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The very first part of this that you are trying to master now is the most tenuous. You are really learning to do something with the faculty of the attention--that's the real exercize here.

I had to work on the part you are doing now for a couple of weeks before I felt as though I "got it" and could reliably get a response from anywhere on my body I wanted to. But believe me, after you get to that stage it gets really interesting.

Keep at it for at least a half hour each day for a few weeks, and reread the instructions several times. There are important keys in the Robert Bruce text which open the door to the psychological states and actual thought processes which you have to align before this begins to works well.

I have a sense that you are trying to use a faculty which you may not have a large momentum using. But practice will overcome that. It does take some ability to hold your concentration, which many people haven't got much of, due to watching too much TV, drugs, Yin body condition (too much sugar..), etc.

If you don't give up, how can you fail??

quote:Originally posted by Kalonek

Just for the record, i tried it again today (i saw my gf this morning). I think i have gained some ability in this, for this time i almost didn't feel the orgasm etc, it happened but all my attention was draw to my spinal energetic pathway, and i felt a huge rush of energy coming up to the higher chakras, and as last time i didn't feel drained after, even the opposite. I think i'm going to do it every time now

Did you tell your girlfriend what you're doing? If she's a sensitive person she might notice the difference and start to think you're getting weird or that you don't like her or, etc., etc. Women tend to analyze (and over-analyze) things more than men in the absense of blunt, honest communication....I've found that in the end it's best to tell them everything and discuss it. They appreciate it.

quote:Originally posted by jilola

Based on my experience with kundalini the experience tends to be in alignment with what you and your life situation happens to be at the time it rises.
For the most part it rises when it rises and anything you do has almost negligible effect on it.  The actual techniques are numerous but all seems to me boil down to allowing te energy to take its course.  [snip]

2cents & L&L
Jouni

Hi Jouni,

I've talked to a quite a number of people for whom this is true. For whatever reason, they wake up one day and find themselves permanently stuck on "Mr Frog's Wild Ride". All they can do is try to ground themselves and learn tricks to get sleep at night, etc. Some live as semi-invalids, unable to hold down jobs. Others, although previously not involved with spiritual concepts, become deeply spiritual people.

There is another type of Kundalini activity though, and I find myself in this catagory. The fire below doesn't move unless I summon it, and it takes some considerable will power and concentration to do it. It is a type of yoga, I guess. I've never learned any real yoga from anyone, but what I've developed over about a 20 year period is a type of yoga which is very deliberate and benefits from years of constant practice.

I'd like to think that this second type of Kundalini activity is how it's supposed to be. I can't imagine that it's natural or intended by our Creator that people live with this painful, out-of-control thing raging inside ones body. As I said, I've met a number of people for whom this is the case and my heart goes out to them for their trials.

I believe that you'll find a lot more instances of the former type when perusing public data. My theory on this is that those people are usually looking for help with a problem they can barely understand. The latter group are usually quietly going about their business, usually under the tuteledge of a master who guides and protects them. It is also generally true that you'll find those from the latter group are the ones warning people away from playing with Kundalini, having experienced it enough to understand the enormous long term discipline and sacrifice necessary to stay safe and sane.

Basically, I agree with you. [][][]

I've had some debates with people at times over this who insist that energy is not lost or doesn't have to be lost. I'm of the opinion that it is probably possible to train yourself to have some kind of pleasurable sensation but to hold the spinal energy in check. But the fact is that this is not what most people naturally do. They go with the flow, especially since it feels so good. If anyone disagrees, well, can you have 100 orgasms in a day??? 50?? 20?? Most people agree that in real life there is a limit....

I've personally ceased to regard it from the point of view of sin or evil or something like that. I see it from the viewpoint of each days allotment of energy can be used in a variety of ways and according to free will. If you will the energy upwards and express it in beautiful, creative or useful ways, you've probably gained in some permanent way as opposed to jacking it onto the ground. It's like, you can invest your allowance and make it grow, or blow it away in a big rush of sensation. I think there are consequences with each decision.

I'm not some prude who thinks there is no place for sex. Not at all.[] But I do believe that the energy released is the occult fire of creation and it's best to respect and value what is given to us.

I agree with Kalonek; I don't think you will help yourself very much by focusing on your lower chakras. It would be better to train your body and energy system so that more of this vital energy raises up the spine into the higher chakras where it will benefit other portions of your life, such as intellectual pursuits or higher emotions.

