are shown not to function," Sam Parnia, one of two doctors from Southampton General Hospital in England who have been studying so-called near-death experiences (NDEs), told Reuters in an interview.

"We need to do much larger-scale studies, but the possibility is certainly there" to suggest that consciousness, or the soul, keeps thinking and reasoning even if a person's heart has stopped, he is not breathing and his brain activity is nil, Parnia said.

He said he and colleagues conducted an initial yearlong study, the results of which appeared in the February issue of the journal Resuscitation. The study was so promising the doctors formed a foundation to fund further research and continue collecting data.

During the initial study, Parnia said, 63 heart attack patients who were deemed clinically dead but were later revived were interviewed within a week of their experiences.

Of those, 56 said they had no recollection of the time they were unconscious and seven reported having memories. Of those, four were labeled NDEs in that they reported lucid memories of thinking, reasoning, moving about and communicating with others after doctors determined their brains were not functioning.

Among other things, the patients reported remembering feelings of peace, joy and harmony. For some, time sped up, senses heightened and they lost awareness of their bodies.

The patients also reported seeing a bright light, entering another realm and communicating with dead relatives. One, who called himself a lapsed Catholic and Pagan, reported a close encounter with a mystical being.

Near-death experiences have been reported for centuries but in Parnia's study none of the patients were found to have received low oxygen levels, which some skeptics believe may contribute to the phenomenon.

When the brain is deprived of oxygen people become totally confused, thrash around and usually have no memories at all, Parnia said. "Here you have a severe insult to the brain but perfect memory."

Skeptics have also suggested that patients' memories occurred in the moments they were leaving or returning to consciousness. But Parnia said when a brain is traumatized by a seizure or car wreck a patient generally does not remember moments just before or after losing consciousness.

Rather, there is usually a memory lapse of hours or dys. "Talk to them. They'll tell you something like: 'I just remember seeing the car and the next thing I knew I was in the hospital,"' he said.

"With cardiac arrest, the insult to the brain is so severe it stops the brain completely. Therefore, I would expect profound memory loss before and after the incident," he added.

Since the initial experiment, Parnia and his colleagues have found more than 3,500 people with lucid memories that apparently occurred at times they were thought to be clinically dead. Many of the patients, he said, were reluctant to share their experiences fearing they would be thought crazy.

One patient was 2-1/2 years old when he had a seizure and his heart stopped. His parents contacted Parnia after the boy "drew a picture of himself as if out of his body looking down at himself. It was drawn like there was a balloon stuck to him.

When they asked what the balloon was he said, 'When you die you see a bright light and you are connected to a cord.' He wasn't even 3 when had the experience," Parnia said.

"What his parents noticed was that after he had been discharged from hospital, six months after the incident, he kept drawing the same scene."

The brain function these patients were found to have while unconscious is commonly believed to be incapable of sustaining lucid thought processes or allowing lasting memories to form, Parnia said - pointing to the fact that nobody fully grasps how the brain generates thoughts.

The brain itself is made up of cells, like all the body's organs, and is not really capable of producing the subjective phenomenon of thought that people have, he said.

He speculated that human consciousness may work independently of the brain, using the gray matter as a mechanism to manifest the thoughts, just as a television set translates waves in the air into picture and sound.

"When you damage the brain or lose some of the aspects of mind or personality, that doesn't necessarily mean the mind is being produced by the brain. All it shows is that the apparatus is damaged," Parnia said, adding that further research might reveal the existence of a soul.

"When these people are having experiences they say, 'I had this intense pain in my chest and suddenly I was drifting in the corner of my room and I was so happy, so comfortable. I looked down and realized I was seeing my body and doctors all around me trying to save me and I didn't want to go back."'

"The point is they are describing seeing this thing in the room, which is their body. Nobody ever says, 'I had this pain and the next thing I knew my soul left me."'

Greetings

I have just come across this huge Urania Book. A lot of what I read makes sense to me and other parts read like a far off science fiction novel

Does anyone know anything about it?

By the end of Part I you'll learn:
•   Who God is, and where God resides
•   How the Paradise Father can transform your life
•   The nature and role of the spiritual hierarchy (the Trinity, angels, archangels, Ancients of Days)
•   Where the universe originates, where it is going, and how you fit into it
•   How the universe is organized and administered
•   General concepts about life after death
•   Why God grants you free will

http://truthbook.com/index.cfm?linkID=14

Hi,

Does anyone know about the Urania Book?

