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you get a grip, you brainwashed media worshipping, pagan.

Oh my the oh so peaceful Muslim are on a rampage, it starts with name calling, personal abuse of anyone who disagrees and then soon after comes the aggression...........don't you see that you are confirming my opinion and absolutely contradicting yourself.......I guess not.

For you I will always be just that a brainwashed media worshiping pagan an infidel and Islam knows what to do with such people  . The Koran says it clear for all to understand:

Sura 2:187-189 "And kill them wherever ye shall find them, and eject them from whatever place they have ejected you; for civil discord is worse than carnage: yet attack them not at the sacred Mosque, unless they attack you therein; but if they attack you, slay them. Such the reward of the infidels...Fight therefore against them until there be no more civil discord, and the only worship be that of God: but if they desist, then let there be no hostility, save against the wicked."

2:190-292 "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for Allah does not love transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out: For tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; But fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they first fight you there; But if they fight you, Slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith."

2:193 "And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and let there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression."

2:216 "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth, and ye know not. 217 They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: "Fighting therein is a grave (offense); but graver is it in the sight of God to prevent access to the path of God, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members. Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be Companions of the Fire and will abide therein."

2:244 "Then fight in the cause of God, and know that God heareth and knoweth all things. 245 Who is he that will loan to God a beautiful loan, which God will double unto his credit and multiply many times? It is God that giveth (you) want or plenty, and to Him shall be your return."

So what are you going to say Osama ...........that I have misunderstood the meaning of these Suras.....kill does not mean kill it is translated wrong it really means cuddle......what is your explanation.

I know what you will say. Nothing. You will make a mental note that here is someone who cannot be fooled with all your softsoap, and I personally think you will stop talking to me and continue your peace propaganda baloney and hope I will just go away. Dont you see it, you are exposed for what you are in your heart.

Get over it dude. Muslims have always been peaceful. Rash and floundery statements of a couple doesnt change the fact that:

1)Muslims have always been more tolerant, and more civilized, in warfare and elsewhere, than christians.

2) When the crusaders killed little Muslim, Jewish, and christian babies in Jerusalem in the name of God, the Muslims didnt go killing little christian babies in europe. Not to mention their justification for their crusades being from the old testament as well as the new testament (Jesus telling his disciples to sell their cloaks for swords)

3) When christians tortured people during the inquisition(Muslims and Jews), Muslims had nothign to do with that.

4) When Jews were being persecuted in Christian europe for hundreds of years, they were protected and treated with dignity in the Islamic world.

5) And of course now, when the Christian dominated 'United States' invades two nations, justifying their invasions with lies and deceits, killing thousands of military and civilian, where is the Muslims fault in that?

LOL what can I say, ........you live in a dreamworld Neo. Muslims peacefull.......in your dreams...burning embassies and killing demonstrating, threatening violence and inihilation, to protest being called Violent.

Get a grip ...........

I just saw the movie FITNA by the dutch politician Geert Wilders. Very well done but very short . It shows the main issue to face, THE KORAN, this is the "fountain" as he says this is where it is all commanded. Now take a look and tell me what you thinbk

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5U6vSvITaM&feature=related
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZUTloCxQ_Q&feature=related

I started projecting maybe 3 or 4 years ago.  Recently I've kinda stopped because it didn't make any sense to me.

Anyway I was talking to my friend last night and he said that he can look at people and sort of identify the person.  Basically each person who is "awake" has a magnetic pull towards light or dark.  If they aren't awake then they aren't pulled towards either.  Well I asked what he saw when he looked at me and he said that I'm definitely awake but that I'm unable to percieve what's good or bad. 
Does anyone else have the same ability as my friend?  Or has anyone had the experiences I have?

I would be careful putting too much faith in your friend. If he has such a gift (which I doubt) he would be much more carefull with his counsel. No offence but I think that your friend is blowing up or imagining this gift quite a bit.

Just my opinion

Regards Mustardseed

you act like these entities can't get you while not in astral...what do you think head aches are?

One time I was dream I walked into a astral monkeys rooms and he attacked me.

I am not sure what you are asking........headaches are for the most part Physiology and as far as monkeys attacking you ....most likely your own fears materialising as a monkey.

Allow me to interject a few observations. I have had many years of experience with concious exits, and find that there are more important things than protection when you project. The most important protection is how you live your life daily.

The chances of you meeting roaming negs or other wildlife is actually very remote. Robert Bruce uses the analogy that it is probably the same chance you have of meeting a shark if you go for a swim.

