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Maybe so.  I too have  wondered about consciousness affecting reality more on the sub-atomic level.  But do you really think that billions of people believe in a real Santa Claus or other mythical figures?  I know a handful of kids who do. Most of them will soon get over it.   But are there enough left to affect the collective consicousness over generations?  DH

I'd say across Western Europe, the amount of believers in Santa would be in the tens of millions. And this would be pure unadulterated, absolute belief of children. Then there are the billions who believe in archetypes from their religions.

 I beg to differ here.  Santa brings my kid loads of crap we can't afford every year.  Through us.  Santa is an archetype.  And as any good archetype, Santa manifests as people in the parents, institutions, charity organizations that give gifts to people that don't have the $.  As I have said before, manifestation doesn't have to be of the 'magical' kind.  

I agree here 100% . Belief directs action, and in the examples you gave such belief manifests itself in the physical through physical action. I'm a very positive person in life, and even through bad times, I know things will turn out for the best, and they do. I'm unsure if this is belief altering reality in a 'none physical ' way, or if my demeanour affects those around me, and consequently the situations I find myself within reflect the positive attitude I put out.

     I think that if the collective consciousness of humanity was tuned in to believe in a Mayan event in 2012 something would happen to equal the expectation.  As it is, I'm wondering if the average person around the world has even heard of it.  I hadn't until I started reading posts on this forum.  DH

I would believe this if Santa manifested each 25 Dec and other belief driven figures were created by the sheer weight of belief. I don't intend this to come across in the wrong way - just that certain figures hold the belief of billions, yet, they never manifest. I'm reaching the conclusion that consiousness might only be able to affect reality on sub-atomic levels (if at all), and such changes are infrequent in terms of sub-atomic interactions over time..

I find it increasingly interesting how in recent times more and more of the traits which we thought seperated us from animals are actually being found within animals.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6387611.stm

When did they do that show? I'm a fan. Must have been a recent episode.

I'm not too sure when it was. I usually catch them on Bravo (uk) and it was during the most recent series I think.

Unfortunately the mythbusters often overlook small but very important details that greatly change the outcome. Such as when they tested the myth about the jet airplane blowing a truck off a nearby highway. For a vehicle they chose a neon, one of the most aerodynamic vehicles. They kept upgrading the jets they were blowing on it and wondering why the car wasnt taking off flying (even though the paint was peeling), I just shook my head. They were unable to replicate it even though they had a video of a truck being being blown off the road by a jet plane. There is quite a few episodes like that.
There could be many small but important reasons they failed to reproduce the results, its a lot more delicate experiment to give yogurt a lie detector test than to blow a car over.

Thinking about it, they actually conducted a series of experiments. The yoghurt experiment involved removing parts of the yoghurt culture, and then subjecting the removed culture to harmful and pleasurable conditions (such as high heat, or giving it sugar). The original culture was monitored to see if any sympathetic changes occurred. None did.
They then reproduced the plant experiment, and finally, one involving eggs. Each time the results came back negative.
In all these experiments there is definitely room for error, so their results shouldn't be taken as absolute – but it does give reason for caution about the results of the original experiments (I've been looking for successful reproduction of these experiments, but found nothing as yet).
Something I intended to mention earlier was an AP experience a long time ago. I was riding on a train, napping, and felt conditions conducive to projection. The projection itself wasn't completely immersive; I had body awareness and awareness of the astral at the same time. I was still seeing the train journey, but the trees lining the tracts had changed. They were now a pinkish colour, but rather than organic, they were crystalline. Like huge growths of vibrating crystal. It was a lot more than this – but words are a bit poor at translating such experiences. This gave me the idea that plants might have more akin with crystals than organic life forms with nervous systems.

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Please stop refering to aura photography as Kirlian photography. It's getting annoying and it's very wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography

To quote your reference:

In controversial metaphysical contexts, Kirlian photography, Kirlian energy, and so on, are sometimes referred to as just "Kirlian." Kirlian made controversial claims that his method showed proof of supernatural auras,

An experiment advanced as evidence of energy fields generated by living entities involves taking Kirlian contact photographs of a picked leaf at set periods, its gradual withering being said to correspond with a decline in the strength of the aura.

