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Here's a slideshow to show you a slice of the history of alien encounter and abduction here on Earth from the last 50 or so years
which evidence most of society has managed to ignore until this day since it neither fits into the modern world picture of
pseudo-scientific darwinism nor the traditional religions tho some of the now surfacing new-age religions are beginning to align with some of the knowledge available about the alien presence.

http://www.youtube.com/user/AgentJoannaDark#p/u/5/nIDNUmtVdAY


It may be of interest to you that a mantide alien sitting beside his bed was one of the first things Robert Bruce (Astral Dynamics) encountered in his OBEs.

So before your BS-alarm goes off prematurely you may just want to shut up and wait until you get to see them with your own eyes.

One of my motivations is to visit other worlds and see what other life is out there. I'm not interested in greys, nordics, reptilians etc

So you want to know about the extraterrestrials but then you don't.  



kind regards,

Paul

Unlike theoretical science, peoples' experience in the other dimensions has actually shown the world that there is indeed time in the other dimensions but it is relative to where one is.

There are realms in which time runs faster and there are realms where time runs slower compared to the material world.
In essence, timelessness is a nice idea but in reality it does not exist, it is always a linear run.

Now it has to be understood that when one "travels" back in time like with the akashic records, he is only visiting energy imprints of events like a manifesto of time itself.

It has to be understood that time is an artificial imposition. In nature everything happens simultaneously but time stretches simultaneousness into segments. In essence time is really a very complex entity.
It is as artificial as the universe itself.


kind regards,

Paul

Dear AstralBeginnings,

you'd be baffled to see how many hidden extraterrestrials are here on and off Earth (between here and the moon).

I strongly recommend not to try and contact them and some of them simply do not possess in their minds the kind of morals that humans have for each other.


kind regards,

Paul

Dear AstralBeginnings,

perhaps deepening trance may help.

Have you ever shifted your focus to sound? In my experience from everything, sound entrances the mind fastest. It doesn't have to be hemi sync, it can be anything, even silence. If one has tinnitus, he can use that to his advantage. The observative attitude is the importance because it silences the ego which is the human mind.

I would personally recommend focusing on sound first and when one is ready shifting focus to the mental screen (try to look through closed eyes) - visualize an object above to pull you out - exit from the forehead into the Zone.

You don't learn this like an instrument - you have instant projections once you hit just the right state of mind either by accidant or change in attitude.

In my opinion, Robert Peterson in his book "OBE's: how to have them and what to expect" describes this state of mind best.


kind regards,

Paul

Dear david14433,

the way I view intent is as follows: setting the intention to do or get something (the same as asking something to happen) and then becoming passively receptive to it or allow it to happen. This is significantly different from desiring something to happen. Desiring something leads to attempting to enforce something.


kind regards,

Paul

Dear folks,

here's a great meditation guide i'd like to share with you.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3873177/Amitakh-Chiappalone-A-Guide-to-Meditation


kind regards,

Paul

In my opinion, noone should be conditioned to believe that it takes months or years to have OBEs only because it has taken some people that time.

Key in my opinion is the correct focus. If the correct focal point is attained, one will succeed day 1. If he finds himself in the correct focus by accident he will succeed aswell.
Projecting isn't like learning an instrument, it is like looking for a lost key with blindfolds on.


kind regards,

Paul

Dear personreality,

I agree, something is really wrong in R. Bruce's instructional part of the book astral dynamics. R. Bruce's experiencial depth is amazing and the book has many useful tips but the whole of his instructions just never got me anywhere. I think there are real structural errors in it tho i really wish I was wrong! I don't wish to dive into the details of it in this post.
I love Robert Bruce and I think he has the greatest intentions from all the authors in the field.
But in my opinion Peterson did a much greater job describing the necessities in his book "OBE'S how to have them and what to expect" (see for example chapter "Quiesce and Focus Your Mind").

I told him how I project and what helped my get over the Robert Bruce hump.

For anyone who is interested and doesn't know, here's personalreality's legacy.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/how_i_got_out_for_the_first_time-t30942.0.html

Thanks for your contribution, personalreality.


kind regards,

Paul

Well I'd like to leave one comment aswell.