The way you live your life however, may attract negs as blood in the water, because of the very interesting law of attraction, (like attracts like)

Besides that, if you are filling your minds eye with gore and your imaginations with demons and such, as do many gamers and heavy metal fans, your mind may start acting out its own reality, and you will be battling "demons" for a while to come 

To the pure all things are pure, and living a peaceful balanced life, without too many polutants, be they spiritual or physical, is your best protection.

Regards Mustardseed

How about building a copy of AP Island in SL. It seems to be an obvious and very interesting project. I frequent SL and fing extremely limited referances to AP

Regards Mustardseed

Dear Synergy
Here is one from me. Good luck with your book.


June 21 2006
Laid down on my left side, as I wanted to exit. That works best for me. After having drifted in and out of hypnotic imagery for some 20 min, I had to cough, and became very alert, as I was laying there quietly after having coughed, and then the vibrations started coming. Suddenly my whole body started to relax and I began to fall and suddenly I had astral sight. I decided to experiment and raised my right hand straight out of my body. It was amazing. With a sort of mental exertion I willed my body to stand up and as usual it worked and I got up easily. Everything was peaceful and calm around me. I decided to make sure I was in my room and followed my laid out procedure. There was a book on the table beside the bed on the front of it. It said something in Latin, "bacillum concillium" or something like it. I looked through the book but could not read it, think it was in Latin or something. I looked around, and I realized I was not in my own room.
There was a window at the left, a door across from it and also another door to the right of the bed. The window had no glass pane. The sun was shining through the window, it was beautiful. I went out the door and came into a small hall, took a right and found myself emerging into the street. It was a small street with a pedestrian walkway at each side. The feeling in this place was very peace full, and uncannily calm, not eerie or anything just calm. It was not the golden light that I have seen in other locations, but more a clear summer days feeling, but as soon as I stepped in the street the vibrations started and I got sucked back. As I got sucked back in my body I thought "well that was it" , I was a bit disappointed but very happy. I opened my eyes and looked around I was in my room for sure, then I laid back down and closed my eyes.
To my amazement the vibrations started right away again, I gained astral sight immediately, and stood up beside my bed again. I came out of my body with no break in consciousness and much to my surprise, I was in the same room. This time I decided to do something different, and went through the other door instead, and as I did I came into a small hallway. It looked somewhat like a pension, with a long hallway and rooms on either side. It led toward a glass door maybe 20m down. I wanted to have some fun, and started running toward the door and dove right through the glass into the street. I felt a ripple as I went through the glass pane, and bust into the middle of the street and as I did, I lifted my hands and started to praise God in a very strange song. I was singing all about praise to him and thanked him, I have absolutely no idea why I did that and no idea of what I was saying. The words just kept coming to me, while I was twirling, and rising slowly. Then I started to levitate faster and rose toward the sky, with my hands held up.
As I gained altitude I noticed a band, which was practicing on the balcony or the top of a building to my left. They saw me, and got very exited. I don't know why, but I had the feeling they were having some sort of service or meeting or something because they were all in white. As I flew above them they were looking at me excitedly and kept playing. Then the vibrations started slowly  and I got sucked back again.

As I came back to my body I opened my eyes and looked around to make sure I was in my room. It was very exiting. I just laid real still and closed my eyes again and as I had hoped for, the vibrations came again after few seconds. Getting up was a cinch, and as I got up I looked around. The book was on the table, the doors and the window in place as well, I was back in the same room.
This time I went out the window. I just crawled out into the street, and went toward a small shop some 100 m down the street, on the right. It was a bakery, and there were lots of people going in and out. A girl was on her way out the door, with a white paper bag of bread in her hand, and as I approached her she looked straight at me and smiled, as if she realized who I was or why I was here. It surprised me. She was my height, reddish short hair, and she wore a dark trench coat or something that looked like a trench coat. She started to walk down the road, and I walked with her. As we walked quietly I asked her "Am I in heaven?" She smiled mysteriously and said "yes, but in this place, we all came here by our own hand". It was as if she communicated to me that everyone here was suicide victims. I asked her "does that mean that I am going to one day commit suicide. She turned toward me and smiled and said "no" with a big smile, I asked "Is there another place", she kept walking and started to talk excitedly, it was very mysterious. She said something like "oh yes in ra aum ....wow.... the things that are happening there are wonderfull", the impression was, that she had knowledge of a different location, and what was happening in this different location, but could not go there. It was like she was restricted, but knew about this place....Ra Aum or whatever.