Kirlian proposed and promoted the idea that the resulting images of living objects were a physical proof of the life force or aura which allegedly surrounds all living beings.

Your source is using the terms aura photography and Kirlian photography interchangeably. The inventor of Kirlian photography claimed Kirlian photography captured auras, and it has been extensively used as proof that auras existed. Moreso, simply entering "aura photography" into google shows all the top results are about Kirlian photography.

The difference between what? Between Valerie Hunt and aura photography or aura photography and Kirlian photography?

The difference between the techniques Valerie Hunt used to capture her aura videos and the techniques used in Kirlian photography (aura photography).

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That's no Kirlian phootography. Kirlian photography has nothing to do with Valerie Hunt.
I did a bit of a search on the Internet and can't see anything debunking her. I'm not sure about Kirlian photography at the moment. It seems to have been expalined away fairly well by materialistic science but still there are some experiments I've read about that seem to indicate something else.

Please explain the difference between Hunt's work and Kirlian photography, heres a quote for those who don't know:

Where did this advanced technology begin?

Dr. Valerie Hunt, one of the leading researchers of the University of California at Los Angeles, was a pioneer in the advanced study of the human aura and biofeedback in the 1970's and 1980's. She says: "The important part of this technology is the correlation process between the measured bio-data and specific states of mind, body and energy from the client."

Basically what Dr. Hunt did at UCLA was to hook up her subjects with sophisticated biofeedback sensors. At the same time, clairvoyant healers and sensitive's were watching the subject to describe the actual aura around the subject. Even the physical body was hidden, so the sensitive could only see an aura, which supposedly extended beyond the physical body.  The measured bio-data was then compared to the descriptions of the aura colors, shapes and visual patterns by the sensitive's. Dr. Hunt found specific bio-data would appear on the monitor, the sensitive would  "see" the correlating aura color around the subject. This research was groundbreaking and confirmed, for the first time, a direct relationship between the human body and the human aura. In technical terms, the psycho-physiological data measured through biofeedback clearly correlates with aura colors around a subject as described by sensitive's.

So she hooked her subjects up to GSV and biofeedback devices. She correlated various biofeedback values to colours. She overlaid these colours using software on the person whose aura she was taking.
Kirlian photography by comparison is hooking subjects up to a GSV biofeedback device, correlating biofeedback values with colours, and then overlaying these colours using software on the person whose aura is being.

For more information:

What is the difference between Aura Video Images and Kirlian Photography?



Kirlian Photography uses a high voltage setup to display the corona or energy around fingers or feet. Basically you place your fingers on an electric plate and after you get a light shock a corona around your finger shows up on the photo paper. There are huge differences in the quality of Kirlian devices starting from a few hundred dollars to very expensive systems. The professional systems will give you valuable information about a client's energetic state. Kirlian requires extensive training, because it is very complex and often difficult for practioners and also clients to understand. An in-depth knowledge of the meridian/acupuncture system in the body and a long experience with the specific Kirlian equipment is necessary to use for medical and therapeutic work.

Inneractive's Aura Video Systems do not use Kirlian technology but rather biofeedback "measuring" device to detect and measure bio-data. We do not stimulate clients with high voltage, but only measure the energy flow and activity in the body.



Aura Video Systems have many advantages over a Kirlian device:

High quality color full-body aura chakra photos and aura photo headshots.

Up to 22 page aura chakra reports in 12 languages.

A wide range of features and applications not found on Kirlian devices.

Much easier to use and understand for the clients' wellness.

More visual, therefore client understands the process and analysis better.

No electric shock or stimulation.

Computerized system works on PC and laptop.

Very easy to operate, no calibration or intuitive adjustment necessary.

  Colorful and visual pleasing graphic and display.

The difference is purely semantics.

Some comments:  There have been experiments done on galvanic skin response on plants (done by the guy who discovered/invented the process, whose name escapes me), in which there was a sharp change in reading when the experimenter spoke or thought about pruning said plant.  So it appears that there is some sort of reaction to the thought of doing violence against the plant.  I would go as far as to deduce from that, given the readings to be correct, that plants don't like to be pruned, even if it's for their own good.