I have just read about it on the net, some of its rings true and other parts read like far off science fiction novel


Alan

Hi,

The little I know about psychokinesis techniques it takes enormous energy to achieve. I have tried it and found it very draining.

I think that as you practice it more and more it should become easier

Try remote viewing or telepathy they are much easier to get results from

Alan

Tayenis,

Your take on the first stage of what comes directly after death is as valid and true as I ave ever read.

Can I keep it  and use it on another forum I am also on, if I promise to give you and Astral Pulse the credit?

The forum is Bruce Moens Afterlife Knowledge forum and I might use this post of yours there and you can check that due credit is given

Take care

Alan

Yes I think he did but this quote was from a time when they still had that appalling belief course there was also Limbo for the undecided

Alan

"I do not really know where to post this thread so I put it here"

Greetings people

Recalling experiences that I have had during extreme altered state of consciousness (not drug induced) I was aware of the intensity of colors, that blazed in living harmonious vibrations. Everything sang and I could hear and fell the caress of the sound of smell the taste of music and colors beyond present perception.

I knew then that I had never come remotely close to knowing what an almost infinite precise instrument my whole body really was. It is not only the brain that perceives reality; each cell is individual aware parts of my body. It was possible to switch to seeing with my ears, tasting with my eyes, listening with my sense of taste, smell and feel. Every atom of you physical body harmonizes together, as an intelligent member of your composite living being.

We have never learned how to utilize the amazing sensory organ that is our entire body. In this state of awareness I could stand still and hear the chirp of a billion birds which I knew was quantum particle flashing in the mind of God. They sing the song of existence and creation and we are deaf to their beautiful song and its real meaning

People became open books to me and I had to close my mind against the cacophony of meaningless babble, until I could filter it out and hear the beauty of glorious minds all around me, both human and animal. I had to retreat in shock and horror from the dark bleakness that sometimes entered my mind. And learn to accept and embrace all that is beautiful and loving about our beautiful blue water planet and the unimaginable wonder of the universe and the super universe from out of which it was born.

My body, mind, soul and spirit as stilled my inner being to really hear, feel, see taste smell and merge with the Super consciousness, began to expand in such unimaginable exhilaration  that my finite mind and self embraced all of existence and I saw and understood everything just like god did. My ego was gone and I could no longer separate my awareness and personality than from god himself. Indeed I had for all purposes amalgamated with and become god.

In what we call our normal waking state we are really sleeping in a dormant hibernating like way. But with practice one can awaken to a much greater degree than is the norm for many of us.

I have plunged the depths of darkness', despair desolation and for anyone to tell me there is a hell worse than this in a great offence to me

But maybe we must travel through the dark valleys of utter hopeless like I did; to really relish and savor the unbelievable glory that awaits us. Before we exit this life we should have reached a place of contentment, peace and love. Then the transition is easy smooth exiting a wonder beyond words , like a great holiday that embraces so much beautiful unknowns that the mind is filled with the essences and fragrances of new lands, planets and universes, both physical and spiritual way out beyond any wildest speculations about the afterlife

I hope this little essay is of interest. This in based on actual events and experiences that are as real as your own body and mind

Love

ALAN

Where do we go when we die?

"Note the first few chapters are not what I believe about death"


(Some Believe)

Millions go to Purgatory

"The dead in general, according to our teaching, pass immediately to purgatory, which is, as the name indicates, a place of purgation from sin, a place of penances, sorrows, woes, anguish indeed, but not hopeless. The period of confinement here may be centuries or thousands of years, according to the deserts of the individual and the alleviations granted.... 

The vast majority of passed over humanity are in purgatory. The billions of the heathen are there; because ignorance does not save, does not qualify for the heavenly condition.

All who enter heaven must previously have been fitted and prepared in a manner impossible to the heathen. Millions of ?? are there.

They could not enter heaven, except through the portals of the the ?? "Church"; neither would God deem them worthy of eternal hell, because their rejection of Was due to the confession of faith under which they were born and environed

(how the heck can they speak for God Alan?)

(Others believe)

What about the remainder of mankind? Ah! there is difficulty. Our larger hearts will not consent that all except the saints "must spend an eternity of torture", though this is the logic of our creeds. Our hearts protest, saying that 80% of humanity today is heathen and that fully that proportion of humanity altogether has never heard of God and the terms of salvation.

Can you believe this awful view?" (Alan)

Death, Not Torment, the Penalty

(A little better but I still don't like it)

Note well the mistake made in assuming eternal torment the wages of original sin, when the scriptures explicitly declare that "The wages of sin is death" -- not eternal torment.

