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Andali

My Tip is that you learn to Lucid dream since that is easier to achieve and there are a lot of good techniques around. Once you can LD you stay aware when the dream ends that way you can induce a OBE much more comfortable then from the waking state. Once you did that you know how it should feel and what state you have to be in plus you know that it is possible and how to do it. Then you can start to try to regular techniques again.

At least thats the way I a had success

I do not want to hook you up with any thing you don't like but the way describe your life it souds like a perfect way of living in a Buddhistic way of thinking.

So my suggestion would be to check if there is any vipassanna Meditation group close to you and to check them out. You may find some very nice people there with smilar interests.

There are dfintely more people like you around, you just have to find them!

[Bangladesh]

LOL! I would not publicly post the real number.

I clearly stated that was an "example" of what the number looked like. With parenthesis, and with a dash.

Another clue in my post that it wasn't the "real" number is that it was a Tampa Florida area code. And 555 is NOT the Tampa Florida area code.

In my country, it is common to substitute "5's" for any telephone number you don't want to reveal.

I was very aware of the fact that it was an example but I figured that the real number looked similar in structure. I wasn't aware of the fact that it is common in Bangladesh  to substitute 5's for other numbers, though.

Thanks for the lesson Leyla.

Markulous, I'm also a little bored in my LD/OBE I guess our experiences are a lot a like.

My future goal will be the following:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18538&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

So basically leave the "normal" dream/OBE enviroment, Frank gives some detailed infos on how to do and I would be cool if somebody else would work on it. Maybe you find delight in the same endeavour, If you do please feed your experiences back on the thread mentioned.

BTW: you should start to meditate again, it's a gift.

I would assume that other people visited FoC 4 before Frank and that they came up with different names for it, so it seems quite possible that FoC 4 corresponds with one of these planes. I would check how Frank describes FoC 4 and compare that with the descriptions of the buddhic and atmic planes etc....... and see if something fits.

Yeah, but you were only about the fifth person to suggest I play the lottery. Here is an example of what it looked like:
1 (555) 555-5555. Clearly a telephone number.

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If thats how it looked then I would doubt that you perceived the number correctly. why is that? because the same number repets itself so may times. Probably the real number was 15 or 55 or 155 and your subc. assumed it was a phone number and turned it into 15555555555 ?!

Just a thought..........

I had a couple of lucid dreams were I played basketball. i usually can dunk the ball which feels great (can't dunk in reality) The funny thing is that I dunked the ball so many times in dreams that I seriously thought I can dunk it in Reality! I once stood on a basketball court for 15 minutes just tring to figure out if I have ever dunked the ball in Reality or not.

there are basketball courts in Switzerland i mean you're clubs and national team kind of khm suck sorry it was stronger then me, had to wrote it, sorry again

The fact that Croatia has I better national team then Switzerland doesn't mean I wouldn't kick your butt on the court

I had a couple of lucid dreams were I played basketball. i usually can dunk the ball which feels great (can't dunk in reality) The funny thing is that I dunked the ball so many times in dreams that I seriously thought I can dunk it in Reality! I once stood on a basketball court for 15 minutes just tring to figure out if I have ever dunked the ball in Reality or not.

[Amen]

Amen

Hahaha! I see........

I won't get into this anymore. I simply can say your calculations are totally wrong and that I believe if one does a experiement one should also interpret the results carefully. But since it is not my experiment...........whatever

Telos: I can assure you my calculation is correct. I explained a bit more about statistics on the following thread:
http://www.astralsociety.com/as/Forum//index.php?topic=6666.100

Just in case you are interested.

Take care Tom

The odds to picks the right suit is 1/4 the odds to picks the right suit 2 times sequently is 1/4*1/4=1/16 and so on......in order to obtain a greater then 1/500 chance you need to guess the suit right 5 times:
1/4*1/4*1/4*1/4*1/4=1/1024

Could be that you knew the girl in an earlier Life and now the two of you try to reconnect? Just a thought..........

Just an thought:

the difference between phasing and Meditation could be that with phasing one tries to engage with something while during meditation one tries to simply observe without enganging.

Why do you guys fear Spirituality? The way I see Spirituality it is Life!
Life = Spirituality!

Lol I see your point Stillwater, If we would have been talking face to face we probably would have discorved within 2 minutes that we have the same opinion. lol

You know I just feel sometimes we should decide sth. according to instinct and me instinct (as yours) tells me "forget the storms"

So Diamond:

-usually forming same formation
- usually unlear geometric shape
-edges usually not sharpe
-the diamonds as such are not increasing in complexity if you will dig out a diamond in 1850 it will not be less complex then an other one you dig out 2050.

But of course your point is correct we can not rule out any option by 100% certitude. It could also be Santa Claus doing the circles

The diamond example was not my idea of a universally accepted match, but any of those points could be argued either way based upon what one's bent was to believe; for example, in terms of thermodynamic entropy, the more material added, which can be understood as a funciton of time, the more possibility for novel and unique arrangement of particles; that was the angle from which I was judging "complexitiy", but it of course depends on your basic definitions of several terms, which, of course, are not universal, and should not be forced to be such.

I understnad your argument, but I think you understand mine too now, in that we can each agree that no one knows with certainty where they are coming from, despite the fact that most of us, myself included, believe that extra-terrestrial influences seem rather likely.

Bad weather makes crop circles...? LOL
Either he is blind or he is just joking.

no, not joking, lol-  only stating that there are alternative explanations, regardless of the apparent implausibility of these other answers.

PEACE!

