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Nevermind, I could find no torrent or places to download this book and i am not going to provide these people with my postal address so I guess I will not be reading it. LOL

This is spam if you ask me.

Hey,

I watched the trailer on this one and it seems to be someone spamming and using scare tactics to promote astral projection. Looks like nonsense to me.

I will download the book and read the chapter on astral projection and see if there is any benefit of if this is just a scam.

Best Regards

David

Hi Bondgirl,

I was not able to find the instructions for creating the pillow but I was about to find this book that seems to have great reviews and it's only 10 bucks.

http://www.amazon.com/Making-Herbal-Dream-Pillows-Aromatherapy/dp/1580170757/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238898648&sr=8-1

I will be buying your suggested book too (I think this is it).

http://www.amazon.com/Cunninghams-Encyclopedia-Magical-Llewellyns-Sourcebook/dp/0875421229

Personally I have no idea . I will read about it for a few and then decide if I want to try the pillow and see for myself.

Can someone tell me the theory behind why people think this works, even if it's just based on personal experience.

Perhaps what you eat has nothing to do with OBE.

Hi,

What I was saying is that there is an Out of Body series by the Monroe institute. (Not the Gateway CDs). It's geared for out of body only. They should be done in order but you don't have to. You can skip around.

http://dbmathis.blogspot.com/2009/01/hemi-sync-support-for-journeys-out-of.html

Best Regards

David

Hi,

It looks like The Monroe Institute has started using Magento Shopping Cart and the CDs have not been added yet. I will update my links under "Recommended Products" on my blog soon.

Best regards

David

Hi SkepticBoy,

I have The entire Gateway Experience collection and they work. But they require dedication and patience. If you check out the link to my blog below I have a list of recommended products on the left side. You will see the out of body series by Monroe listed there. Click on the link and check it out, it seems be more to the point. The Gateway Experience is a well rounded program to teach you more than OBE.

I Hope this helps

Best Regards

David

Here is my favorite version of focusing on something else than breathing.

I have a nice Feng Shui'd cubical at work with a nice window view of the Austin greenbelt. While I am falling asleep I visualize myself sitting in my cubical at work. I know most people would never do such a thing because the last thing they want to think about when trying to relax is think of work, but it's a place I am very familiar with and can visualize easily.

I remember I was doing this once and at first it was a blurry visualization and then after about 20 minutes the cubical actually became real, like I was really there and then I realized that I was really there, out of body. I was then able to float through the wall next to me and out into the lobby of the building. This abruptly ended and I came back to my body. This was one of my first OBEs and I don't think I actually documented it.

When you focus on something, make sure it's something you are very familiar with and really make yourself feel like you are there with no doubts.

I hope this helps some and keep up the good work and practice every chance you get. The key to success is practice.

Best regards

David

hehe, it's is a lot to swallow when half out of it.

I notice that on some nights when I wake up around 3, my mind is somewhere else and I can't seem to get my mind centered on what my goal is, which is OBE. Perhaps some mental conditioning during the day?

I have noticed that thinking about it all day and repeating mantras sometimes help to keep the goal in your subconscious.

I am just happy to see people trying to learn this skill, to me this is a very exciting moment in history. You will succeed if you keep trying and I will see you all there.

Best Regards

David

I will try Stookie's technique tonight as well. This is one of my old techniques that produced an OBE.

Indeed, however how would they know that I have included all of the step unless they have read the book?

I just want to point out that I had a vivid OBE the first night I tried the VEH technique. It seems that everyone has overlooked the part the says to feel your body getting heavy.

Perhaps this is the missing link . I may be wrong.

I seem to be able to have OBEs most of when I try and when my daughter and my cat are not interrupting me. Seems that various different techniques all work.

I was able to have an out of body experience the first time I tried this technique. The Author also says to imagine yourself feeling heavy (which I did) and I watched my body transition into the hypnagogic state.

I would like to point out that focus on breathe is not required, you can focus on anything. I have had several successful OBEs now and each time I focus on whatever. The key is to key mind in the present by focusing on something.

My suggestion is that you alternate your focus between breath and feeling your body float or feel heavy. That's how I am always successful and it's actually mentioned and overlooked in the VEH system.