It's just sad to see astralpulse becoming like astralsociety.us 

Also, mind awake/body asleep is misleading as well.  Again, you're leading novices on a quest to achieve something that is not the best description of the state you want.  Some people have the predisposition to wake in a deep trance state where their body is technically asleep, but for someone trying to achieve conscious exit at any time other than normal sleeping times this is a near impossibility.  You'll spend months and years trying to reach the fabled "mind awake/body asleep".  It's not about the body being asleep, that's just the easy way out if you can get there.  But if you want to develop mastery of the conscious exit you'd do better to spend your practice time learning how to "forget" about your body.  It's about dissociation, not somehow inducing this elusive body asleep state.

Very nice,

I can back this up with my experience. Trying to hit the mind awake/body asleep is extremely difficult for a normal Joe unless his body is naturally predisposed to it. Some people apparently are. Other people often find themselves in sleep paralysis and it terrifies them.

I've woken up a few times out of sleep and found myself in the perfect mind awake/body asleep state - and opportunistically used those occasions to lift out of my body consciously, but i've almost never achieved to reach this state from full waking consciousness on.

Sometimes the body does what IT wants. If it wants to stay awake, it will. If it feels exhausted, it will drift towards sleep and you have an opportunity. To enforce the body (includes the brain) these states by one's own will is a true art.

I much agree with you, if what you were saying is one should stop trying to reach the trance. It is not worth the effort as I said - sometimes the body will respond, at other times it will not. In truth, a full trance is not even required to go out of body. Body detachment and trance are two seperate phenomenons.
It is better to view the trance state more as a response to that which one is doing and so is detachment. Daydreaming will often result in trance, ironically breathing/counting, trying to still the mind often times will not!

In my opinion a good approach to try to bring about a projection of the etheric body is to focus on one's surroundings. I would start by focusing on sounds if there are any. If there are not, the ear ringing could be used to focus on.
I have found that this will often entrance the body mind and if I'd be in a purely receptive mode to my surrounding ambiences there are usually no thought intrusions which makes it so much easier.
When one is detached from the body to a greater extend, he should try to see through the blackness behind his eyes.
What I did on my succesful occasions was focussing on the space behind my closed eyes and pretend to look at the ceiling. Then I would visualize an object (it were cooking pots for some reason) above my head - the visualized object would literally cause me to rocket out of my body, with almost 0 of the reported annoying side effects.
This is a very simple and uncomplicated process once one is detached from the body sufficiently.

Perhaps many OBE practitioners focus on their etheric body (where the chakras and meridians are) too much instead of where they actually want to go, causing their etheric body to overstimulate giving them all the troubling anomalies.

The worst thing to do in my opinion (and many ppl do this i believe) is to simultaneously focus on one's body and the destination - this is like pulling a rope from both ends at the same time. I have theorized that many exit sensations many be caused by this two sided pulling.



kind regards,

Paul

I answered your question AND I explained how my answer related to the subject... how exactly is that trolling?
I believe you should clarify exactly what your point is.
Because apparently both myself AND Stookie have missed it completely.

~Ryan

The problem, my friend is that you don't listen. And I have no need to repeat myself as I have already answered your question in the posts above.

And now back on topic please, I don't like to see my thread derailed for another 2 pages and dying out because of it.


kind regards,

Paul

Mental projection... Etheric projection...
To me, they're the same thing.  To me, all projections are the same thing.

Hence why I responded with my experiences of "heaviness".  

I quite frankly don't mind what your beliefs are, however you do know now that you are off topic in my thread with due respect...

Once you've phased into your scene it's just a matter of focusing intent on shifting to the RTZ. That was Frank's whole point of phasing: once you've phased, you can go anywhere. To him, it was much simpler than trying to do a standard OBE-type separation.

I am well aware still I relate to separations of the etheric double aka common OBEs, in this thread.


kind regards,

Paul

Dear Paul:
Mental projections can happen and do happen inside any other plane.  They are simulations designed to teach you something.  Not all mental projections happen inside the mental plane- this is a 'state', not a place.  Any mention of time space or location is not of the mental plane.
This is observed and agreed by most projectors I know, and some that I have read also.