Stllwater, wouldn't you say that in order to make progress in a matter it is not a good solution to say "Everything is possible" but rather pick the theories that make the most sense and dismiss those that don't make much sense? My point is that storm theory doesn't make much sense. It maybe true that all of the geometric figures that appear in crop fields appear in nature too (although I do not think so "alien face" etc) still that is no reason to assume that  a strom created them. It is true that all elements found in the Pyramids are found in nature too, still nobody would argue that the pyramids were build by storms. Storms happen in air, air behaves like a liquid it can create circles flows and vortexes and such, it can't create shapes like triangles etc. Have you ever seen a triangle storm? probably not, therefore it is quite illogical to see a triangle in a field and then say "probably created by a strom" IMO

About the Diamonds: What I meant was that the different formations grow more complex over time, not that one single formation grows more complex over time. Your argumentation with the diamonds talks about one single diamond, so no match.

Take care Tom

For anybody really interested: I have read dozens of books on meditation. By far the most  comprehensibly is "mindfulness in plain english". it is fairly short and very clearly writen. You can take a look inside at Amazon and read Chapter 3 "what meditation is" it starts on page 29. Every body wanting to know what meditation is should take 5 minutes and read thru chaper 3 then he'll have an idea. To do that just scroll an the book then type in 29 into the search form that will take you to page 29 at page 31 you won't be able to read further. simply open up the link again and this time search for 31 to go to page directly. This way you can read the whole chapter.


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0861713214/qid=1121257468/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_ur_1/002-4716951-5712851?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

I think I have a good  understanding of what meditation means, that is meditation in Buddhism. It took me about 5 years of practice to get it really. I do not know if I can describe it clearly in short words. i try:

Meditation is done to gain wisdom. The idea is that you gain insight into the nature of things by observing them closely enough.
Actually you simply observe the present moment mindfully in a passive manner.
The goal is to see the present moment as it is, so one tries to be as AWAKE as possible, you do NOT actively do anything with the things that appear in your mind, you just observe it, this is very difficult do do. You do not attach any concept to the things you observe. Because if you do anything at all with the sensations that appear in your mind you will miss the actual sensation and create something new. You want that your mind meets the sensation directly and powerful so it can reveal it's true nature. In order to do that you must be able to focus your mind on something at least in the beginning. But basically you can mediate the whole day while walking, talking, eating etc. it is just extremely difficult, therefore you train it by observing your breath.

You want to be like a mirror, everything just reflects in your mind but as a mirror you do not do anything with the "images" that appear within you. usually the mind attaches labels to things you want to stop that in  meditation. stop it. focus the mind to one object and observe it mindfully.

That's is how I would try to describe mediation in short words. Don't know if that  makes sense to anybody else then myself.

Frank: I think to truly understand what meditation is one needs to do it

......never producing the same formation twice? never leave a unfinished formation? Never leave a unclear formation, always clear edges, unbroken stems,never been observed while happening? completely unknown to mankind? increasing in complexity over time? common? you guys must be kidding! There is no such thing in nature show me one thing in nature that has this attributes! I would bet 1000$ that you can not find such a thing.........

A diamond.


I do not think that diamonds in nature do have strict geometrical forms, definitely most of the time they don't, If they do they will always form the same configuration due to their atomar grid configuration.

So Diamond:

-usually forming same formation
- usually unlear geometric shape
-edges usually not sharpe
-the diamonds as such are not increasing in complexity if you will dig out a diamond in 1850 it will not be less complex then an other one you dig out 2050.

But of course your point is correct we can not rule out any option by 100% certitude. It could also be Santa Claus doing the circles

Maybe it seemed more important to them to time the blasts with the opening of the G8?

Your welcome

No a Diamond does not met this criterion at all. You probably shouldn't forget that the diamonds you buy for a wedding ring are crafted/ground by mankind

I'm not dogmatic just reasonable IMO

Hey NAB

You should take a look at the link I provided!

MILD is as follows, although I usually do it a little shorter then that. try for yourself and find out what works. i usually just go back to bed and repete in my mind that I will have a LD with as much emphasis as possible

Mnemonic Induction of Lucid Dreams (MILD)
Created by: Dr. Stephen LaBerge, Ph.D

This technique is quite effective and had has helped many people step over the threshold from physical to dreaming.

1. Find a position that works for you and that you can easily and comfortably fall asleep.

2. Relax (Refer to the Relaxation section above this)

3. Repeat to yourself as you fall asleep: "I will wake up after every dream period and I will remember my dream" Believe that you will wake up after each dream you have. (The first time I've tried this it has worked moderately well; another way you could do this is set your alarm, but practice makes perfect)

4. When you wake up write down your dream immediately. Even if you can barely remember anything, write down how the dream made you feel, or how you felt when you woke up.

5. Lie down and drift back to sleep. Imagine that you are back in the dream that you just had. This time, however, imagine that you saw a dreamsign in your dream and recognized it. As you fall asleep keep visualizing yourself in your dream, recognizing your dreamsign, and realizing that you are in a dream. (Note: try not to let your mind wonder on this step as well as step 3)

6. Repeat steps 4 and 5 every time that you awaken during the night.

Reality checks are one of the weakest methods to induce LD. For some people they do work/ for others they don't.. I would say it is only useful to use it as a additional method combined with some things like MILD or WiLD. I did reality checks for a month every hour, didn't have one LD! With other methods I was able to induce as much as 14 LD's a month, If something doesn't work after 10 days I would say change the strategy. different methods are to be found here:

http://www.dreamviews.com/tutorials.php

my best method get up after about 7 hours of sleep write down dream then go back to bed doing MILD or WILD.

Good luck Tom