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[12The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13For we were all baptized by[3] one Spirit into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free--and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 16And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20As it is, there are many parts, but one body. 21The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you!" And the head cannot say to the feet, "I don't need you!" 22On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it. 27Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues. 29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[4] ? Do all interpret? 31But eagerly desire[5] the greater gifts. And now I will show you the most excellent way.]

quote:Originally posted by Allanon


12The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13For we were all baptized by[3] one Spirit into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free--and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
14Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 16And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
21The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you!" And the head cannot say to the feet, "I don't need you!" 22On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
27Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues. 29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[4] ? Do all interpret? 31But eagerly desire[5] the greater gifts.
And now I will show you the most excellent way.

That quote would be much wiser in context to the body of all humanity rather than the body of one single organization.
Religions (real realigion, not dogmatic mainstream crap) are all just different colored doors to the same basic truth about the divine self. They are the vessel you assume through which you are able to discover your own true personal reality.

What about the Kabala o wise one?

He posted a GI Joe link. You sure this isn't someone's idea of a bad joke -_-

If so, it was hook line and sinker.

Mars is coming to your birthday party. UNINVITED.

quote:Originally posted by beavis

Whatever is going to happen, I hope it starts soon. I'm getting bored.

indeed

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

Christianity is the One True Religon and all others are counterfeits.

Christianity is just a sad ripoff of truth at the hands of the profane, end of story. Everything points to that as the real truth.

Thank you for that post Gandalf, it was some great insight.

quote:Originally posted by Gandalf

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You're right! The greek word used is 'aeon' which has variable meanings (usually 1000 years) but certainly *always* a fininte amount of time.
We might think this is a simple mistake in translation but the word 'aeon' has been correctly translated in other passages with different context and its proper meaning is preserved.
Just one example of a small change with huge implications for christian teaching.

Greek too! Interesting. I was referring to a quote from Isis Unveiled;

"the word "eternal" by which our theologians interpret the words "for ever and ever" does not exist in the Hebrew language, either as a word or meaning. There is no Hebrew word which properly expresses eternity; oulam, according to Le Clerc, only imports a time whose beginning or end is not known. While showing that this word does not mean infinite duration, and that in the Old Testament the word forever only signifies a long time, Archbishop Tillotson has completely perverted its sense with respect to the idea of hell-torments."

http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/isis/iu2-01.htm

quote:Originally posted by Gandalf

Interestingly, in the dead sea scrolls, we see a much earlier formulation of the holy trinity which is made up of the Mother, the Father and the Son.

It's been a long while since I picked up The Secret Doctrine, but IIRC the mother-father-son goes as far back as the esoteric vedic teachings revealed in that book. Such teachings were closely tied to the chaldean and hebrew kabalas, so it's not surprising to see it pop up somewhere like the dead sea scrolls.

Al just has very little grip on reality, tis all. If the devil made it so that all historical fact proves that christianity is mostly corruptions of other beliefs, then.. well.. that sounds more like the mother of all cop-outs, and is obviously BS. OMFG ALL OF HISTRY IS A LIE FROM TEHDEVIL!!1oneone
Sure dude, sure. And they say us projectors are mental.

But its soo much fun

Ahaha.. Allanon, I reply to you because it's so easy and entertaining and I'm always curious as to what sort of stupid thing you'll say next. I mean, I've dealt with christians who put up a good argument before, but you're just plain hilarious. In a very pathetic, childish, and obviously misunderstanding way.

You're quite clearly a troll on this board, and if I didn't find your babble entertaining and a nice boost to my beliefs I probably would suggest you be banned. But for now I'd rather like to see you stay

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

The sumerian, indian, etc cultures were DEMONICALLY INFLUENCED CULTURES USED BY THE DEVIL IN ORDER TO DECEIVE THE ELECT. THEY WERE USED TO PROMOTE FALSE IDEAS AND LOOK THE "SAME" AS CHRISTIANITY. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BEING THAT JESUS CHRIST EMPOWERS ONLY ONE CHURCH AND PEOPLE AND THAT IS THE CHOSEN OF GOD.