I believe (Alan)

Beings are made of body, mind and spirit.
Of these, spirit is primary,
for it connects us to the source of everything,
the eternal field of consciousness."

And that....
"Each of us is here to discover our true Self...
that essentially we are spiritual beings
who have taken manifestation in physical form...
that we're not human beings that have occasional spiritual experiences
that we're spiritual beings that have occasional human experiences. "...

So, knowing now that we are spirit incarnated on earth to discover our true Self through our physical form, and knowing that Spirit does not die, then we can understand that death is nothing to fear because it is then really only a transition and a 'return to home', then how we live our lives here and how we think about ourselves and our life can be liberating and empowering.

If you were to die tomorrow, can you say that you lived a full life and that you impacted positively on the lives of those around you?  Would there be any regrets of things left unsaid or undone?


Death - the last sleep?

No, it is the final awakening!!!!!.

~ Walter Scott ~


Death is one of two things...

Either it is annihilation, and the dead have no consciousness of anything;

or, as we are told, it is really a change:

a migration of the soul from one place to another.

~ Socrates ~


Death is nothing else but going home to God,
the bond of love will be unbroken for all eternity.

~ Mother Teresa ~


the fear of death follows from the fear of life.
A man who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.

~ Mark Twain ~


the only thing that burns in hell
is the part of you that won't let go of your life:
your memories, your attachments.
They burn them all away, but they're not punishing you,
they're freeing your soul.
If you're frightened of dying and you're holding on,
you'll see devils tearing your life away.
If you've made your peace,
then the devils are really angels freeing you from the earth.

~ Meister Eckhart ~



Some people are so afraid to die
that they never begin to live.

~ Henry Van d**e ~


Only those who have dared to let go
can dare to re-enter.

~ Meister Eckhart ~


When the heart weeps for what it has lost,
the soul laughs for what it has found.

~ Sufi aphorism ~


Of course you don't die.
Nobody dies.
Death doesn't exist.
You only reach a new level of vision,
a new realm of consciousness,
a new unknown world.

~ Henry Miller ~


A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on
sympathy, education, and social ties -
no religious basis is necessary.
Man would indeed be in a poor way
if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.

~ Albert Einstein ~


To fear death
is nothing other than to think oneself wise when one is not.
For it is to think one knows what one does not know.

No one knows whether death may not even turn out to be
the greatest blessings of human beings.
And yet people fear it as if they knew for certain it is the greatest evil.

~ Socrates ~



We are ignorant of the Beyond
because this ignorance is the condition of our own life.
Just as ice cannot know fire except by melting and vanishing.

~ Jules Renard ~


The bitterest tears shed over graves
are for words left unsaid and deeds left undone.

~ Harriet Beecher Stowe ~




If man hasn't discovered something that he will die for,
he isn't fit to live.

~ Martin Luther King ~




I believe there are two sides to the phenomenon known as death,
this side where we live, and the other side where we shall continue to live.

Eternity does not start with death.
We are in eternity now.

~ Norman Vincent Peale ~


Ancient Egyptians believed that upon death
they would be asked two questions
and their answers would determine
whether they could continue their journey in the afterlife.
The first question was, "Did you bring joy?"
The second was, "Did you find joy?"

~ Leo Buscaglia ~


.
Death is like a mirror in which the true meaning of life is reflected.

~ Sogyal Rinpoche ~

As a well spent day brings happy sleep,
so life well used brings happy death.

~ Leonardo DaVinci ~


He who has gone,
so we but cherish his memory, abides with us,
more potent, nay, more present than the living man.

~ Antoine de Saint-Exupéry ~


Die happily and look forward to taking up a new and better form.
Like the sun, only when you set in the west can you rise in the east.

~ Jelaluddin Rumi ~



The Native American View On Life & Death

"You live on earth only for a few short years
which you call an incarnation,
and then you leave your body as an outworn dress
and go for refreshment to your true home in the spirit."

~ White Eagle ~

Our position on the forum is the one I like best and the most true

What do you think

Take care

Alan

Hello Forum

Did God create evil?"

At first it might seem that if God created all things then evil must have been created by God. However, there is an assumption here that needs to be cleared up.

Evil is not a "thing" - like a rock or electricity. You can't have a jar of evil! Rather, evil is something that occurs.

Evil has no existence of its own - it is really a lack in a good thing.

For example, holes are real but they only exist in something else. We call the absence of dirt a hole - but it cannot be separated from the dirt. So when God created, it is true that all that existed was good.