I know not a journaled source, but these experiments were recreated on a TV show called myth busters to stringent scientific standards (they used various plants as well as other biological mater such as yogurt cultures). Their experiments didn't see any response from the plants in any of the experiments. At first there was seeming response to certain stimulus, but it was discovered that this was due to vibration and so they put the plants into a sealed room and no response was noted.
This makes me slightly dubious of the originals findings. lol, I know, playing the cynic again :p

I have a couple of questions and a comment- Gee, where to start...
(I've seen the pix but had no idea how they were done, so bear with me here):  Did she color in the galvanic skin response in to create the 'corona effect', or was the coloring based on actual emitted emf or resistance effect?

Hey CF ,

As far as I am aware, the colouring is based on a set of values gained from the GSR. The colours were chosen by the creators of the kirlian cameras – although different people might use different colours. These colours are the overlaid on the photograph with software.

And, do you say it was 'debunked' because the visual effect is coming from her interpretation, or because the effects were based on physiological effects?

I mean debunked in regards to the camera actually showing a true energy field surrounding the body which matches current belief in the aura. That is, we have this energetic envelope surrounding is which displays our health, and is radiated out as an unknown energy form which can be seen by psychic people.

The reason I ask is because ancient 'energy' healing systems were theorized in antiquity based on their understanding of how things work (for example, indian 'chakras', chinese 'meridians', etc.)
In modern times we can correlate the endocrine system with the chakra system, and for example, Dr. Pert has correlated endorphin pathways on the body that correlate with chinese chi meridians.) 
My point is; does something have to be 'paranormal' to be valid?

Regarding auras, I think too little thought is given firstly to the incomprehensibly powerful computer that is the brain, and secondly, millions of years of evolution and through that, our ability to gauge detailed information about a person from even imperceptive body language changes.
I can quite easily see how the mass of information we gather unconsciously about those around us can be mapped to abstractions such as an aura colour system – and then through belief, allowing such perceptions to infringe on visual sight (I've direct experience of how such things can infringe on life from living with HPPD for the past 10 years).
I do believe the chakra system and even aura system has merits, and can be utilised to create change within. It's more working with abstractions than solid figures and values – which the brain seems to love. I just don't believe the aura system or chakra system has any reality outside of the belief we give it. But with anything, this is my belief .

Yes that is the common arguement, but that does not work, I am truely empathetic. I do think about the animal, but through my experiences I know that plant life is even more aware of its mortality than animals. You cut a road through a forest and the whole forest beleives it's next, theyre actually quite the drama queens. Science also backs up this claim.

I supose this is an old hornets nest I shouldnt be stirring up, but I dont see why people should obsess about not eating any animal products.

But the above is a matter of opinion. Personifying plant matter does not give it the same awareness as humans. In a biological sense, a nervous system is needed to suffer, and specific emotions are the products of various neurotransmitters. As planets don't have either, and the fact that the vast majority of plants we eat have evolved to be eaten as a way of scattering their offspring. Eating a plant is definitely a lot less
Morally wrong than eating an animal, in fact, if a plant has evolved to be eaten as a method or propagation, it could be considered morally right.
Regarding emotions, there is a tendency to project what we experience onto others and even into the astral itself. We can't truly know if emotions experienced in the astral are just echoes of learnt responses from physical life – such as maintain a sex or human body shape are. Perhaps in the furthest astral, away from the human belief systems, emotions are gone and consciousness just is. But this is another discussion entirely.

*Animal cruelty (captive animals etc)- you know mass soy production is one of the main causes of the destruction of the amazon? (I know, a terrible irony... but the truth) many plants themselves are just as mistreated as the animals (chemicals, gene alteration, captivity). But more basic than that; both plant and animal products can be bought organic and freerange. So animal cruelty really doesnt hold.

My only argument to this is while yes, plant production can be destructive, it doesn't have to be. Whereas any form of meat consumption will always be intrinsically cruel.
It seems empathy is a desired attribute, and if one was truly empathic to life around them, the consumption of meat would weigh heavily upon them due to the suffering caused to precure it.

she didnt use camaras she used different equipment from nasa that records the biomagnetic field of things

Can you provide some more details on the technology she used? All information concerning Valerie Hunt centres around her extensive use of Kirlian photography (of which she included many photos in her book 'Infinite Mind').