Holy crap dude. These cultures do not "look" the same as christianity (and rightfully so, they came long before it). What I just said was that your christianity originated from what you're calling demonically influenced religions! Either you're not very good at logic or.. you're just plain stupid, but you just said that your religion was demonically influenced.
And Jesus empowers a lot more than one church, look up all the sects and divisions in Christianity. And all think they're Jesus' elect. So now what, more picking and choosing? Poor fool.

Of course, because only christians can master the True Power Of God. Oh excrement my mom just flew out my window with christian power.

Look, this is stupid. It's proven FACT the bible was manipulated and mistranslated. Go learn hebrew. You'll find there is no word for 'eternity', the word used in the bible that was translated as such means nothing but 'a long period of time'. So that eternal death is really just death for a while bub.
Get your facts straight and then you can preach. That's my philosophy.

ok, ALLANON, WTH?
I dunno where you've been for the last 2k years, but I have some bad news for you. JESUS IS DEAD IN HIS GRAVE TOO. :/

Trust me, you won't see jesus walking around any more than you will mohammed, buddha, and any other dead guy.

Oh, go look up bodhisattvas and I'm sure you'll find that many more have conquered "death" on the material plane.

Oh I forgot, they must have been aided by Satan.

www.theosociety.org

This is what I am, okay? Look at it, it's a broad set of truths from ALL religions, including your own book of misinterpreted garbage. Eastern thought has been around a lot longer than New Age, though the two merely coincide on a lot of points. However, eastern religions are much purer and true than the western bastardization that is modern Christianity.

Have my babies?

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bwahahahahaha

If nothing else Al, you make for some great entertainment. Do you have any idea the true origins of your beliefs? The egyptians, sumerians, and aryans of the indus all shared similar beliefs due to a common root. These egyptian beliefs were then recycled by Moses (Blavatsky states that the hebrew language itself is nothing but egyptian writing phallicized) and turned into the main Hebrew religion after the exile. It is that as well as the mixing of Hebrew with chaldean beliefs which forms the basis of the Judaism that Jesus was born into, and the religion founded in his name is a combination of that, his teachings, and the popular greek/pagan beliefs of the time. Jump on the logic train and you'll realize that your beliefs are really just those of the ancient Hindus recycled, corrupted, and distorted by exotericism.

As I have said before and will say again, it's a real shame the west is so horribly ignorant of it's beliefs and their roots. Calling such things as the vedas demon worship, it's laughable, but also very sad.

I worship no entity but my own self. If you are asserting that that is demon worship, well, thanks a lot buddy

I call the Bible and Christianity Idol worship, but not because of outrageous claims of Satanic influence as you have, merely because to anthropomorphize god and worship him is to create a spiritual idol out of the pure untainted principle that is the true God.
As far as Satan goes, don't get me started. Do you have any idea where that dogma comes from? Look into it some time, you'll find out that Satan is a bunch of BS.

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

Read the Word of God and decide for yourself what is right.

Did it. For 15 years. And I decided what was a lot more right in a lot of ways. Have you ever read anything else? You'd be surprised.

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

God is God and you are *snip* a creation.

Oh I agree wholeheartedly. Not so much in the manner that God said "omfgzor I'm bored I think I'll make ppl and make them do crAzy stuff", but more in the manner that God is not a being, spirit, deity, or force but an infinite cause existing in the only true reality, and that from that divine prototype a shadow world of illusion was fashioned, my body included, in order for the cause to realize it's effect and vice versa.
"just" was removed because it makes me, the creation, seem inferior to the creator, when in absolute truth we are one in the same and merely reflections of each other through the mirror of brahma.

Or something like that.