As we walked down the road, it turned left and slightly down hill, and we passed a man in a black dune jacket, wearing a knitted black hat, and sun glasses. He was very surprised to see me, almost stunned. She did not look at me, it was as if she wanted him to go away or not talk to me at least. I wanted to talk more to her, but as soon as we had passed him, he turned and came back to us. He had pulled his hat down in his forehead, and his jacket up, so only his glasses were visible. He was very exited, and grabbed my arm and tugged at it, but I did not want to talk to him, but he was very insistent and kept tugging at me, as if he just had to talk to me and just would not let go, the tugging was not scary but irritating to me, and I started to feel my arm and was reminded of my body and immediately I started to have the vibrations. I knew I could not stay, and as I was being sucked backwards, I kept looking at the girl and she kept smiling at me. As they grew stronger she faded and was gone.
I was back in my body immediately and this time I did not want to go again. I got up to write my diary. I was so exited and happy. It was as if I was floating on a cloud, and coming back was a big let down. The feeling stayed with me for a few hours. A feeling of peace and assurance, as well as excitement. I felt like I had seen something wonderful and her face kept coming to me .

PS Her face kept coming to me for the next 3-4 days. I don't know how but many times a day I would see her standing there smiling cheerfully, with her beautiful eyes, red hair. 

I almost left in the middle of the movie. Did not like it at all. I think that is more due to the subject matter than acting and cinematography. It was well done, but still......no likie......the hybrids were a bit too "comix" like as well. I think it would have worked better with real actors. The only thing that made up for it was the ending.

Welcome NM I cant say I understand what you wrote  but look forward to any posts and explanations you might have to offer. Hope you enjoy the forum

Regards Mustardseed

[A Little Sage Advice To Close On:Question everything, especially the sacred cows of dogma. Always think for yourself. Experiment and learn from all that life has to offer you. Listen to and consider the wisdom of others, and try on their ideas as you might try on a new coat for size. Never buy a new coat just because it seems to fit; it must be practical, within your price range, and look good on you too. And above all, build your own foundation belief system from the wealth of your own personal life experience.]

Dear Tony
Long ago I started a similar topic, as my issues were similar to yours. I practised for years to make the experiences stop and go away, and I for one applaud your effort in mastering this.

This board is populated by people who are working on making OBEs happen, not the other way around, and therefore the risks involved hardly get mentioned.

People experiment with Raising the Kundalini etc and very few people will be up front with the fact that there are many thousands of people who have had severe trauma because of a Kundalini experience.

I believe that OBEs May be similar.

I would encourage you to master your OBEs, in your case it would be to make them stop. I did and it is working well for me.

It is true that fear is a very big problem in OBEs, certainly in the very beginning, but you seem to have been around the Astral block a few times so this is not a problem for you. Whatever you get counselled to do here on the Pulse as well as other places, take it with a grain of salt. It is just peoples opinion. No one will lead you astray here by purpose, most are real fine folks, but their experience and life is not yours, so you will have to find your own way through.

I would suggest you apply Robert Bruce's suggestions in this quote:

A Little Sage Advice To Close On:

Question everything, especially the sacred cows of dogma. Always think for yourself. Experiment and learn from all that life has to offer you. Listen to and consider the wisdom of others, and try on their ideas as you might try on a new coat for size. Never buy a new coat just because it seems to fit; it must be practical, within your price range, and look good on you too. And above all, build your own foundation belief system from the wealth of your own personal life experience.

I would say that this is wise counsel. In your case it would be prudent to learn more about shutting these things down rather than making them increase.

If you agree I should  be glad to offer advise.

Regards Mustardseed

I think you'll find that 'belief in something' or other, be it demons, the objective reality of this or that is not a requirement in either forum, and people of differing points of view will come to both forums for different ways of looking at their experiences.
I think you should consider them complementary, not adversarial- I don't see the point.

well let me explain you the point then. If Demons and various astral wild life is real, they are real for everyone, you and me as well. If they are real they cannot be treated as a fiction of someones mind. They have an agenda, i.e. to feed. They feed on US. I do not think that is complementary.

I know that this is what everyone says, you are all welcome, and it appears that the AP is more open than it used to. However that was not always the case. As I said during the days of Frank people were abused verbally and put down severely if they expressed beliefs that was not "the party line"

The AP took a shift and has chosen the typical New Age approach of, "it is real if it is real to you" relativism, and no absolutes. This brings more people to the table. Remember this is also a bookselling outfit.