A very very interesting book for those interested in these things is called: '13 Steps to Mentalism' by Corinda. If you do read this, be prepared to have your illusions shattered as you find even the most amazing feats of mindreading/cold reading have their roots in very ordinary and mundane techniques. Such techniques take a long time to master, but they are purely physical.

The guidance in hemi-sync is very useful, while it does impart guidance; it also teaches a lot of very useful techniques (energy conversion box, resonant energy balloon, resonant breathing, energy breathing, to name a few). The guidance also helps imprint triggers based upon the techniques it teaches and suggestion, so you learn to associate the states induced by the binaural beats to a specific trigger. This allows one, over  time, to achieve states conduce to OBEs very quickly.
If you use the gateway series regularly over time the results can be amazing. Some things to note is that while the Gateway series is geared towards opening perception and gaining the ability to induce OBEs, it's rare to experience an OBE while listening to an actual session. It builds the tools for you yourself to gain the ability to OBE (with practice); it also builds triggers so you can achieve various states of consciousness F10, F12 etc quickly. It teaches in a way so the CDs do not become a crutch to achieving OBE.
They are expensive, but are very useful in my own experience.

I haven't heard of these experiments, where did you hear of them? The only similar experiments I know of were carried out by Dr. Duncan MacDougall, and he weight bodies as they died. He concluded that the body loses a certain wegith on death, and so thats how much the soul weighs. There have been a lot of threads on this. it should be noted that the results are in question:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_obe_discussions/why_so_difficult_to_scientifically_prove-t23496.0.html;msg198646#msg198646

The Earth has always had a wobble. Ever since the Moon formed the Earth has had a wobble. In fact the last major tilt was just 2,000 years ago, and the Mayan callender was written sometime around 700-1500 years ago as far as I know.

Yup, http://www.museum.state.il.us/exhibits/ice_ages/tilt_graph.html . Don't quote me on it, but I think it has been found that the Earth has 2 wobbles. One takes a vey long term to cycle, the other is shorter (but still takes a long time).

That article shows just how tough it is to get anything peer reviewed which sits outside the bounds of current science theory. With the newer sciences (like to) think that things are changing slightly in this regard.

Hey severum,

Welcome to the forum . There is definately a lot to take in, just go at your own pace and post any questions might have. I hope you enoy your time here.

it doesn't matter, if the total sum of the people stopped thinking about earth, then the earth would disappear, the same thing if every one started to think about a heavenly earth, it would manifest.

If this were true, life as we know it would have been stifled before the molten crust solidified to start the process of life on this planet. The universe would be reduced to what we can see (where it is clearly not), and the world would be a radically different placed based upon belief held by the majority (where it is not).
Except in the most basic of circumstances, belief does not have any major impact on physical reality as a whole - only on our perception and understanding of physical reality.

It is one of my all time favorite films!!  I can watch it over and over and never tire of it.  I named my cat Fezzic,  hehe.. yes, I'm a huge fan of the Princess Bride. 

That Vizzini, he can *fuss*.
Fezzik: Fuss, fuss... I think he like to scream at *us*.
Inigo Montoya: Probably he means no *harm*.
Fezzik: He's really very short on *charm*.
Inigo Montoya: You have a great gift for rhyme.
Fezzik: Yes, yes, some of the time.
Vizzini: Enough of that.
Inigo Montoya: Fezzik, are there rocks ahead?
Fezzik: If there are, we all be dead.
Vizzini: No more rhymes now, I mean it.
Fezzik: Anybody want a peanut?
Vizzini: DYEEAAHHHHHH.

ahah

Dead like me is a very interesting show.  But everytime I see the head guy, the guy that hands out the post-its, I hear...  "Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father prepare to die."

Wow, Princess Bride fan?? I'm impressed to you come out with his line  very few people I speak to about it know what i'm on about  It's an amazing film! 

You know I saw it on the scifi channel but thought it was a movie.  You mean I've been missing the series?   

I missed it on sci-fi, but skyone recently showed it again over 3 weeks. Definitely catch it again if there is a repeat.

I saw it by parts, and I did see the end of that one- when he sees the daughter again. (I won't say any more)  I guess I'll have to start paying attention to TV more these days.

I love shows which are fantastical yet, not completely outside the realms of possibility (Admittedly, the effects of the objects are quite outlandish, but still...  ).