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

God does not outlaw AP. That is the whole purpose of free choice. But you will REAP consequences for communing with demons and fallen spirits. You can fight the Bible all you want but on your death bed you BETTER MAKE SURE YOU ARE SQUARED AWAY WITH CHRIST!!

You New Agers have no standard by which to base your morality. You have a book written by Robert Bruce that is a MAN MADE creation.

The Bible is the Word of God and is verified by the many prophecies and eye witness accounts of the apostles.

JESUS CHRIST ROSE FROM THE DEAD. NO NEW AGE IDEOLOGY OR MYSTIC RELIGON EVEN CLAIMS THIS. THEY ARE ALL DEAD IN THERE GRAVES. CHRIST STILL LIVES AND WANTS YOU TO LIVE TOO!!! ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS EXCEPT GOD'S PLAN RATHER THAN MAN'S.

Jesus still lives? Ooooh yeahh now I remember, I think he changed my tires last week.

Actually Allanon, I follow the word of the Vedas and the Upanisads, which were both concieved and written LONG, LONG before your Bible was collected and butchered by King James or whoever. I think it was said, what, that the vedas originated 10,000 years ago and were written down in sanscrit about 5000yrs ago?

The vedas are considered by many, many people to be the direct knowledge of the gods. These people considered this a long time before the apostles recieved the 'word of god'.

Even Jesus's own religion has it's mystical Kabala, which holds the real keys to the wisdom of the bible and Judaism. Sadly the true followers of the mystical christos have all but died out in favor of a blind institution who's lost all meaning.


Oh did I mention I say this prayer every night before bed?

quote:"I believe in the Devil, the Father Almighty of Evil, the Destroyer of all things, Perturbator of Heaven and Earth;
And in Anti-Christ, his only Son, our Persecutor,
Who was conceived of the Evil Spirit;
Born of a sacrilegious, foolish Virgin;
Was glorified by mankind, reigned over them,
And ascended to the throne of Almighty God,
From which he crowds Him aside, and from which he insults the living and the dead;
I believe in the Spirit of Evil;
The Synagogue of Satan;
The coalition of the wicked;
The perdition of the body;
And the Death and Hell everlasting. Amen."

http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/isis/iu2-10a.htm []

OMFGZORDBZ KIATTAKC!! ILL KUICK UR BUT FREIZQA!!!oneonoeneone

I'll add my thoughts on the subject of prayer. Note that these are nothing but my opinions based on what I've learned and realized, so if you don't like them, ignore them.

Praying as a pledge to a deity I see as pointless. I mean, IMO you're just being wishful if you think some higher being cares enough about you to somehow affect the world/your life to appease your 'prayer'.

Praying in the sense of forming a strong intention can pay off however. Since everything in the universe is guided by will, from the manifestations caused in the subjective realms to the incarnations brought about in the objective realms, having a strong will towards anything can become a cause which reaps an effect.
So if I were to pray, it would merely be a strong focusing of my consciousness and energy onto a specific idea or goal.

The difference between magic, prayer, and what I described is that in one, you're relying on extraneous objects and stuff to carry out your will, in another, you're relying on a higher power to intervene and carry out your will, and in the last, you're relying on yourself to carry out your will.

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

It is a place free from sin because only those who serve the True God are allowed in.

Oh. Was that Jesus, Allah, Buddha, Zeus, Brahma, Ra, or Enki again? I forgot.

Oh yes, don't think for yourself, just do what we tell you even though it's logically, historically, and verifiably incorrect.

Guess that's what happens when an organization has more power than the government itself for 1300 some years.

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

Let me know of any spirit that can dare stand up face to face to the One True God that created them all.

Oh, hello anthropomorphism.

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

If you beleive you are projecting around talking to deceased relatives you are being deceived by Satan and his minions. The Bible is very clear on the fact that those who attempt to talk to the dead and travel around the spirit world are really just being led astray by demons.

Beleive in Jesus!!!!

LOL!
good one

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=esoteric

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