Dear CFTraveler,

I see you are obviously aware of it  ,

I do however not understand why you'd feel you needed to expand on this for me.


kind regards,

Paul

If anyone has anything else they'd like to contribute, especially any sort of information regarding altered states of consciousnesses, I would appreciate it if you shared!

There are some who say he who focuses on the third-eye chakra will receive enlightenment.

About one year or so ago, i decided i was going to experiment for a couple of weeks straight with my third-eye chakra by focusing on it relentlessly throughout the entire day while in meditation and the usual activities...it was a very powerful experience.


kind regards,

Paul

Thanks all you. All this is very fascinating. Do you think if someone has a physical distraction like tinnitus (ringing in the ears) like I do. That tinnitus would hold them back from AP. Thanks.

Dear david14433,

the answer should be obvious. It is of course only your attitude that'll decide if it'll distract you or not.

I sometimes use my tinnitus as a point of concentration but I don't like to use it a lot because my preferred focus is void, nothingness, mental vacuum, desire/expectation-free, zen  



kind regards,

Paul

I have to agree with the Captain.

Sleep Paralysis, Trance, Focus 10... they're all the same state to me.
Mind awake/Body asleep.  This is the optimum state to be in for APing.

What you and your model are doing is falsefying matters for your sake of desired simplification.

Neither are trance state, detachment and sleep paralysis the same nor are astral projections and lucid dreams  .

So, I was wondering if anyone could give me some guidence as to what to do or maybe direct me to some helpful articles. This subject has really intrigued me and am anxious to have my first real AP experience. Thanks!

Dear s_man_09,

In my opinion Robert Bruce's book Astral Dynamics has by far the most productive collection of technniques and exercises and preparations I've seen in a book so far.
The theoretical parts are seperate from the practical parts and can be skipped if desired. The book can be read out of order.


kind regards,

Paul

I get a heaviness as I'm practicing my Phasing... but I also accounted it as just me "feeling" my body.
Nothing more.

~Ryan

Dear Xanth,


I did such a thing you call phasing this morning whereby I slipped directly into my instant day-dreaming scene (mental body), being completly engaged and unaware of the body. This is a mental projection and far different from and much easier than the process of the separation of the etheric double from the physical body.
With this thread I didn't relate to mental projections but projections of the etheric body.




kind regards,

Paul

again - dreams relate to the MENTAL plane, astral projections to the ASTRAL plane. They are different dimensions running on different codes like windows and linux do and every serious traveller should be aware of it.
These can not be simplified into one unless one wants to delude himself.

The mental plane is running on a much finer, "higher" vibrational rate than the astral planes.

The travelling projector as he enters each dimension aquires a body made of the respective matter of the corresponding plane he finds himself on in order to function there.

That is why lucid dreams will always be experienced differently from astral travels.

kind regards,

Paul

Dear folks,

I used to believe as it was mentioned in a book that the heaviness (a very distinct, recognizable symptom of body detachment that I usually experience in the eyes and teeth regions, increasing in felt weight by 10 or so) ultimately was a side effect of the trance state but my experience has shown me otherwise.
I sometimes find myself in trance however still very attached to the body and no signs of heaviness.
In fact I find this heaviness much harder to induce than the trance state itself.
Sometimes when I overcharge my energy body the heaviness comes on very quickly. I used to get the heaviness a lot when I was sick together with self-size distortions.

Now I wonder, do you experience the heaviness all the time in the pre-stages of your succesful wake induced exits?


kind regards,

Paul

I've had the exact same experience Tiny, I guess we have the same sort of minds

Dear Zino

Indeed we do have the same sort of minds,

it is evident today that we all have in our bodies the human mind that is a universal system that is systematically the same construct in every human being with only a limited range of genetic individuality only on a surface level.

But regardless of the facts - ignorance is potentially infinite in strength.
There are people who believe that a tree or an atom with X protons doesn't exist unless they believe it to be. Wishful thinking and selective perception are one of humanity's biggest delusions that apparently have even found their way into quantum "science" by now.