I know that I'm going to get comments from the next thing I have to say, but I've got to mention it. There are astral entities which feed on the substantial energy released from masturbation. So they hang around young people and psychically manipulate them into sexual fantasies which they then convince their victim they need to fulfill, preferrably via masturbation. A good deal of this energy is actually exchanged during real sex and so it's not just lost to the dogs like it is during masturbation. But several ejaculations per day via either sex or masturbation is a lot of energy to lose.

Anyway, it would help you to get rid of these sex entities and turn that spiritual fire upward into some longer lasting pursuits. There is a lot of info in the psychic self defense forum on how to rid oneself of unwanted entities.

I wish you victory and happiness!!

quote:Originally posted by Gman


I have been Primary Circuit energy raising and working on the Chakras from Base to Crown.
I have been obviously overdoing it and my energy body now seems to have total control.

From my experience, it's best to work gently over a long period of time with the primary circuit instead of trying for rapid progress.

Rapid progress mostly leads to "OUCH!!!"

I've been there....

Give yourself more than one day--[][][]

From my own experience and from the comments of others, I'd say that you want to do NEW every day for 30 to 60 minutes for a month before you start to really get good at it.

Once you get to that stage you may never give it up.

quote:Originally posted by Noxerus

<snip> Be kind and patient, prepare yourself for as much time as it will take you - even if it takes you a few decades of work - and the path will open before you with all its splendour, inviting you to walk it - for you will have truly earned that right by that time.

Love and light.

Beautiful--Thank You!! []

[Tayesin]

quote:Originally posted by pod3

Yes, I have followed those instructions, where they apply, and am asking about the amount of power generated, because I beleive I have done this successfully with no drama.

To call this heat is like calling ki electricity. I see the similarities, but it is not a perfect example. A great deal of radiation was released, but it did not cause some of the physical burns or psychosis I've heard of.

So...Pod3, what's your conclusion then? Do you think that if you practiced some of the other, more boring, time consuming instructions you might get different results? I think I've read quite a few threads from different people here who recommend a different approach than to just sit down and attempt to pop the cork in one big explosion. Maybe you should thank God that the sheath held intact for your safety....

Tayesin, thanks for the comment on mental institutions. I've been aware of this little tidbit for a long time myself. I've seen estimates from spiritually minded psychiatrists and psychologists of 1/3 to 1/2 of all people in mental institutions being the unfortunate victims of premature Kundalini awakenings due to a variety of reasons--including experimentation.

Here are a few comments from people who have unleashed Kundalini without regard to the whole spiritual equation (aka: they thought they'd get lucky and it wouldn't hurt *them*)-----

"... did not handle my psychosis well. My family put me in a mental hospital where they hit me with lots of drugs. I feel ruined now. Life provides no joy and I have not much desire to do anything. My family fought me bitterly over my Kundalini. Now I realize I was right and they were wrong. Too late now, I was so vulnerable then. Now I have less vulnerability but no pleasure from life ...I don't know what to do now."

"At age 20 a major Kundalini/Prana/Chi/energy burst to the brain essentially incapicitated me for many months. At the time I was very pessimistic about my future. Social welfare here I come! I was filled with a tremendous fear to venture out beyond my home or speak to anyone. I became jealous of everyone. My mind and body were pretty much useless except to lie down in a dark room confused. I was very ashamed of myself."

"During this time I got an acute psychosis, that is I lost control. This, however, only lasted for three weeks, and never came back. The current kept on flowing upwards, and when its power increased — and from time to time felt like burning fire and was very painful — it affected my health. It was like I was devoured from inside by this terrible energy, which roared through my body and caused a most unpleasant over-pressure in the brain."

"When the process of Kundalini had lasted in me for about ten years, I was too tired out to be able to earn a living on my own. I went to a doctor and said: "It is all crazy, my Kundalini has aroused. What shall I do?" And then I told him about my state.
"You are deeply psychotic", he said. "I will send you to a good psychiatrist. The energy you are talking about does not exist. You have serious misconceptions".
I got sick pay and later disability pension, with the diagnose paranoid schizophrenia, without first having been taken in for a mental examination. No doctor that I spoke to concerning my pension believed my talk about Kundalini."

It's not that hard to find an endless amount of this stuff if you google well. Here is a very sage comment by one survivor:

"Without trying to sound biased, it's been my experience that kundalini yoga is best understood by Tibetan Buddhist practioners, in the sense that they contextualize the yoga within a greater system so as to not allow the method or means to eclipse the end (which is wisdom and compassion). I truly believe that when a force is not harnessed for the purpose of some worthy end then it will cause havoc sooner or later."

