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I took a break last night and I didn't try and AP like you suggested. Hopefully I have better luck tonight.

Yep best saving your energy and making most use of your energy by practicing when you are properly rested.

Pyro.. From what i have heard (and experienced with Lucid Dreaming) that the most successful time to have OBE/Lucid Dreams may typically be in the early hours of the morning. Say 3-5 am... that would be if you go to sleep at a normal time ie. 9-11pm or so... i find it's good to get to bed by 10-10:30pm if possible otherwise i miss too much sleep... Set an alarm as someone said earlier, get up for a little bit.. even ten minutes helps... Be thinking about OBE, read about it etc while you are awake at this time... . Good time for Meditation... Maybe come on the pulse, whatever works... have the intent to go back to bed within the hour though... go back to bed and OBE/LD...

I've been dreaming a lot lately myself & do remember some dreams even before midnight.. but i have heaps more dreams in the couple of hours before i wake...

Thought it may help,
Newmethod

[you]

I hate to sound like a real prick but when I reach sleep paralysis I just simply ask the universe for energy (the vehram array once) and the vibrations immediately start and I can then just roll out of my body.

I think i tried pulling energy from the Vehram array but with no luck.

Your not sounding like a prick  Sounds like you've been travelling along this journey for at least a few years and have solid intentions. I say good luck to you.  I'm not bothered you seem to do this so easily   
You have helped me greatly on my journey in little time. Inspiration. Motivation. Information. Presence.

I say enjoy it, love it, but don't flaunt it.

My goal was always to bypass the SP phase of the experience once it occured to me that I could bypass it. SP is way too noisy and disruptive- or at least it was for me.

Out of interest how do you pass this stage ancient one?

Thanks again,
Dean

I no longer meditate as I used to, but what I do to project is essentially meditation anyhow... the only difference as I said before is that I no longer sit up.

That's true.. there are many aspects to APing that overlap with meditation.. There are differences though.. especially since there are so many forms of meditation out there.. but essentially i would say this is true..

Pyro.. if you are having difficulty focusing on one item at a time meditation or concentration practices may help you in learning AP.. you can spend 5,10, 20min or 1hr meditating.. you could do as much as you have time for or is comfortable... as Kraven said earlier.. practice will help + conscious awareness in daily activities will help

I tried again tonight with no luck  . It seems like I'm getting worse because I know what to expect now so I'm constantly wait for it and my mind wanders and thinks about it. My mind is also trying to trick me because it tries to replicate the vibrations but I know they're not real because when I get the real vibrations my heart beats faster.

The mind is funny like that.. Try not to become too attached to the NEED to project.. Maybe approach it from more of a curiosity than a NEED... If you find yourself expecting.. or trying to trick yourself as you describe... acknowledge this has happened and simply switch your focus back to what you are trying to achieve at that point in time.. meditation can/will help you with this

What's the best position to meditate in? When is the best time to meditate? Is it better to meditate more than once a day?

You can meditate in any position.. i however usually sit up with cross legs for the plain fact it is comfortable & that i am less likely to fall asleep than if i was laying down.. When attempting to project though i usually lay on my back or side as i'm looking to cross the threshold between awake and asleep..

Time of day doesn't really matter... What does matter is consistent practice.. Your ability to reach deep states will improve and you will be able to get there more quickly with more practice.. The area you are entering (self-awareness) is a life-long journey and it may help to look at your goals as long term goals... If you reach them quickly then great.. but if you need to wait a little then you will be OK with this also..

I would suggest that it is more useful to meditate more frequently than one longer meditation. eg. i believe most people would find it easier when learning, and more useful, to meditate say... for two 15min sessions... maybe morning on rising and night before bed... than doing one long 30min session especially if this is not everyday. Being new to this i would suggest two 5min sessions to see how you go and whether you enjoy it... It's more about quality & consistency than quantity

Also when I do the breathing thing (taking a deep breath through your nose and breathing out slowly through your mouth) when I'm trying to AP my chest starts hurting. Does this mean that I'm breathing in to deeply?

Pyro.. When attemping meditation... a typical goal would be to clear the thoughts from your mind so you can receive/uncover more of yourself.. Sit down, close your eyes, relax, and begin by focusing on your breathing as it is naturally. Don't change your breath (some meditation methods may get you to do this but most don't), simply observe it. Allow the breath to find a natural, relaxed rhythm. I would suggest breath in & out through your nose - typically don't outbreathe through your mouth - you could sometimes though as the outbreath through the mouth creates a greater relaxation than through the nose. But when relaxed breath in & out through the nose, just as you do when you are typing on the computer - just more relaxed probably... The breath is just a tool to focus on so that your mind quietens. If you notice your mind wandering, just move back to breath... in & out through thte nose. Your mind will quieten.... Not sure why your chest hurts when attempting AP (i have a few ideas - maybe not right though) Maybe someone with more AP experience could answer that one for you... What does hurting feel like exactly, what are the sensations and where are you feeling it??