One of the good things that God made was creatures who had the freedom to choose good. In order to have a real choice, God had to allow there to be something besides good to choose.

So God allowed humans to choose good or non-good (evil). When a bad relationship exists between two good things we call that evil, but it does not become a "thing" that required God to create it.

Take care

Alan

CFTraveler

I like that Alan.
My problem is not with the Bible so much- I do believe the bible is an interesting book in many ways- it's the way various religious groups have used parts of it, as diverse as it is, to perpetrate crimes on their fellow humans (and other beings) and then feel justified.

Yes like burning old ladies at the stake who they perceived as witches. Jesus is quoted in one of the gospels as saying "If your eye offends you pluck it out, If you arm offends you cut it off" as it is better to enter heaven with one eye and one hand than descend into hell

Some guy who thought his eye and hand were offending him that he plucked out his eye and cut off his hand.

Offend in this context is temptation

Take care

Alan

Geat fun to read!




http://www.corsinet.com/braincandy/dying.html


Last Words, death bed statements . . .

Thomas Jefferson--still survives...
~~ John Adams, US President, d. July 4, 1826
(Actually, Jefferson had died earlier that same day.)

This is the last of earth! I am content.
~~ John Quincy Adams, US President, d. February 21, 1848

See in what peace a Christian can die.
~~ Joseph Addison, writer, d. June 17, 1719

Is it not meningitis?
~~ Louisa M. Alcott, writer, d. 1888

Waiting are they? Waiting are they? Well--let 'em wait.
In response to an attending doctor who attempted to comfort him by saying, "

General, I fear the angels are waiting for you."
~~ Ethan Allen, American Revolutionary general, d. 1789

Am I dying or is this my birthday?
When she woke briefly during her last illness and found all her family around her bedside.
~~ Lady Nancy Astor, d. 1964

Nothing, but death.
When asked by her sister, Cassandra, if there was anything she wanted.

~~ Jane Austen, writer, d. July 18, 1817
Codeine . . . bourbon.

~~ Tallulah Bankhead, actress, d. December 12, 1968
How were the receipts today at Madison Square Garden?

~~ P. T. Barnum, entrepreneur, d. 1891
I can't sleep.

~~ James M. Barrie, author, d. 1937
Is everybody happy? I want everybody to be happy. I know I'm happy.

~~ Ethel Barrymore, actress, d. June 18, 1959
Die? I should say not, dear fellow. No Barrymore would allow such a conventional thing to happen to him.
~~ John Barrymore, actor, d. May 29, 1942

I am ready to die for my Lord, that in my blood the Church may obtain liberty and peace.
~~ Thomas à Becket, Archbishop of Canterbury, d.1170

Now comes the mystery.
~~ Henry Ward Beecher, evangelist, d. March 8, 1887
In her new book The Most Famous Man in America, author Debby Applegate writes on page 466 that Beecher's last words in fact were, "You were saying that I could not recover." Ms. Applegate has not been able to confirm the traditional version of Beecher's last words.

Friends applaud, the comedy is finished.

~~ Ludwig van Beethoven, composer, d. March 26, 1827

I should never have switched from Scotch to Martinis.
~~ Humphrey Bogart, actor, d. January 14, 1957

Josephine...
~~ Napoleon Bonaparte, French Emperor, May 5, 1821

I am about to -- or I am going to -- die: either expression is correct.
~~ Dominique Bouhours, French grammarian, d. 1702

Ah, that tastes nice. Thank you.
~~ Johannes Brahms, composer, d. April 3, 1897

Oh, I am not going to die, am I? He will not separate us, we have been so happy.
Spoken to her husband of 9 months, Rev. Arthur Nicholls.

~~ Charlotte Bronte, writer, d. March 31, 1855
Beautiful.
In reply to her husband who had asked how she felt.

~~ Elizabeth Barrett Browning, writer, d. June 28, 1861
Now I shall go to sleep. Goodnight.

~~ Lord George Byron, writer, d. 1824

Et tu, Brute?
Assassinated.
~~ Gaius Julius Caesar, Roman Emperor, d. 44 BC

I am still alive!

Stabbed to death by his own guards - (as reported by Roman historian Tacitus)

~~ Gaius Caligula, Roman Emperor, d.41 AD

Don't let poor Nelly (his mistress, Nell Gwynne) starve.
~~ Charles II, King of England and Scotland, d. 1685

Ay Jesus.
~~ Charles V, King of France, d. 1380

I am dying. I haven't drunk champagne for a long time.
~~ Anton Pavlovich Chekhov, writer, d. July 1, 1904

The earth is suffocating . . . Swear to make them cut me open, so that I won't be buried alive.
Dying of tuberculosis.