Regards Mustardseed

I think one major point is that Robert believes in Demons being real. Astral Wildlife. Whatta ya think

I found it very helpful. It was a catalyst for me. I find that the problem seems to be, that as soon as anyone ventures out, and gives a "no nonsense" sort of explanation, he or she is almost immediately barraged with criticism by others who wants their explanation to be heard instead, who wants to water his viewpoint out with Relativism etc.

I realise that some will say that their explanation is far more open ended and Robert in more traditional, and therefore theirs is more valid, but I disagree, it is still just an explanation. Why can something not be absolute.? To me there is way too much New Age individualism involved, like the guy why was making up his own religion, with different Gods and Goddesses, just making it up, with no fact attached. He was applauded here by some of the same guys that dis Roberts book. Go figure!!

I personally believe Robert has gotten close, in his experiences and I trust him.

There is a tendency, especially here on the AP, to ditch all so called Mystics, in favour of the more scientific fazing approach. This is a leftover from "the days of Frank"

Just an opinion

Regards Mustardseed

Rather interesting ha while he very issue is hardly being addressed nor discussed, there is an abundance of sarcastic commens snide remarks ETC. which tend to divert the attention from the actual subject matter.

I have been attending the AP since the beginning. At that time it was run by Robert Bruce. Robert had ideological differences with Adrian and others on he forum, some believed that his explanation model were too religious, or spiritual you might say, and as a result he was ousted in a coup of sorts. Robert went on to start Astraldynamics.com and still is one of the foremost mystics and explorers in AP alive.

Then came the era of Frank. He played a part in dethroning Robert. He was then the most experienced member by far and very eloquent as well. Anyone who opposed his views were put down ridiculed and basically abused(as much as it is possible on the net) He finally left for health reasons and I think to finish his book.

The list goes on.........

Though there appear to be some degree of maturation in the AP, it still have some of the basic telltale signs of a Cult. Just to clear things for you a Cult does not generally cohere its members or followers to stay, most are there voluntarily,  instead it claims inside knowledge which people want to obtain, so they can be on the "winning side". They willingly align themselves with the party line. Those who do not are ousted or barraged till they do.

Before you denounce this post think it through, and kindly avoid the snide remarks.

Regards Mustardseed

Consider the Karma system. What a stupid idea. It is a very specific tool to make a minority submit to the opinion held by the majority. A punishment of sorts. If all opinions are welcome, why "reward" some and "punish" others. Personally I care as little as a worms fart about it but it is not fitting in a public debate, it is a popularity barometer and has NOTHING to do with weather a statement or argument is right or wrong.   

As for the 'belief system areas' this is also a label, but again it describes observed areas of consciousness. Anyone with just a little experience of the astral will find out pretty soon that 'like attracts like' and that thoughts become manifest in an objective form in these areas of consciousness.
This is a truth. Anyone can observe and experience this for themselves. It therefore comes as no suprise when we observe individuals and indeed whole groups engaged in all kinds of activities in the astral as they are all drawn their by their own thought processes.

Dear Douglas
Thanks for the reply. I guess this is a very big issue. Let me explain my point a bit better. Let me use YOU as an example and the text above.

It is my experience and belief that the more I seem to learn that the more I realise I have no clue. What if....and I say what if.....

Metaphorically the astral realms were a confined very minor area in the Christian Heaven......I am knowingly provoking you here so do not get upset.

What if......all the Christians that would never even consider trying to have an OBE is right and what if those of us that do are misguided and kept in a confined area

another theory , one that I do not believe but nevertheless one that many do believe.

My point is that no matter what WE BELIEVE there has to be an absolute truth a system and I would even go so far as to say a plan of some sort. It seems that whether the universe and astral realm are a organism or a place or whatever there has to be an undisputed reality somewhere.

I find that you are quite rigid in your observations and actually surprise surprise.....a bit on the fundamentalist side  or at least you appear that way when you use terms such as  " Anyone can observe and experience this for themselves" many Christians use this terminology to convert.

Just think about it with an open mind

Regards Mustardseed.

PS Just an added thought. As far as the way things work in the Astral realm, and what you call "a truth",  this could also be a modified truth. Lets say that the Astral realm were a seperate dimension from "heaven", we all know that in space gravity is not in effect to the same degree as on earth, so it is possible that the Astral Realm has its own "rules" but that these are not universal. It is my opinion that you are too cock sure of what you appear to know.