Should there be complete silence when your meditating? The reason I ask is because it seems like there's always sounds in my house (because I live with three other people that are always doing something) that make my mind wander and I think it would be helpful if I could listen to relaxing sounds (not binaural beats) that I have on my iPod so that I can keep my mind focused.

I really appreciate all the help. I'm new to this kind of stuff so I have a lot of questions.

BTW welcome to the Pulse. I would say it can be a little distracting to meditate if there is noise being generated in the house though it can more quickly teach you to be able to ignore distractions of all sorts including those generated in your own mind... relaxing sounds on an iPod may help..

Be well,
Peace,
-Newmethod-

I find binaural beats do help me clearing the mind, although I find some binaural beats to be more effective than others (for a number of reasons which i don't have time to list now). That said it is different meditating with beats than naturally. Beats are fine but I find i have more 'feeling' when i meditate naturally. but both are good. B.Beats may help you if you are new to meditating. If the binaural track you have decends down into delta you may find you will fall asleep (especially if lying down) untill you get use to it.

They won't "mess up" your meditation but I have found there are some side effects with listening to too many binaural beats too often. the beats are designed to take you into certain brainwave patterns. Depending on what you are trying to achieve when using the b.beats will depend on the types of beats you would use.

My favourites i have used are:

Hemi-Sync (Gateway Wave 1 & Support for Journeys out of body) - for APing
(Wave 1 is great & I will be getting Wave 2 as soon as i feel confident that i have Wave 1 down)

Holo-sync Prologue for meditating

basic natural meditation: Just focus on your breath - if you notice your mind wandering, just shift the focus back to the breath.
Rise & fall of chest is the most basic form. When this is easy or for a more fine tuned focus watching the breath move in & out of the nostrils.

keep it up Pyro.. sounds as if you are getting quite close 
BTW nice website design

I posted this on my blog this morning, any other help would be appreciated.. thx in advance

"I was in deep trance twice in the last two days in an attempt to project and both times I felt the desire to open my eyes and found I had what I assume is sleep paralysis over my entire body, except I could move my eyes, and later my mouth. I knew the paralysis was part way along my goal to projecting and as a result had no fear at anytime in the experience (which lasted 3-5mins).

I watched closely for a few minutes to make sure I wasn't partially projected or something similar but I was definately watching through my physical eyes but the rest of me from neck down was in paralysis... I attempted a few things to try to turn this into a projection but was unsuccessful..

In order to use similar future experiences and turn them into a projection I did a little research on the internet and found this:

The OBE & Lucid Dream Quickstart version 1.0a available here

In the Lucidology quickstart guide I read this:

Here is very simple exit method by a forum poster named tsunaH which works surprisingly well. Once you’re in 100% stone cold sleep paralysis you’ll find that you can control:
1.) Your breathing
2.) Your eyes
3.) Your face
When you reach 100% sleep paralysis your breathing is physical but your eyes and face have shifted into nonphysical focus.
What you do is shift your focus in to your face which draws you in to nonphysical focus completely. To do that, simply open your mouth and continue breathing in the slow sleep-breathing rhythm your body will already be in.
This will initiate the separation process and you’ll probably begin to hear rushing noises and vibrations which are both effects we’ll talk about more in Lucidology 101. Once things have quieted down again you’ll be in an OBE and can just get up out of your body in the nonphysical version of your bedroom.

from The OBE & Lucid Dream Quickstart version 1.0a p.9 - Craking the safe: The "Open Mouth" Exit Initiator

I believe that I will find myself in this sleep paralysis situation in the future and I hope this method may allow me my first full conscious projection experience."

-Newmethod-

I hope you were giving permission as i sent a little 5-10 min energetic healing for you about 9:30 Australian EDT

Hope it helped. I can send you another in a day or two.
PM me if you'd like to organise a time.

Newmethod

[Clearlight]

For me, a lot of it appears as words through my mind before filtering down through my hands. Though the process itself is quick to me, I always can sense that it is quite slow for those I'm channeling, like they have to slow themselves down and enunciate.