~~ Frederic Chopin, composer, d. October 16, 1849
I'm bored with it all.

Before slipping into a coma. He died 9 days later.
~~ Winston Churchill, statesman, d. January 24, 1965
This time it will be a long one.

~~ Georges Clemenceau, French premier, d. 1929
I have tried so hard to do the right.

~~ Grover Cleveland, US President, d. 1908

That was the best ice-cream soda I ever tasted.
~~ Lou Costello, comedian, d. March 3, 1959

Goodnight my darlings, I'll see you tomorrow.
~~ Noel Coward, writer, d. 1973

darn it . . . Don't you dare ask God to help me.
To her housekeeper, who had begun to pray aloud.
~~ Joan Crawford, actress, d. May 10, 1977

That was a great game of golf, fellers.
~~ Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby, singer / actor, d. October 14, 1977

I am not the least afraid to die.
~~ Charles Darwin, d. April 19, 1882

My God. What's happened?
~~ Diana (Spencer), Princess of Wales, d. August 31, 1997

I must go in, the fog is rising.
~~ Emily Dickinson, poet, d. 1886
Do you hear the rain? Do you hear the rain?
Minutes before her plane crashed.

~~ Jessica Dubroff, seven-year-old pilot, d. 1996
Adieu, mes amis. Je vais la gloire.
(Farewell, my friends! I go to glory!)

~~ Isadora Duncan, dancer, d. 1927
Please know that I am quite aware of the hazards. Women must try to do things as men have tried. When they fail, their failure must be but a challenge to others.
Last letter to her husband before her last flight.
KHAQQ calling Itasca. We must be on you, but cannot see you. Gas is running low.

Last radio communiqué before her disappearance.
~~ Amelia Earhart, d. 1937
It is very beautiful over there.

~~ Thomas Alva Edison, inventor, d. October 18, 1931
No, I shall not give in. I shall go on. I shall work to the end.
~~ Edward VII, King of Britain, d. 1910

All my possessions for a moment of time.
~~ Elizabeth I, Queen of England, d. 1603

I've never felt better.
~~ Douglas Fairbanks, Sr., actor, d. December 12, 1939

I'd hate to die twice. It's so boring.
~~ Richard Feynman, physicist, d. 1988

I've had a hell of a lot of fun and I've enjoyed every minute of it.
~~ Errol Flynn, actor, d. October 14, 1959

A dying man can do nothing easy.
~~ Benjamin Franklin, statesman, d. April 17, 1790
Come my little one, and give me your hand.
Spoken to his daughter, Ottilie.

~~ Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, writer, d. March 22, 1832
I know you have come to kill me. Shoot coward, you are only going to kill a man.

Facing his assassin, Mario Teran, a Bolivian soldier.
~~ Ernesto "Che" Guevara, d. October 9, 1967
Yes, it's tough, but not as tough as doing comedy.
When asked if he thought dying was tough.

~~ Edmund Gwenn, actor, d. September 6, 1959
God will pardon me, that's his line of work.
~~ Heinrich Heine, poet, d. February 15, 1856

urn up the lights, I don't want to go home in the dark.
~~ O. Henry (William Sidney Porter), writer, d. June 4, 1910

All is lost. Monks, monks, monks!
~~ Henry VIII, King of England, d. 1547

I am about to take my last voyage, a great leap in the dark.
~~ Thomas Hobbes, writer, d. 1679

I see black light.
~~ Victor Hugo, writer, d. May 22, 1885

Oh, do not cry - be good children and we will all meet in heaven.
~~ Andrew Jackson, US President, d. 1845
Let us cross over the river and sit in the shade of the trees.
Killed in error by his own troops at the battle of Chancellorsville during the US Civil War.

~~ General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson, d. 1863
Is it the Fourth?

~~ Thomas Jefferson, US President, d. July 4, 1826
Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.
From Luke 23:46
~~ Jesus Christ

Does nobody understand?
~~ James Joyce, writer, d. 1941
Why not? Yeah.

~~ Timothy Leary, d. May 31, 1996
Now I have finished with all earthly business, and high time too. Yes, yes, my dear child, now comes death.

~~ Franz Leher, composer, d. October 24, 1948
A King should die standing.

~~ Louis XVIII, King of France, d. 1824
Why do you weep. Did you think I was immortal?

