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I found Robert Monroe's Ultimate Journey to be extremely interesting:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0385472080/qid=1090896891/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/104-2104024-6427928?v=glance&s=books&n=507846


Bruce Moen's books are the best follow-up for what Monroe wrote:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-author=Moen%2C%20Bruce/104-2104024-6427928

If you have trouble falling asleep:

1.) Spend at least a half hour in the sun the previous day so your body makes enough melatonin. The best time to get sunlight is in the early morning because you're far less likely to get sunburned since the light is filtered through more of the atmosphere when it's low in the sky. The afternoon is the worst time because of sunburn risks.

2.) Exercise the previous day

3.) When you get up, stay awake until you start yawning again, then go back to bed. If you lie there while you're not tired enough it probably won't work.


And one thing that makes this waaay more effective: get nice an comfortable during the first 5 minutes. Then don't move ANYTHING the rest of the time, be as perfectly still as you can. This is not easy at first but it makes the vibes come much much faster.

One way to do that is to watch what sleeping position you're in when you first wake up, then when you go back to sleep assume precisely the same position.

The goal is that when you get up again you are still in the exact position you were when you went to sleep.

Cool! I'm working on testing some refinements to make it more effective. I'll be putting together a new routine and we can see how much it ups the success rate.

The only ones that do me any good are the silicone ones like this:

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/earplugstore/macwhitadsiz.html

You can get them at Target.

Yes, I have similar issues and I would very much like to hear ideas for resolving them. It seems like if I fall totally asleep during the intervals then I wake up in full paralysis or into a projection.

However if I only trance out then it's less effective because I usually get partial paralysis or heavy vibes. At that point I have about a 50% hit rate, which isn't that great. I usually concentrate on the force of gravity to pull me into the bed and OB.

What I want to do is find a way where I'm fully conscious the whole time, but of course that tends to lead to only partial paralysis.

I've been experimenting with conceptualizing force pressing up against the top of my skull, that seems like it has a lot of potential because it's taken me to vibes in the afternoon which I usually don't get.

Today I spent time walking around conceptualizing pressure up on my skull i nthe hopes of getting my subconscious to switch into it more easily.

Have you found any improvements for it?

How do you know? Have you tried it? []

1.) What are you doing to get paralysis and vibes at will?

2.) How long does it take you to get there?

If you're in 100% paralysis, this thread may help you:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11209

[All]

All of the tricks we are using are crutches. ROPE is a crutch, laying down is a crutch, everything is a crutch. There's no good reason to arbitrarily embrace one and not another.


Tonight I had a case where using earplugs helped me gather an exra bit of data that I would have missed otherwise.

I was meditating basically doing nothing but conceptualizing pressure on the top of my skull and that I was walking around a place near where I live.

All at once at once point I heard a very faint click, my conceptualization went from me having to drive it to it animating on its own, and I had very light vibes. So, I knew I had shifted down one gear so to speak.

Without the earplugs it would have been a more subtle shift that I may have missed, I may have instead noticed the other two changes gradually rather than making it stand out so that I recognized that they were linked, which was the main discovery.

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I was just saying that most would find it hard to achieve a OBE from sleep paralysis.

Many of us have found full paralysis to be one of the easiest states from which to project using deep breathing. There's a topic on that here: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11209

One of the strengths of this surprised body method is that it's likely to put you in paralysis.

See that's the thing with you, unless RB said it you think it can't possibly be true.

This thread is for finding improvements for this method and so far none of your posts have any questions or suggestions about it. Please start a new topic if you want to talk about other things.

Nay,
If someone walked in here and said, "Hey I've got this great technique where you pull on this rope..." you'd probably launch into one of your longwinded diatribes about how there's no way to make projecting any easier.

My experience has been that it's not so much protein itself you want to avoid, but anything that is hard to digest and will make your stomach growl. If you read that bit in Astral Dynamics carefully you'll see that he is really saying don't eat heavy foods, and one type of heavy food is greasy meat.

For me the best thing to have the morning before and attempt is something that will stay with me a little while, isn't solid because I can feel solid food moving through me, and isn't sugary. So, I have a protein drink before an attempt if I'm hungry.

[xx(] It's one of those things that gets you even if you're expecting it...

The earplugs are training wheels, it's better to use the training wheels to accelerate progress at the start and then phase them out than it is to assume we've got more mastery than we really have and wind up floundering around.

The thing is, you *will* hear noises when you use earplugs, but they won't be physical noises! The best way to learn what those are like in the beginning is to block out the physical noises.

[1.) Don't move between intervals]

Here are my notes for this morning:

7-21-04
Did surprised body, didn't fall asleep but did conceptualizations.
The main thing I did differently was to not move when the timer went off.