:Love Light and Peace:
Corie

Hi Corie, now you mention it... this is more often how this comes to me also though very quickly (appearing in words before filtering down toward my hands). Sometimes it's like the words are written in what i call Clearlight. It's not really written & not really seen but it is, it's more felt/sensed somehow and totally understandable by myself...

Good to see there are others out there who are experiencing very similar things.

One person I met who also "hears/channels" suggests that if the energy comes to you through the area near the rear throat chakra (around C7), that the energy/energies are higher order. If you are receiving it through the third/fifth eye area then it is most likely astral based energies. Interacting with these astral energies requires upmost discernment. If you are able.. sensing energy signatures is a good way to do this 

Peace
-Newmethod-

Hi Jen,

There is/are so many things i could ask/question/suggest... but almost impossible on this forum to complete them all. I'd need am hour consultation before i would even guess as to what is going on.. PM me if you like..

How are you now?

Best wishes,

Newmethod

I'm a final year health science student...

What do you mean by Miasma?

In my understanding Miasma is an old term from the 1900's and is basically regarded as pollution, especially of the atmosphere or environment...

The theory of Miasms is still used in modalities such as Homoeopathy to explain disease traits.. particularly those handed down to offspring from their parents...

Please explain further what you are meaning?

Regards
Newmethod

Thanks for your reply owl!

I know a lot of actions/indications of herbal medicines as i am a final year Naturopath student.
If what I am feeling is REAL it could prove useful sometime in the future especially if i can feel it through my hands. I will experiment with this and get back to you.

Thanks again,
Newmethod

[at the time]

When i first was becoming "aware" about 9-12 years ago I stumbled across automatic writing by accident - i at that time just accepted it as channeling some nondescript source of energy that was (at the time more aware than myself).

i would hear the voice & write or simply write and sometimes i wouldn't even know the upcoming word until it was written.

i found this experience quite profound. i became to take huge array of notes. On reading them there were may profound insights about all sorts of things... i do not know where these energies were coming from but I never felt they were bad or hostile or unpleasant in any way.. "it" was a bit intense at times and i'm not sure what you/i have been experiencing in these instances but i found it mostly a positive experience which halted after the original experience in a few weeks. It may still happen spontaneously to me at times, though rarely (maybe 3-5 times per year now). Each time "it" returns I feel similar sensations.. a strong almost 'incomprehensible' urge to write and a feeling of heightened awareness in my everyday life. So possibly it is relate able to some sort of awakening.

Do not fear these experiences - they are most likely not evil/bad etc from experience but i would consider awareness when interacting with them

I have found questioning these energies is useful. If you do "hear them" - clairaudience type symptoms - Ask them to state their intention three times... I found if they cannot state their intention successfully three times (i don't know why three times - i find many cannot state it twice) they are likely not higher order energies and not who they claim to be or their intention is not aligned with what they are stating... "saying one thing believing another"

If this is true i would suggest quick cessation of that particular interaction

Just my opinion from someone who has some experience with this phenomenom,
take it or leave it - you know what is true for you

Peace

[cross]

This is an interesting topic:
before i post please know that:
"i am not a Christian and practice no form of religion" but i believe that Jesus was a man that did walk in this realm to teach us things & still is - probably the spiritual figures of other cultures/philosophies were around also - just using Jesus here cause i FEEL it. I believe he used a gateway to cross over into higher realms....

I felt something a few yrs back and about 3 weeks or so ago i was reminded of it again. I will describe my experience of this energy like this...

It centres in the heart - beams down through the legs & out past the feet - energy here travels mainly downward from the heart.
It also comes from the heart and extends out my arm just below my medial deltoid if my arms are by my side & if I extend my arms out (like Jesus did on the cross  ) - The energy travels outward through my arms/hands. I believe it could be the same Energy channeled through the hands by some hands on healers...
the energy also extends upward from the "centre" - (heart chakra) - out of the crown Chakra & also travels in downward through the Crown chakra - this area seems to have the most 2 directional flow.... It obviously extends forward & back through the Heart Chakra - anterior side - energy mostly forward. posterior heart chakra - energy mostly received in through the back (possibly past).. ... almost posted this experience on my blog lately but never...

I believe "the way" - Jesus quote...  is through following this energy - which requires becoming more at one with Love, openness & self..
Just a few thoughts
This Vehram System seems to be related to the same energy that i have been noticing lately. - haven't read the book yet to know though

Peace,
Newmethod

I wake up a couple of times each night to answer nature's call.
Don

What's the reason behind the above. Nocturia 2-3+ times a night. Are you on medication that would cause this otherwise if you didn't drink heaps of water/ETOH close to sleep i would be getting investigations done as to why nocturia more than 1x/night?

