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Forget the emotional manipulation garbage please. It's not needed... free thinkers will come to their own conclusions. You don't need to play guesswork with my intentions.

Who says you can't change it?

Note the qualifier... *if* I can't avoid a torturous afterlife by being a good person or controlling my mind, what will allow me to? Humor me, please.

We can't verify where we go, so yes, our immortal souls are at risk.

That's a reason why we train to control our minds/emotions, meditate, and experience the spirit world through projection. If I can control where I end up, I'm not worried. If I can't and we're all destined for hell, then I guess we're all destined for hell... why worry about something you can't change? If being a good person and having above average mind control doesn't buy me a decent afterlife, nothing will. I'll never adopt your beliefs though, because in the likelihood that they're not true I don't wish to needlessly taint my post-death experience with negative thoughts of Satan and demons. So can you see how your information, your "truth" doesn't affect me or anyone else that practices OBE?

I narrowed it down to three things I wanted to do: Getting a guitar lesson from a famous guitarist, study martial arts, or getting laid. I decided on martial arts

SWERVE! Lol, good read.

If you don't know where you go when you die, you're taking a massive risk with your immortal soul. Look at that argument. It cannot be refuted.

And it can't be verified. So what? Deadlock. There's nothing to talk about here. Widespread poverty and violence doesn't make this world the literal/biblical hell which is described to be very different from this reality. I didn't prove you wrong, your buddy Logic did.

So why don't you own up? I've told you what I'm doing, and why I am doing it. Worthy cause, if its true? You would do the same if you were in my shoes.

Some people don't feel the need to brag about good deeds because then they become no more than a vehicle for ego stroking. But you want proof? Why don't you do what you expect us to do... take it on faith.

It piqued my interest, but I had nothing clever or helpful to say, so I said nothing.

Same here... all I can fall back on is crown chakra stimulation. My brain will start to pulse heavily when I place focus on it during the trance state. I couldn't explain why your brain functioned as two separate components in that situation. Has it happened since or was it just a freak occurrence?

As far as meditation, the king of meditation Ken Wilber wrote a book "One Taste" where he describes his sleep as being conscious or lucid dreaming all night. During the non-REM periods he has what the Tibetans call "the clear light of bliss" which I think is similar to what we call our 3D black world. He and other monks who've mastered this likely can because they've trained their minds over time (he says 20 years). 

I don't know if I'd want to be aware all night lol, but that's an interesting concept... what if dreamless sleep is just experiencing the 3D blackness with reduced consciousness?

Hey man, I know what it's like to deal with depression in conjunction with clueless, unreliable and sometimes harmful family. It's a cold experience having no one to depend on... but that just means *you* have to become the person that you can depend on... financially but more importantly, emotionally. If you are your own guiding light no one can hurt you... they can just bother you for a little while. If you need advice feel free to shoot me a pm. There are also plenty of support forums out there for depression, troubling life issues, etc. and they welcome newcomers with open arms.

Imagine your physical body is a refrigerator and your waking consciousness is a giant magnet. How do you separate the two? Direct enough energy into separation that it overcomes the energy creating the natural attraction... a feat in itself. Now the magnet weighs 50 pounds and you're going to get tired eventually. Pretty soon your energy depletes and the energy creating the attraction wins out... the magnet snaps back to the refrigerator. With increasing focus your source to sustain energy expands, you can hold the magnet away from the fridge for longer.

Don't be mistaken, they *are* lost causes... sort of like an old lady with dementia in a retirement home. She'll rattle on and on about god knows what, contradict herself to a rediculous degree, claim she's Cleopatra reincarnated, etc. Best thing you can do is nod your head and go "Uh huh, uh huh, yea, really? uh huh" until the sedative you slipped in her afternoon tea kicks in.

Never heard of anyone doing anything like this... did it take intense focus to create the window portals? Fascinating stuff, anyway.

Hi everyone,
Obviously there is a discrepancy between the LD and OBE state. From my experiences I've found that the two are one in the same. When I was just starting out projecting I used to be disappointed when i just spontaneously found myself in a "dream state". From all the books and information I had read a true OBE can only take place after immediately exiting the body. After years of observation-- there are no differences between the two. All dreams take place on the metaphysical realm. The environment we find ourselves in is extremely subjective. On planes above the RTZ our wishes, thoughts, and nightmares come true. We create our own reality. If we aren't conscious of the experience taking place our subconscious thoughts overwhelm us. We find ourselves with dream characters created by our deep imaginative capabilities. These capabilities are the same in an OBE or LD. We may manifest whatever we wish. Some characters who present themselves as familiar faces are simply thoughtforms produced by the subconscious.

I agree... the "differences" are more or less arbitrary.

The transfer from a dream to lucidity (which is an OBE *at that point*) is pretty much exactly what Xanth described.

You're like an astral mafia hitman lol. I don't think this is normal, but what is in the non-physical? If you want a change of pace maybe you can try investigating the reason you're in this position. Ask why you need to fight. If you're met with an 'opponent' try communicating with it or sending it positive energy. This may be a problem (pychological or spiritual) that'll keep manifesting until you find the proper resolution.

Also, if consciousness is infinite energy is also infinite. I believe you can just take what you need from the environment if you're depleted. Doing energy work before projecting helps as well.

I haven't met any guide-like entities yet... I'll probably try to tonight but whenever I ask I'm always greeted by rude beings.

What was your interaction with this character and how did you conclude it was a guide?

Hey there, I'm a Buddhist as well.

I know Greytraveler, haha. Original zombies were meant as slaves that didn't eat at all :]

I want to get into OBEs and AP through my Buddhist practice, instead of completely restarting. I'm slowly opening my third eye through charka meditation. Does anyone know a way to make sure my third eye is opening. I've recently noticed a spikey purple circle when I close my eyes during chakra meditation, it that my third eye manifesting?

Just focus on the location of your brow chakra. I've also read in the past Robert Bruce imagines taking his hands (through tactile imaging) and "opens the chakras" like a door. Meditation through any sort of visualization also exercises the third eye. In reality, any old meditation technique will give your third eye a workout.

Experience 1 sounds like an AP. I'm finding 2+3 hard to identify... if you had waking awareness and full cognition it was most likely a AP. If not you probably just had a vivid dream or if you knew you were dreaming (you didn't specify this point) an LD.

Meditate daily in combination with the early morning wake up routine... this gets me to the vibes every time.

I can get eager/anxious at times during meditation myself. I know because thought forms like "why aren't I going deep in trance, yet?" "I'm bored" and "what's the point?" start flooding my brain. When this happens I take a deep breath and think to myself... "my only intent is to exercise my focus, not to project." It's sort of like if you want to become a bodybuilder. Your ultimate goal is to bench 300 lb. and win Mr. (or Ms.) Universe. How do you do that? You build your strength repping 50 lb, 100 lb, 150, etc. So you don't need to take a break from reaching your ultimate goal, you just have to assess how you'll reach it. There's no shortcut with most forms of training, training the mind is no different.

I don't see why you can't do that same method in your own bed... the wake-up early routine is what I do myself and it works fine anywhere.

Well, glad I didn't hold my breath.

My third post addressed the issue at hand. Feel free to respond to it in words anyone can comprehend *without* any logical fallacies. I won't hold my breath, though because:

within the delusional system the logic is perverted

Example...

Your avatar message:

Love is all there is.

Your belief:

Earth is hell.

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I believe you, congrats. Try that with your eyes closed and you're well on your way to a direct projection.