I had to find a good position to lay in where I could have the timer in my hand and just set it using my thumb without moving.
My first position was too uncomfotartable after the end of the 1st 10 minute interval so I started over at 5, however I did feel light vibes at the end of the ten minutes.

I found the best position was on my side/stomach with one arm under my chest and my other arm under my head going straight away and holding the timer.
During the second 10 minute interval I was in 3d blackness where I could see detailed geometric shapes such as planes spinning and flipping around.

Toward the end of the second 10 minute interval I found I was in heavy vibes and somewhat strong paralysis but not full paralysis, I saw a blue screen forming in front of my eyes, like the psychic screen people sometimes describe. It was exactly the same color of blue as the windows NT blue screen of death, and the blue that TVs use for diagnostics. I wonder if that color of blue is a subconscious reference to the psychic screen?

It felt like I was going to separate but I wasn't able to pull it off. I tried to sink in using the force of gravity like I usually do but it didn't work. Next time I will try upstream's skullpressure trick. I had heavy vibes several more times but didn't separate.

I didn't make it to the end of the 20 minute interval because it felt like I had been laying there for hours. I had been switching into RTZ time and phsyical time and experiencing a lot more time than just 20 minutes

I think this is a much better way to do it than just falling asleep because this way you don't lose conscious control.

The changes were:

1.) Don't move between intervals

2.) Don't completely fall asleep but let yourself hover at the hypangogic state for as long as possible. It's probably not to try this change until after you've had success ddoing it falling asleep as usual. Then when you know what to expect try to hover in between.

[madrox,]

madrox,
If you are having a hard time falling asleep again, you should try doing something especially active the day before so you'll be nice and tired at night. It's also good to spend extra time in the sun because that gives you melatonin.

Another really good thing is to practice relaxing quickly. A good way to do that is to spend a week and wake up a half hour early and just lie in bed relaxing everything. You can search the web for good relaxation routines. Then over the weekend when you're ready for a projection attempt, use the 5 minute interval to relax deeply, then you should probably fall asleep during the 10 or 15 minute interval.

If you don't move between intervals you'll almost certainly at least feel light vibrations and that will let you know you're making progress.

Also, did you use a cooking timer or an alarm clock to wake up? You really should use a timer that takes a few seconds to set. I was never able to get it to work using an alarm clock because you have to wake up too much to set it to the right time.

You don't need or even want to stand up when you wake, in fact sleep paralysis is most likely if you don't move any muscles and then go back to sleep.



mactombs,
The problem is that once you've confused/surprised your body it won't wake you up on its own. It says, "you're in control now dude" so that's why I highly recommend using both the alarm and the timer. The alarm is your safety net in case you get into a runaway sleep situation.


Omnigod0101,
Try arranging things so that you don't move at all when you reset the timer. Make it so you have the timer interface memorized and can just thumb a few buttons and reset it. You'll get vibes that way around the 15 or 20 minute interval probably. If you are very very still the whole time you'll probably get paralysis too.

As far as the other people in the house goes, all I know to suggest is to shut your door and open your window for fresh air? The walmart timer I got isn't really very loud so maybe you could try getting a slightly quieter one?

The mobile phone idea is clever, I'm not sure how consistent the phones are in the US either. It seems like we have a lot of different phone protocols and it's not all neat and tidy as it should be.


I made an HTML page with javascript in it to play a wave file at a certain time so you can use a computer as an alarm clock, and it wouldn't be hard to make it use intervals. I will update that file and post it to a thread at some point.

I suppose one solution would be to get 6 of these:

http://www.polsteins.com/whitcooktim.html

Edit: Dang no it wouldn't because it only goes up to an hour

Omnigod,
I should clarify that I don't really intend on selling people things at this point, what I meant was that I'd like to tell people about a method they can use and they can go out and get all the stuff and have it be pretty cheap. I like the DVD idea but it might require people to spend $50 or something on the player itself.

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One thing I don't understand...
Why do you need ear plugs?

They're not required but I find they're very very useful for two reasons:

1.) They make it so I can sleep deeper and faster because of fewer distractions. Even in a relatively quiet room, there is at least some sound just from air moving in your ear canals, and the plugs muffle all that out.

2.) They make it so you can listen to the whining sound in your ear which you can use to tell how far into trance you've gone. This makes very subtle hypnagogic noises stand out as well if you have trained your mind to have a perpetual mindblank.


mactombs,
One thing that I haven't tried yet but think should work is to turn on lots of lights in the room and make it really bright, then use a blindfold to block out all the light. Then when you do the procedure you will probably project into a more vivid and cheery place, and hopefully avoid frightening spirits. Do you have any thoughts on that?