Is the Vehram System only useful for achieving OBE or can you incorporate it into other methods ie. Meditation etc

All based on some old ancient texts. 

Funny they all have similarities...

EVERYthing to me is spiritual now.  EVERYthing and EVERYbody is connected in some way shape or form.
When we 'project' or have an OBE we are just crossing into dimensions that other beings already live in.
Since we are on Earth we will 'see' more human Like beings within the astral realms.
That does not mean there are no other beings residing in these realms.
Some of these beings use technology to travel within other dimensions. Some simply use thought. (Astral Planes is a dimension...I believe the 4th Dimension)
Not everything or every being is 'equal' in this regard. There are many, many different races of beings living in and around us.
They all have their own agendas and plans.  Some are STS (Service to Self) and some are STO (Service to Others).
Same applies for humans here too. It is easy for me to see that you are a STO person.
I believe there are beings in the 4th, 5th, 6th and on up dimensions living and working around us.
They are not GODs.  Some can pretent to be or seem to be a 'god' to one of us.  I am pretty sure many of these beings used to play god in our past.

Anyways, without going too far off topic I will end there. There is so much we do not understand yet.  I am no expert nor will I pretend to be one.
However, after meeting some pretty darn interesting people over the last 4 years I have come to know that this world is not what it seems to be.
In other words, This is NOT the Big Show living in the 3D on Earth.

[work]

The Binaural Beats actually didn't help me.
I was slightly disappointed, but I did get better results with your technique Dbmathis.

Been trying some beats out again over the past week or so...
I've noticed they seem to work a LOT better on my good quality closed ear headphones than it does on my little wrap arounds i normally use with my mp3 player...

[WILL]

I have only tryed OBE a few times and everytime I have been sucussful of leaving my body. I don't think about it that much and I just tell my self I want to get out of my body and start acting as if I was getting up out of bed as if I was awake but when I'm paralized. It has worked for me so far.

Good luck and have fun!

@Krisco ... thanks for the advise... you make it sound so simple... I like that idea....

You just WILL yourself out or do you BELIEVE yourself out??

Nice content newmethod,
I will keep an eyes on your progress as it is very helpful to me.

Thanks for your kind reply...

I hope it reads well... and is relevant for the newcomer. I'm happy if it is relevant for you & people like you

Newmethod

[Both will take you back inside for the answers you seek]

But I'm glad to hear you got something out of this thread!

Thanks i did..

I just wanted to express my frustration that after posting my experiences I almost always find myself having to justify myself and deal with unpleasant comments. 

I just saw this.. maybe you are beyond this level but thought I'd share.... maybe you feeling this way about these experiences is:

1. Partly behind why they're happening (not meant to offend) and
2. A good way for you to further understand the OBE experiences for yourself (the goodness within theses experiences...)..

NOTE: looks like either way, through the good of it or the bad of it, the goodness (2. above) will still be reached. Both will take you back inside for the answers you seek...

Best wishes,

Newmethod

I don't think I'll post any more projections or near-projections as that's an invitation for further attacks.  Ah well.

Thanks for your support anyways.

Venus

Thats a pity.. and as someone who questioned your experience earlier in the thread can i say "sorry"

This thread has further opened my eyes to the intimate link between Dreams and OBE's...plus as the thread progressed i found it more and more interesting... the direction it took was possibly not what you originally imagined but it was helpful for me none the less...

I hope to see you posting here in the future,
Thank you,

Newmethod

Hi guys,

Not sure if you care but...

After inspiration from our friend dbmathis in a thread posted here i have decided to record my astral experiences and insights on a new blog..

Thought it may be handy for a number of reasons:

• It's a cool place for me to record my experiences
• It would save me posting some of my experiences here .... comments & insight about experiences either mine or related to mine are welcome on my blog
• My blog, being mine, will naturally differ from db's "The Malleable Light" blog and other blogs out there & therefore may assist a different segment of the community

These are the main reasons i have chosen to proceed with the idea

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INFO
I come from an Astral Dynamics/Robert Bruce school of AP. I have read virtually no information of Robert Monroe's  Though i have used Hemi-sync products in the past and am re-experimenting with them again..

I am a person who has had years of meditation & lucid dreaming experience though have not achieved a conscious OBE from the awake state. My blog will reflect the insights, patience, difficulties & solutions i discover as i learn to consciously project. Due to this i envisage it will be of most value to those who are at a similar stage in learing Astral Projection as myself.