~~ Louis XIV, King of France, d. 1715
I am a Queen, but I have not the power to move my arms.
~~ Louise, Queen of Prussia, d. 1820

Too late for fruit, too soon for flowers.

~~ Walter De La Mare, writer, d. 1956
Let's cool it brothers . . .
Spoken to his assassins, 3 men who shot him 16 times.
~~ Malcolm X, Black leader, d. 1966

Go on, get out - last words are for fools who haven't said enough.
To his housekeeper, who urged him to tell her his last words so she could write them down for posterity.

~~ Karl Marx, revolutionary, d. 1883
I forgive everybody. I pray that everybody may also forgive me, and my blood which is about to be shed will bring peace to Mexico. Long live Mexico! Long Live Independence!

~~ Maximilian, Emperor of Mexico, (Archduke Maximilian of Austria), d. June 11, 1867

Nothing matters. Nothing matters.
~~ Louis B. Mayer, film producer, d. October 29, 1957

It's all been very interesting.
~~ Lady Mary Wortley Montagu, writer, d. 1762
I knew it. I knew it. Born in a hotel room - and God darn it - died in a hotel room.

~~ Eugene O'Neill, writer, d. November 27, 1953
Good-bye . . . why am I hemorrhaging?

~~ Boris Pasternak, writer, d. 1959

Get my swan costume ready.
~~ Anna Pavlova, ballerina, d. 1931

I am curious to see what happens in the next world to one who dies unshriven.
Giving his reasons for refusing to see a priest as he lay dying.
~~ Pietro Perugino, Italian painter, d. 1523

Lord help my poor soul.
~~ Edgar Allan Poe, writer, d. October 7, 1849
I love you Sarah. For all eternity, I love you.
Spoken to his wife.

~~ James K. Polk, US President, d. 1849
Here am I, dying of a hundred good symptoms.

~~ Alexander Pope, writer, d. May 30, 1744
I owe much; I have nothing; the rest I leave to the poor.

~~ François Rabelais, writer, d. 1553

I have a terrific headache.
He died of a cerebral hemorrhage.
~~ Franklin Delano Roosevelt, US President, d. 1945

Put out the light.
~~ Theodore Roosevelt, US President, d. 1919

They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist. . . .
Killed in battle during US Civil War.
~~ General John Sedgwick, Union Commander, d. 1864

Sister, you're trying to keep me alive as an old curiosity, but I'm done, I'm finished, I'm going to die.
Spoken to his nurse.
~~ George Bernard Shaw, playwright, d. November 2, 1950

I've had eighteen straight whiskies, I think that's the record . . .
~~ Dylan Thomas, poet, d. 1953

Moose . . . Indian . . .
~~ Henry David Thoreau, writer, d. May 6, 1862

God bless... God darn.
~~ James Thurber, humorist, d. 1961

I feel here that this time they have succeeded.
~~ Leon Trotsky, Russian revolutionary, d. 1940

Don't worry chief, it will be alright.
~~ Rudolph Valentino, actor, d. August 23, 1926

Woe is me. Me thinks I'm turning into a god.
~~ Vespasian, Roman Emperor, d. 79 AD

Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something.
~~ Pancho Villa, Mexican revolutionary, d. 1923

I have offended God and mankind because my work did not reach the quality it should have.
~~ Leonardo da Vinci, artist, d. 1519

I die hard but am not afraid to go.
~~ George Washington, US President, d. December 14, 1799

Go away. I'm all right.
~~ H. G. Wells, novelist, d. 1946

Either that wallpaper goes, or I do.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900

I am ready.
~~ Woodrow Wilson, US President, d. 1924

Curtain! Fast music! Light! Ready for the last finale! Great! The show looks good, the show looks good!
~~ Florenz Ziegfeld, showman, d. July 22, 1932

A grave stone read "I told you I was sick"

Take care

Alan

Please guys note this post is not directed at anyone on this forum but is an edited version of a thread I started on another forum that might be of interest here.

This primordial Mind had to do something, it had to Think and to find words from which to begin creation. "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the Word was GOD John verse 1 = Jesus the first Being " indeed he is the Word of God" The second person of the triune God


Endure forever, infinite, eternal are concepts that make no sense when they are linked to linear time we inhabit as three dimensional mortal beings. I perceive God as that which exists in a place that Jesus said was heaven "Our Father who is in heaven" God is also unlike us in that he inhabits infinite dimensions.