I would agree with Awakened Mind that Truth is objective. There is such a thing as truth. The universe is made or evolved or a bit of both, but it is here so it came to be by some process.....that is the truth, even if it is only a fiction in our mind.......still that then is the truth. Within the astral pulse beliefsystem, the different focus areas and beliefsystem territories are thought of as truth, yet no one really knows. It continues to amaze me that some seem to reject this point and still insist on their viewpoint their experience is a universal truth for all. Odd as it mighyt seem, being a Christian I seem to accept the fact that my faith is a personal belief and could be wrong. far easier than many AP folks or even new ageers who embrace me by telling me how MY faith fits inside theirs. They are all just theories but there is a TRUTH. Maybe we will never find it maybe we will maybe some will never find it maybe some have.How one perceives the various glimpses we all get is subjective, what we believe is subjective , but there is a truth.

Regards Mustardseed

I think this is great. Everyone should be free to follow their own path. The mainstream religions will always have a go at you and accuse you of 'pick n mix' but only because they want you to follow their particular brand of religion... don't worry about it.. remember that even they cannot agree with each other on what brand of their own religion to follow... witness the myriad christian sects out there, all of whom think that their interpretation is the correct one.

Follow you own brand of religion/path. It's just as valid.. remember that all religions started somewhere. You faith is just as valid as you have arrived at it through your own personal experience. They will call it pick n mix... I would call it 'personal refinement'.

Hi Gandalf
Long time no talkie talkie. I just read your post and wanted to ask you further about your point of view. If I understand you right you see no problem with people "making up" their own religion.

How does that jive with what you know about religions in general. If people make things up , simply make them up not based on anything but a fancy and certainly not fact, how do you see that helping the world, or the cause of truth.

I fully believe and agree that people should feel free to believe what they want that is the agnostic for you, but to make up things..........well it just seems ridiculous to me. A sort of argument for the sake of argument.

Freedom of expression for the sake of freedom of expression. This was exactly what was the issue in the case of the Muhammad drawings......Just because ones religion or beliefsystem allows irony and depicting the religion of others as inferior, is it a human right that have to be exercised. Hope you understand my point. Ethically it seems wrong.

Regards Mustardseed

you say it does not matter if i never heard of him, well let me tell you ............it does. This wholeidea is so utterly ludicrous, how can something God said ever be copyrighted. If it is The intellectual property of Niele then it was his idea, and not from God in the first place, when did he actually publish his conversations cause I have been doing this a long time. In any case its absolutely bull....and so sad that this is what the world has come to. Its like suing Santa in that movie. Ha

God would like to have a conversation with you about that, Mustardseed.  Neal would appreciate if you would find your own technique.  If you are not Neal Donald Walsch and you did copy that from one of his books, you need to refer to the copyright.

Hi there

I am already having a conversation with him and surprisingly he never mentioned anything about that at all
As far as referring to copyright, and finding my own style or whatever, for your information I never heard about  Niele Walsh till long after this thread had been started, and I have certainly not copied anything from any book.

I do not expect you to believe that, seeing you have already judged me with your previous statement, but to tell you the truth my friend ..............I am really not very interested in wether you believe that or not. I just chat with God the way I always have and always will. You should try it

Regards Mustardseed

Some people define a cult as a group that tries to somehow brainwash people into their point of view, by cohesion. In this case that Big Mac is the "saviour" and Whopper is the "enemy". A rather ridiculous example of cause. However I do find that The AP is very top heavy, or at least have been in the past. Some of you new folks have not seen this in action, but some of of those who have been here a while have. Many people have left the board because of this issue. 

There has been several attempts of hostile take overs and a very consentrated harassment of folks who did not follow the "party line"

As I said lets define Cult and discuss it

Well I beg to differ. In some ways the AP is (IMHO) indeed a cult, or at least it "behaves" as a cult would behave. There are wrongs and rights in "this community" , and it is difficult to be a follower "in standing" unless certain views are shared. I would however draw a line and question what is wrong with that. One could argue that Mc Donalds is the CULT of the Big Mac.


Lets define and then ask questions

Interesting observation, but not entirely new . Let me first ask you, on what you support that notion, and what you define as Witchcraft

I was going to comment but thought the better of it

Actually this is very much like some Hindues argue. They kall it Karma. In other words Fatalism. I am what I am I cannot and will not fight against it. I will do what I want to do whatever my fancy is, and I am not really responsible.......I am programmed this way.

This seems to advocate a common disregard for social rules, norms, and cultural codes, as well as a almost impulsive behavior, and indifference to the rights and feelings of others. Would you say that you believe that this is a good thing.

Regards Mustardseed