I have a couple of new favorite shows but never know when they're on. (Have you seen 'Dead Like Me'?)
Ok, enough rambling. I have work to do but see where I am...

I've caught a few bits of Dead Like Me, usually when I'm switching over to watch something, but what I've seen looks interesting. Will have to keep an eye out for when its on .

I think that a group should get together and do their own experiments and see what they get.  It would be interesting to see if there is a difference from a skeptic's results to a 'believer's ' result.  Provided the skeptic is a real skeptic (that is, open- minded enough to do their own study) and see what they get.

Definately, i'd like to see the results of such a study too .

I stated earlier that I'm not look for infalliable, scientific proof or whatnot. I have my beliefs, but on an objective viewpoint, I just want to know where do this beliefs come from and what causes people to continue to say they exist?  I have done my own work, and had my own experiences, but sometimes they can mislead you. Out sheer curiousity and interest I want to know WHY do YOU think chakras exist. It doesn't have to make sense to you. I have my own reasons for asking.

Hi Darkcloud, there was a similar thread recently on this subject:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_energy_body_development/basis_of_chakras-t25387.0.html

debunked by scientists or people in general?

why?

Debunked by scientists and people in general.

Living things...are moist. When the electricity enters the living object, it produces an area of gas ionization around the photographed object, assuming moisture is present on the object. This moisture is transferred from the subject to the emulsion surface of the photographic film and causes an alternation of the electric charge pattern on the film. If a photograph is taken in a vacuum, where no ionized gas is present, no Kirlian image appears. If the Kirlian image were due to some paranormal fundamental living energy field, it should not disappear in a simple vacuum (Hines 2003).

If you search on this, you will see these cameras are more a visual interpretation (an interpretation by whoever wrote the algorithms) of galvanic skin response than a picture of an aura. THe aura on the photo is imposed due to the resitence experienced when passing a current across the skin.

The show revolves around a group of mundane objects which can do extraordinary things. The objects are things such as a pen, which can burn people alive, a comb which can stop time for around 10 seconds, a bus ticket which, when touched to a persons head it immediately teleports them to a remote part of route 66 and a pencil which creates a single cent each time it is tapped on a table. These objects are indestructible.
A lot of objects still have unknown abilities, people simply haven't discovered how to activate them or what they do. For example, the watch simply cooks an egg when it is placed in its strap loop.
When objects are placed together, they have different effects, so the watch and the knife seem to imbue the user with telepathic abilities. The combinations are almost limitless and the vast majority are unknown.
It also seems that objects can sense each other, so object carriers frequently meet other object carriers. It seems they want to be reunited.
The most valued object is a key. The key will open any door with a barrel lock, but any door opened with it leads to a specific room. This is the 'Lost Room' from the title. The Lost room seems to be a motel room somewhere on route 66. Every object which exists originally came from the Lost Room, which accounts for their reality bending abilities. If a normal object (or person) is left in the lost room when the key holder leaves it, they vanish, and the room resets itself to its previous state. Only the objects don't vanish, but they do move to their original position.
Objects don't function in the room; they behave just like normal objects.
As well as any door opening to the lost room with the key, the lost room's door can be opened to any door in the world. As long as you are familiar with the surroundings of the door, you can go there.
It seems some event happened at the location of the room in 1961 at a specific time which wiped it from reality, and somehow gave it its amazing properties (and created the objects in the room). No one knows what happened, and simply refer to this as 'The Event'.
Due to the great power of the objects, various cabals have sprung up, attempting to gather all the objects together. Some of them believe the objects are evil, and wish to destroy them, others believe the objects are from God. Some believe God died in the Lost room and the objects are pieces of him/her, others believe the objects will allow them to communicate with God, while others believe gathering all the objects to the room will make them become God.
The series revolves around a cop who gets hold of the key and discovers what it does. Unfortunately his daughter is in the room when it resets, so she vanishes. So the series follows the cop as he learns about the objects, discovers the history of the room and the cabals, and tried to find a way to bring his daughter back. He believes that a certain combination of objects will be able to get her back from the room. There is also a reported prime object, which can control all other objects.
I won't ruin any of the plot, but will say it is an amazingly creative and inventive show. I really hope they make it into a full series.