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A DVD can hold 500+ minutes of generic CD audio, a lot more with MP3's. And lot of people have a 2nd DVD player in their bedroom. Hmmmmm, I smell a project?

That's true, and I'd thought about programming a laptop to do all the tones, but I want to have a solution that costs less than $30 for people to use.

quote:
I'm ready to give this technique a try tomorrow morning. However, when you say:-

Make the following intentions to yourself:
1.) I will fall asleep easily and wake up ready to project.
2.) If I dream, I will become lucid and move into an OBE automatically

How long do I keep saying these intentions to myself?

Just make the intentions to yourself at least once. The idea is for the last intention you have before going to sleep to be the intention to have a projection.

quote:
If i'm projecting and I set the timer for 25mins won't the timer wake me up and interupt my projection?

For me I will typically project within the first ten minutes of the 25 minute interval. You know how dream time works differently than physical time, I will usually have what seems like a 10-15 minute projection in the space of no more than 5 physical minutes, going on what the timer says.

quote:
This method worked for me too. Thanks for the great method, cube!

matacombs, I would very much like to hear about your projection as well, please tell us!!


Dream Cadet,
Does that watch have the ability to program multiple times into it and have it so it only beeps a few times without having to turn it off?

I'd say that's an unusual LD you had, there have only been a few times when I was able to smell things in dreams and they were never pleasant odors! [xx(]

quote: Is there any "method" of something that can be used to induce sleep paralysis?

I don't have a foolproof method for that yet, and I have been looking for quite a while. However it does seem that if you wake up, do not move a muscle, then fall asleep again, there is a good chance you'll wake up in paralysis. It's not 100% but it's pretty good.

The Surprised Body method uses that idea to some extent, although the fact that you have to reset the timer affects things a little. I have attempted it using a CD that has tones at the given times but a CD only lasts 74 minutes so you need two CDs and have to get up and change them so you almost may as well use the timer.

quote:What do you mean by taking deep breaths?

I am making a site that describes all this and on it I will put an MP3 of the rhythm I use. In words I inhale fully and somewhat slowly in about 2 seconds then exhale fully in about the same about of time. There's no pause in between the tops and bottoms, I am breathing through both my nose and mouth, with my mouth slightly closed. I am forcing air in through my mouth feeling the air rush over my tongue.

I had a dream while ago in which it seemed like a dream trainer told me to slightly pinch off my nostrils in order to generate more air velocity, I haven't really tried that though. For me a big part of it is putting my entire body into the act of breathing and if I have a hand on my face it tends to restrict things. It's sort of like if you're dancing you forget about your body for the most part and are thinking of the rhythm, the rest goes on autopilot.

The breath fills both your upper chest and expands into your stomach.

The last thing you want to do is hyperventilate. If you start to feel a little dizzy just back off a bit. It's not really that hard to find the right cadence that gives you lots of energy and doesn't over-oxygenate you.

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I can typically get to a state of feeling vibrations and my body feels more like a shell than anything and I have to put forth a little effort to move (I'm assuming this is the known paralysis), but I can never get past that point.

It's important to be in full-on paralysis before you start breathwork. If you're in vibrations and you have mild catalepsy then it's too soon to do deep breaths, and in fact if you start them you'll probably just bring yourself out of trance.

For mild catalepsy there are two routes I know of. Ther first is what I've tested so far and the second is what I think may be an even better method.

The method I've tested the most is to just relax into the catalepsy as deeply as I can like I'm going to sleep. This tends to end in a either true paralysis or I go right into the OBE, but it does fail and I don't feel it's optimal because it's a dice roll since you lose control while you relax out of coherency.

I don't like to give out ideas that I haven't tested very well yet but here's what I suspect may be better solution: You conceptualize a point of force similar to Monroe's method. Conceptualize a point of pressure from two sticks that extend from your temples out in front of you.

1.) Move the point around in a circle.
2.) Double the force of pressure in the point.
3.) Conceptualize yourself in that point of force looking back at yourself. Then flip back to your body and go back to step 1.)

I strongly feel that conceptualizing pressure is a powerful technique and it's the basis behind ROPE and also Monroe's method. There is something special about pressure that prepares an area of the RTZ for your consciousness to project into. This is fundamentally different from the sense of sight or hearing, I really think that by conceptualizing pressure external to yourself you are altering reality somewhat, this is something that doesn't happen when you just visualize something.

I've never had a conscious projection but I've made the most progress using methods that involve creating pressure external to my body.

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Could you clue me in?

Wow, your first projection was a lot more vivid and far longer than any or mine so far, that's very encouraging!!! Keep us posted on your progress and of course please let me know if you have ideas for improvements on the exit method.