Best regards

David

Hi OBEvideoguy,

You will do great and the beauty is that it will only get easier and easier and become second nature.

I tried again last night as well but the cat left it's hair in my bed and I was itching too much to keep focused on anything and my 3 year old daughter crawled into bed with us.

I will try again tonight and I will see results if all goes well.

Best Regards

David

OBEvideoguy and Vessen,

Thank you for sharing this! This is much more detailed than what's in the book. I will refine my technique tonight and pay very close attention to the pause in breathing after the exhale.

Best Regards

David

Hi Vessen,

Welcome to the forum and I must admit that I totally concur with ignoring teachers in high school. I was kicked out of physics and computer programming class on more than one occasion when I questioned the teachings and challenged the teacher's reality with nothing more than pure logic.

Your observations seem to fill in many gaps which include where the "vibrations" come from and then how to induce them at will.

Although my belief is that the astral travel does indeed exist and that we are more than just a physical body, some people need scientific validation to accept such a thing and then incorporate it into their belief system. This in no way means that I think the scientific research is not important. I think that a scientific approach will lead to a better understanding of how astral projection works and what else may be possible that we are surely missing. This understanding will give us greater control and will speed up the evolution of humans.

I will begin testing your observations each time I am out of body and then I will write down my findings. I think that together we can bring this to the next level.

Thanks again for this information.

Best regards

David

Here is Vesson's last response about the chakras and how the Vehram system may fit into the studies of such.

I think that further discussion should go to PM.

I have thought about the issues and questions you raised and it occurs to me that we are dealing with a very peculiar set of phenomenon, here.  The chakras do in fact have differing vibrational qualities (the Vehram centers do not) and I believe represent the focal points through which we may channel Vehram energy.  Living in the physical universe, we are of course bound by the laws of physics, particularly the second law of thermodynamics which governs the conservation of energy.  While it may be argued that the ethereal is not physical, I would argue that the physical is ethereal.  What I mean by this is that the physical world is an extension of the ethereal.

The manner in which we are locked into the physical body is an issue that has to be considered here.  We are independent of the bodies we inhabit.  For example, your consciousness is not dependent on the body, ethereal or physical, for its own existence.  So the ethereal body is really a necessary manifestation that occurs as a result of the integration of consciousness into the physical body.  Through the ethereal we bind to the physical.  The ethereal is not consciousness, the ethereal body is not the soul and so is not, in and of itself, "spiritual."

The ethereal most probably therefore must be at least moderately compatible with the existing laws assigned to the physical universe.  Conservation of energy is one of the laws of physics that has never been broken, and so I believe that energy comes from somewhere specific (in the physical world.)  The power that courses through our body, through the chakras must come from somewhere.  It, too, has a source.  The Vehram Array could well be the actual source of so-called "ethereal energies," while the chakras are the power centers where this energy is channeled and focused for the purpose of opening and expanding conscious awareness, healing, etc.

Over the years of exploration into the Vehram Array, I have had many experiences where I have been able to examine the energy that comes from each of the points.  It is the same in each of the power centers.  In all of my experience, the Vehram Array has been used for the purpose of fueling the vibrational surge. However, it can be channeled through the body to obtain different results, exciting the physical organs. Therein lies the key to how these systems may be related.

If the Chakras are a system through which energy is channeled, the Vehram Array may be a source of the energy being channeled.  The spacing of the chakras above the head including the 9th through the 12th are of considerable interest and it is also of interest to note that the author on the website link made a distinction between the purpose of these higher level chakras and the lover level 0 through 8th. Normally these chakras are not active and were only recently discovered.  While new discoveries are coming to light, we must be careful to not dismiss something simply because we do not understand it, so I do not doubt that these exist.

It occurs to me that expanding the Vehram Array, outward, literally pushing the centers away from the body, might serve to energize these higher level chakras.

On the other hand, while it may appear on the surface that these chakras would interfere with the Vehram System's configuration, it is not necessary that these energies even exist on the same dimensional level.  Scientists currently believe the physical universe consists of 11 different dimensions.  One might could argue that our consciousness is shifting into a slightly alternate dimension when we enter a state of ethereal, and it is quite feasible to also suggest that these systems could interact across multiple dimensions.  So we are essentially left needing further research to study how these systems may be linked and/or interact.