Thus heaven is somewhere else, not the universe. God must endure as you said from a platform of what I call the every changing NOW.

He must observe everything that has happened, that is happening will happen in the future. I am the Alpha the Omega, the First and the Last, He that was and is and is to come. This gives credence to my suggestion that God endures as the One who IS IS.

Using an analogy of a disturbance in a village involving the actions of running rampant around in the streets doing something.

A helicopter flies over the village and the observers in it can see the whole event in one time frame, from that observer platform.

The Bible says the Eye of God roams the earth seeking out what people are doing. God exist in what I call the Great Observer platform, observing all creations as one ever changing event.

The Observer Platform is Gods Holy Spirit, is it not he that now persuades man that he is in need of redemption. I know this is a very technical view but it is the best I can do as a Mechanical Engineer who has some understanding of Biblical truths

Another possibility is God observes everything like an unraveled movie reel frame by frame. Is this is true then he could see the whole picture of his creation, indeed from Alpha until the end of time Omega. This might sound a little silly, but after all creation is Gods movie is it not. The error with this idea is that it does not really allow for free will. The Calvinist will like this idea I think.

Of course using this analogy God could cut, edit and splice this huge creation movie, so that it does not take away free will.

Now to finite little me for an infinite being like God to torment my by burning me in molten sulfur day and night forever and ever is a little harsh don't you think?

I am only able to commit a puny finite sin against this huge colossal infinite being and due to this finite sin, I read in the Bible and her from fundamentalist that I will be given an infinite punishment in Hell.

Of course if I change my evil ways and conform then I will go to heaven, even though I remain guilty of my transgression

I wonder it even the worst psychopath would do that to me. So I allow myself to question the logic of the Bible.

If the writer of the Book of Revelation was examined by a psychiatrist today, sprouting, locust with fiery stings in they tails, horses racing across sting people but not allowing them to die, the world bringing doom, angels pouring out veils of blood, great beasts and dragons killing and eating people.

Heck!! heck!! people he would be put on antipsychotic medicine, given shock treatment, confined for life to a mental faculty and that would be the last of him

But no people dig, search, interpret and try to understand the science fiction like visions of fantasy in the Book of Revelations written 2000 years ago by a possibly very sick first century man living alone in a cave.

Why God does not speak and convey exactly in human terms what he means, but supposedly hiding it in poetry language and unconceivable incomprehensible visions, continues to perplex and it just makes no sense to me.


But I acknowledge I could be wrong so I pray to god if there is a god to save my soul if I have a soul

Just kidding guys a little deep sarcasm by a person who has been around the block a few too times.

My problem is the Bible and how the Bible was written and by whom. And the countless different interpretation, over a hundred different translation in the English language alone.

But God as I perceive him is warm, loving, kind and forgiving but we must have deep respect for him because like. I previously stated he/she is not some weak grey haired granny or grandpa

God is light in which there is no darkness whatsoever. So existence is divided into light and dark realms and we are free to choose to which we would like to inhabit when we die.

It is true that if God is made out of the same energy that drives and sustains the universe then he just like all energy and matter is subject to the relentless flow of entropy. If this is true then he is not infinite and must be dissipating his life energy into some huge heat sink. Maybe that is why the Bible stated that God in light and in him is no darkness what so ever

My take about God is that he/she not being constructed out of the same energy of the universe but some non-energetic pure light . that strange thing referred to as SPIRIT

Of course from my present very finite vantage point I cannot know the truth about what is now simply beyond human comprehension.

"You know physicist hate the concept of infinity" It is a misnomer a paradox inside an enigma an oxymoron. Something that must be but at the same time simply cant be. An impossible possibility if you get my drift

Gods "I AM" statement to Moses at the burring bush equated to "one who exists.

Remember the famous statement of Descartes, "I think therefore "I AM". This was to prove to himself using logic that "INDEED HE EXISTED"

Now all this singing and praising of god with loud voices and instruments in church. Is it really really accompanied with a deep felt love for God respect and commitment for his awesome Divinity? No most of them are just taking pride in how beautiful they sing, it is all about competition. Like Bruce Moen, I have searched for God and meaning in many Christian denominations at one stage became a rapid fundamentalist condemning the rest of humanity to hell, with some glee I might add.

But that is a long long time ago and thank God with these grey hairs of wisdom I now know God loves all of humanity, not just a select few. Indeed I have reached the position of despising exclusivity in all its bizarre forms


I have stood in many churches, some full of love and warmth, others just loud noise and madness or as cold as a graveyard. The TV evangelist shouting at the world extorting corrupt thieves, stealing money from the innocent makes my stomach turn.