Care to check it out visit:
http://new-method.blogspot.com/

I am not knowledgeable on html code etc... so as i learn some, expect the site to undergo changes in the way it looks and feels...

Thank you for your time,
Newmethod 

It's definitely breaking a habit, I just wrote an entire article about this on my blog called "Breaking Old Habits". Personally I would have to weigh my options if I was normally a good sleeper and was losing sleep, but as it stands I have not slept well in the last 10 years.

A little sorry to hear that... What changed 10 years ago?

Anyway, have you tried OBEs during the day after you have had enough sleep?

It's not so much about the lost sleep, it's more of a fact that staying awake in bed for this length of time (30min-1hr) often makes me uncomfortable... Maybe i am staying TOO awake and not relaxing enough..

I could meditate an hour though and not feel like this... so not sure what is causing it..
Will observe the process & hopefully what is creating it more tonight.. unless i don't get it which will be good

Thanks dm, your input in threads is always appreciated

See my blog-
http://myotherrealty.blogspot.com/

Thanks for the link & your reply... i'll happily check it out

[deliberately]

How would I go about being aware? I'd really like to know some techniques.
  Thanks

Techniques would be almost as limitless as the imagination but in the long term if you are using techniques are you trully 'perceiving reality as it really is'. This is a goal of mine... Though techniques are often required in the beginning until you learn how to be...

The main technique i use to achieve a state of awareness is to focus my attention on sensations in my body, energy systems etc. I also monitor what i am thinking about. I also choose to expand my peripheral vision to encompass more of my surroundings..choose to listen to sounds around me... Simply be AWARE of what you are experiencing!!

Though the experience is largely limited by where you are choosing to focus.. It is difficult to perceive a large variety of information in any one moment in time...Though choice (awareness) or habit (normally unaware) will dictate what you are perceiving...

I have found that staying aware in both waking life and sleep both require that you constantly focus on what's happening or what you are doing without letting your mind wander. It just requires focus and practice.

Exactly right... if the mind is wandering = unaware... Unless you are deliberately allowing your mind to wander (ie. it may be useful in creating new ideas etc)

In waking life i try to have some if not all attention centred within my body... Any part.. perceive the natural sensations that are already there.. say...at present i have... the feel of my fingers touching the keyboard... my family playing in the background.. (auditory sensations) other sensations in my body that i feel... most of which are pleasant .... the sensation of my heart now growing wider as a grin forms across my face... It is ALL Awareness about what is happening in the present moment...

Being involved in and consciously choosing where to focus attention in the present moment is the key to having awareness

Largely, it is a matter of choice as to where we put our focus.... If we are choosing to focus our energy on one thing.. and our mind wanders from the task at hand, then we have lost our awareness somewhere along the line.. Be gentle with yourself...Simply redirect your focus and energy to where you desire it to go...

often people focus on the future or past.. that is OK if that is where you are intending to put your focus, otherwise you are being unaware... Running on habit, fear etc..

I figure greater awareness will naturally extend itself into having OBE..

Personally I believe my greatest challenge in having conscious OBE experiences is:
 
i'm such a good sleeper....
if were to go to bed to sleep... i would generally fall asleep in about two minutes or less (seriously..) and not wake till morning...

To learn OBE i am having to keep myself awake longer and change my habit... This often creates an uncomfortable feeling in my body as i keep myself awake now for up to an hour... I normally start to feel uncomfortable in my body after 30min-1hr of doing this...I usually choose to give up and go to sleep...

Anyone else feel uncomfortable after a while of keeping their mind awake while body falls asleep?
Will this feeling subside as i get use to keeping myself awake?

Is it worth pushing through it, or is it best to rest when feeling uncomfortable?
If you do push through it what is on the other side?
At the moment the energy that presents itself and makes me uncomfortable feels like it could give me insomnia or at least force me out of bed for a while before i could go back to bed for sleep

Thank you,
Newmethod

I will look for that book but i doubt i will find it in Australia. I have been trying for around three months now and i have tried 3 techniques none of which worked.

I live in Australia and you will find the book here... I bought it years ago... You may have to order it in and wait a week or two for it.. but it should be readily available.. I also have about three other books by Robert Bruce, the last of which i got last year..... order Astral Dynamics in.. it is a must read for anyone hoping to project or that just wants to learn about the human being...

Your posts sound a little urgent and stressed.. Try to relax... You are aiming for a body asleep, mind awake state in order to project...You must learn to relax...

Good luck!