I am much more inclusive in my way of thinking than exclusive or dismissive.  I have every confidence that however these phenomenon manifest, they are not at contradictory odds with one another.  We must simply understand how they relate.

To address some of your questions specifically.  Each of the orbs are always the same size as all the others, although they may collectively change size.  As the orbs expand, the radiation field around these orbs may expand to engulf the body. This results in the onset of the vibrational surge, if the mind and body are in a state of hypnagogia.

In my own direct research, the intensity of the power emanating from these points have always felt uniform in nature.  If for instance the vibrations were barely present, then they would be that way throughout the body (this refers only to cases in which the onset of the vibrational surge occurred automatically upon entry into the hypnagogic-state, suggesting that the radiance was barely engulfing the body, but doing so relatively evenly from all directions.)  If they were there of a strong quality, you will feel them throughout your body evenly.  You can draw from each one or all of the orbs and you feel the same amount and kind of energy entering your body from all locations.  It is neither weaker nor of a differing vibrational quality regardless of where it was coming from.  It is interesting to note that the system does seem to operate as a collective, suggesting a universal driving mechanism governing its level of power.

I believe where we must draw distinctions between  these systems, the EMF and the Vehram Array, is in the unique purposes of these systems, the quality, nature, purpose of the vibrational energy(s) associated with them, and so I would have to make a clear distinction between 6 power centers generating the "vibrational surge," used to separate consciousness from the body, and the system of focal point/channels through which we may achieve completely alternate functions relating to reiki energy work within the system of chakras.

While, it is also possible to project consciousness through the charged chakras, this would still require the vital release energy to be present either way.  Ultimately, I would have to conclude that these systems are separate but no more so than the ethereal body is separate from the physical.  They both work in tandem with one another and are complimentary.  I lean toward the idea that the Vehram System is the source of ethereal power which fuels the charging of the chakras and what we are seeing is the north and south pole of a magnet, so to speak.  The Vehram Array serves as the power source while the EMF may hold the true potential for this power beyond the out-of-body experience.

It is certainly a very interesting subject matter and I appreciate you bringing this to my attention.  It helps me understand answers to questions I have long held in terms of how this system may be governed.

It seems that your consciousness exists in all dimensions and then creates vehicles to observe each. Each dimension may exist within an infinite array of dimensions.

So according to what I currently understand, your consciousness may be independent of physical or ethereal however physical or ethereal MUST have consciousness to exist.

Think of consciousness being the guy behind the keyboard and the computer being the physical body or ethereal body which makes it possible to see the internet. . Make sense?

Good idea OBEvideoguy.

It's funny you mention this because my friend Matt and I already reached out to him this morning about this very thing and here was Vessen's response.

From: Vessen Hopkins <vessen@vehram.com>
Date: Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Subject: EMF and the Vehram Energy System
To: reikimatt@undisclosed.com

Thank you so much for taking the time to share information about EMF.

There would appear to be striking similarities in the Vehram Array and EMF, particularly in the lateral points located to the left and right, front and back of the body.  However, it is important to note that the 7th chakra is too close to the body  to be a part of this array as is the foot chakra.   Also, Chakras are generally considered to be centers within the body (most are) within which to focus energy and through which to channel the body's spiritual energy.  They are not power sources in the sense that they generate the kind of energy that is being generated by the Vehram Array.  (Direct contact between the ethereal body and the Vehram Array causes massive shock to the ethereal body and these centers must therefore remain separate from the body, hence the Vehram Array's external location)

It would appear that we may be  looking at two different poles of a spiritual magnet, if you will.  I have come to the conclusion over many years of practice and research into this energy system, that the Vehram Array is the source , or well-spring, of the energy that we in turn utilize through the chakras.  At the very least you have spurred my interest in EMF phenomenon and I will have to look deeper into this.

Of particular interest was the EMF lines and how they encompass the region outside the body, intersecting in points above the head and below the feet, as well as creating the intersecting crosses with branches to the front, left, back, and right.  My question would be, how are these lines established and are you able to draw energy from ALL of these external locations?  Is that energy drawn in along the paths indicated by the intersecting cross illustration? 