You just like the rest of humanity I know almost nothing about this Infinite Entity we gave the title God. To assume we do is to fall into the trap of being puffed up with false speculative knowledge.


I really think no one can claim correct knowledge about the Infinite . "

Your idea is just as valid as any person and God is the God of your understanding"

What really angers me if with I hear puffed up so call experts pontificating that God, will god will do this if you did that, god is this god is that, this pleases god that does not, give to god and he will reward you a hundred fold

God is who he is and he IS and will act and react exactly as he/she wants to, without asking our permission. He is the boss and the buck of accountability stops with him

We are finite beings (at present) and God is infinite, so, therefore we must be much closer to a cockroach than to God the Infinite.

So I dismiss anyone telling me like Don does that God is thus. He is beyond human comprehension and we can only comprehend what he allows us to comprehend.

I see all human ideas about God and exactly who is really is as just subjective speculation.. Of course we all have a grasp of minor truths about existence and how it came to be.


"My problem is with the Bible not Almighty God"

Regards,

Alan

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Yes it gets the old brain cells working

Alan

Who???

Steel Hawk

Guttenburg is as good a candidate as any and the discoverer of printing press was immense. Bill gates and the discoverer of the internet are huge, but they do not yet fall into the category of historical persons

Take Care

Alan

What is the most important piece in a 5000 piece jigsaw puzzle?

The one that grabs your eye, the one that makes you think,

The first three must be

1) Jesus Christ
2) Isaac Newton
3) Muhammad


Build on that
Alan

This is how I really perceive heaven(s) to be

  Heaven is just one of countless dimensions, it is the door way to countless challenges, ceaseless learning
It is the first realm of the afterlife The reason so many who have had NDE come back with different descriptions of heaven is that one is eased into heaven with familiar surroundings than that of physical life.

That is why we hear of people in cloths or clothes and little cottages beside a river. But the soul must move on to higher reality into harmonious vibrations of great intensity and joy. We become able to comprehend much of the Divine Mind as we progress through great realms of pure thought and love. We interact with all other sentient life, both physical and spiritual.

Souls interact when their vibratory intensities harmonize and merge into immense beautiful madalas of colors unknown in the physical realities it is really birds of a feather flock together in the afterlife. So the bleak and dark will congregate with those of their own kind. Graduations from these heavens is necessary just as graduations from the highest heavens continue forever,

God never ceased to create he is the ceaseless creators reaching out with us toward infinity

There is no end to this great journey, we interact with all existence, merge, and submerge in infinite love and joy.

We approach the infinite light that pervades all of existence this great mind that sustains everything. We become co creators with god all souls first in our universe and then in billions of others.
Heaven is not a place of rest because no one there gets tired.

It is a new lease on life. But you can rest if you like, nothing is forbidden in heaven, if it were heaven would not be heaven

All thought and minds are open and communication is mind to mind or telepathy. Thus dark minds must keep to their own until new light enters their souls and they are able to merge with higher souls in the everlasting progress of life

There is a never ceasing experience for evolved souls of merging with the light God. It is like having your body explode in a pleasant way and becoming a million different atoms. Each atom can think its own thoughts and have its own feelings. You feel all at once what it feels like to be everything and everybody

The mind expands outward to encompass the universe until it embraces all of existence becoming all in all with God. All knowledge is known.

   Heaven is a place of imagination. Heaven is exactly what our imagination needs it to be.
   
In heaven, where all people really love each other, there are no inhibitions, or need for them. Everyone does exactly as they please; which works out well because only the best in each person survives, and good is all anyone ever wants to do.

This allows a freedom and happiness that people on earth cannot imagine. Of course, there is no sin or evil in heaven
   
People don't go to heaven because of their good deeds. It's what you are that counts.
   
Each soul has a "job" to do, a position to fill in the greater scheme of things. All souls grow and continue to learn in heaven.
After death, each soul has to rise as best it can through a hierarchy of heavens and face the increasingly difficult challenges posed by God of each level or dimension of heaven. We continue to progress towards the infinite.
   
Things in heaven do not age, don't get dirty, don't wear out, and do not get tired.  Everything is kept pure by God.
 
Our deceased pets appear in heaven the way we remember them, only younger and more vital. We can communicate with them telepathically. They also have dwelling places of their own

I use the term heaven in the singular as well as the infinite plural.

Heaven embraces everything, because heaven is GOD

Alan
29/4/2007