I'd like to clarifie further:

R. Bruce has practiced OBEs since age 4. He probably has more experience with different dimensions and altered states of consciousness than all members of this forum combined and he deserves much more respect than receiving dissings left without explanations as has been done by some of the high-horse members here.
And unlike most people in the field of esoterics, Robert Bruce has actually built his knowledge mostly on his own experiences and in conscious avoidance of wishful thinking.

I'm questioning the in the original post mentioned statements by R. Bruce backed with evidence and personal observation aswell as experience.


kind regards,

Paul

Hi all I have been thinking about the biology of AP (AKA Astral Projection). We all know that you can't sleep unless you have certain hormones or neurotransmitters at work to help you do that like melatonin, serotonin, even testosterone and progesterone can help with this. Certain herbs and mushrooms can drugs can bring you into another dimension. Acetylcholine is known to help with dreaming. All these things have different effects on the body brain and mind. My question is what is your experience with the biology of AP or having an OBE? Has any substance helped you AP, or OBE? Thanks.

Dear david14433,

the practice of meditation has been widely known to change brain chemistry (raise melatonin levels).
So it appears that the brain will to some extend adjust to the rider's will.
I have often while meditating during the day experienced my brain shifting gears from wide-awake to shutdown mode. It happens usually after 30-60 minutes uninterupted practice.
When the astral rider is not seated in the body for whatever reason while the body is still alive, the body will remain in a state of coma until a rider enters. This goes to show that the body needs in it a seated rider in order to animate it.

I don't like to use substances as aid due to the strong dependance factor.

Dimethyltriptamine and 5meo-DMT are the chemicals most associated with astral projection as far as i am aware.


kind regards,

Paul

The ban has now been lifted, the economic damage has been done, guess who pays for it - the citizens.

No wonder I can't OBE.  Years of trying with no luck only a few odd experiences, some lucid dreams, but it has been like I'm restricted from it or something.  Something has blocked me every time I get close the dog wakes up and licks me or my wife gets up or something.. always.  I don't believe that but after time I have come to realize something is stopping me.  Some sort of external force.  

Dear lonecrow,

it doesn't suprise me to see more people are waking up to this.

There is an enormous force here on Earth manipulating humans and trying to stop us from evolving mentally and spiritually.

What Robert Bruce saw in his first OBE was a mantis alien manipulating him with some sort of energy ball.

He has also mentioned how these ETs implant suggestions, ideas, urges etc. - directly into the minds of humans to take influence on them.

In my opinion, it is simply put mind warfare, programming wars.

I've seen them myself with my psychic eye so I couldn't care less about those who say they wouldn't exist or were creations of our own minds.
They are very real, nasty paranoid control freaks and I'm convinced they and their lackeys monitor every single corner of the internet. They are also the guides behind such organizations as the CIA.
People should start acknowlading and resisting the tyranny of these ugly sons of guns.


kind regards,

Paul

ok after reading all this and plus i have the infos from the quran about jins now the only thing i need is how to summon them?

all you have to do is wish it 

I feel compelled to meet such beings, as well as some of the other humanoid peaceful aliens. I was just curious if anyone has tried this before and been successful. I would be concerned however about violent aliens showing up in my dreams, but I do put a barrier up every night before bed using some mantras I found awhile ago on an astral site.

Dearf BrainStorm_wow,


One time in meditation (closed eyes) what looked like the descriptions of "pleiadian" materialized before me and just when i began to realize, it collapsed. I couldn't make out the gender at all but it had shoulder long, brunette hair.






I wasn't expecting anything it came out of the blank. In fact it is only when one is free from expectation and desire that he can let visions and real contacts happen. But most of the time ET will contact him, not the other way round. What one can do is set an intent and wait for everything to happen.

I've been long wanting to find out my celestial connections and keep hearing  "when you're ready..." which basically means: Meditate the hell out of yourself.

When you go deep in trance meditation, thoughts and visualizations will become instant real projected images on your mental screen. This is one way other beings can reveal themselves to you.


There are many ETs on and off earth today, but most of the benevolent ones I believe are keeping themselves at a safe distance and rightfully so.


kind regards,

Paul