Something to consider: might it be possible that the foot chakra and the crown chakra are not chakras, but rather Vehram orbs – sources of the energy – while the chakras inside the body are true chakras, centers where the energy may be concentrated or focused, where it is then able to have corresponding affects on the individual spiritual centers of the body?

What an incredible facet of this phenomenon it would be if you were able to channel the amount of energy that is emanating from these individual power centers.  It is important to note that each of the Vehram Array's power centers generate what I call an "ethereal-static discharge" upon contact with the ethereal body.  Direct contact results in an immediate jolt of such tremendous force that one cannot maintain or sustain the flow of energy for more than a split second.  The kind of power that emanates from just one of these orbs is equivalent, on an ethereal level, to the kind of power running through a 220-volt electric socket on the physical level.  You would experience about the same level shock in either case.

The chakras inside the body do not have the effect of causing severe ethereal-static shock by virtue of simply coming into contact with the ethereal body, and for this reason, clear distinctions must be drawn, but these distinctions only serve to help us better understand the nature of what we are dealing with.

You asked specifically if I would include information regarding EMF in the guide to help spur progress toward serious research.  I am always happy to help garner attention to worthy research endeavors and I would be more than happy to include information on this subject.  I will explore this in greater detail, as I do not write about topics that I have no actual experience to draw from.  It would appear, however, these topics may already be inextricably linked!

Thanks again for sharing this information.  May you find your heart's desires at every turn in life.

Sincerely,

Vessen Hopkins

Author, "Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Energy System"

Hi

Have you read anything about the chakras or the "The Lattice"? Take a look at the video below, I think that the guy who discovered this Vehram system may be awakening to something others are awakening to as well.

http://emfworldwidestore.com/emfworldwide/en/media-gallery/ucl-3d-animation?phpLang=en

Feel free to PM any time.

Best regards

David

You Should read the book, but the fundamental difference is that the astral body and any other vehicle that your consciousness creates is created by 6 energy orbs that surround you. These orbs bind your body to your soul and your soul to other bodies such as the astral body.

Plus I found that the technique works much better than any that I have tried. I suggest spending 10 bucks and buying the book.

Oh, I believe that the astral world is very real, in fact I think it's much more real than waking life. The validations will be with the energy system itself. For example I would like to reach out and feel the orbs power flow through me.

I finished reading the book at approximately 8:30 PM and then went to bed around 9:30 PM. I fell asleep at 10:30 PM while running the mantra "I will wake up at 3:00 AM" through my until I fell asleep.

Sure enough I woke at 1:15 AM which is my normal 3:15 AM because normally go to sleep around 12 AM. I began the breathing technique outlined in the book and created the sensation of getting heavy as described. I continued this for about a minute and then I clearly remember passing into the hypnagogic state. My body got heavy and I felt my body lose the ability to move and I was left in a totally paralyzed state

While laying in blackness I did exactly what the book suggests. I willed energy from the Vehram array and directed that energy into my body and within less then a second very strong vibrations consumed me.

I was not able to exit at first so I relaxed and then rolled out to the left side and found myself standing next to my bed. Everything was all distorted at first so I asked for total awareness and clarity and almost instantly I was seeing the room and the house EXACTLY how it is in waking life.

I made a conscious effort to stay as close to the physical world as possible this time and then I walked down stairs, through the closed front door and outside. I continued walking until I was out in the street in front of my house. I turned and looked northeast towards downtown Austin which is 6 miles away and hidden behind trees. I commanded my vision to zoom in on the skyline and instantly I could see the buildings with crystal clarity. I was completely amazed by this new ability and was very excited. I looked down at the street and I could see every detail of the pavement.

Next I turned and faced southwest because I remembered once again that I told my friend that I would visit him next time I was out of body for validation purposes. I started imagining his face and for some reason I felt a rushing and could not stay focused. I woke up and it was 1:20 AM. I went down stairs and wrote up a skeleton version of this and then went back to bed to try again. I could not go back to sleep after the experience.

This new found system seems to work very well and I really don't know what to think about it yet. I would like to do some validations and then report back my findings.

Welcome back OBEvideoguy,

I just bought the book after reading your post here. I will read it over the next few days and let you know what I think. I will be more than happy to discuss results via PM.

Thanks for this information.

Best Regards

David