My challenge to anyone who is willing to jump into this cauldron is, "what is your motivation for doing this?". The answer to this question really matters.

quote:Originally posted by Vvid1012

I have the impression that NEW is a good way to start out.  I'm am no where near ready, but I was curious as to if there are steps/energy techniques used after you are thoroughly developed using NEW?

That's a great question. From my point of view, once you enter in to this path of mystical discovery, it's different for each person. There are some major initiations along the way serving as common  guideposts of course. But how you get there and in what order and what practices you use, all these are directed by ones higher self.

All you have to do is decide to enter in and make sure it's for the right reasons. The path opens up for those.

In case this sounds patronizing or cryptic or something like that, please understand: Your question sounds a little like someone standing at the side of a pool and asking those who are frolicking happily there to stop and carefully describe what is happening. Our response is, "Jump in, have some fun and see for yourself!".

quote:Originally posted by Targa

Boydster:  Do you do any chakra work on the chakras not contained in the physical body?  Been wondering if I should start concentrating on these.  From what I understand there's one lower and many upper chakras?  Earth Star below, and Soul Star, Stellar, Universal, and Cosmic Gateways above.  Any idea how these should be visualized?  Do they lay horizontal like the crown chakra?

Also, as someone with many years of experience, can you give the exact locations of the 7 major chakras?  These differ widely, depending on who/what you read.

I don't know anything about those "extra-terrestrial" chakras. Never heard of such a thing.

I dont think the 7 major chakras are in the same place in all people. In me they are:

Root--2 inches forward of anus
Spleen--4 inches to the left and 1 inch higher than naval
Solar Plexus--2 inches directly above naval
Heart--Center of sternum
Throat--1 inch below adams apple
Brow--1 inch above bridge of nose
Crown--Centered at the "baby soft spot" top of head

Your mileage may vary.

Kalonek, I'll bet you know exactly where your chakras are too, within a few cm. How do these locations compare to yours?

quote:Originally posted by Kalonek


I just canted to confirm your technic boydster, it is REALLY effective (the one about the night monster ... ) I woke up twice in this case tonight and immediately did what you explained : i had a real lot of sexual energy, i could feel it clearly, almost like a physical liquid in my 2nd chakra. I pulled it up to my crown chakra by my spine, and i really felt the energy flowing to the top of my head. The sexual arousal was totally gone in less than 15 secondes, and i felt my crown chakra to be mildly stimulated, in a gentle way. I did it again the 2nd time but with my heart chakra. The whole thing was less intese so i get smaller results, but i'm looking forward for other experiences of this kind !
So thanks again for your technic

I realized after reading this again that very frequently I prolong this exercise as follows:

After the light has mostly ascended to the target chakra, I pause and think for a minute about my lovely wife beside me there in bed which causes more of the light to be pulled out of the root and into the sex chakra. After a short cycle of this, I "zoooop" that light up to the target chakra also. If you do this 3 or 4 times you will soon have more than a mild stimulation of the target chakra.

Be sure to keep the "wife meditation" part as short as necessary. And finish the meditation with a long period of time spent "in" the target chakra. You want to anchor your consciousness there and celebrate the higher victory. If you don't succeed at anchoring the light and your consciousness in the upper chakra, you may fall asleep and much of the light can slip back down to the lower place and you wake up with truly compelling desires...[][][]

quote:Originally posted by Targa

Do you visualize the heart chakra as green?  I know this is traditional, but some people say the healing energy from the heart is pink.  I also read one story where a woman with clairvoyant capabilities said that on some people she sees a pink center in the green heart chakra.  Just curious, and I am going to use your technique of visualizing that pocket and cord in the heart chakra to the higher self.

Within myself, I see my heart chakra as a bright white light with pink and ruby highlights. But that's after years of work.

quote:One other thing:  I won't quote your entire message here, but this is in regard to your earlier post about mastering the kundilini in past lives.  Is it your opinion then that the commonly held belief regarding awakening kundilini means an end to reincarnational cycles is incorrect?  Or are you perhaps saying that kundilini was awakened but not mastered (or enlightenment reached) in past lives?

I think that there are other requirements besides merely raising the Kundalini before one can merit the initiation of the Ascension. You have to balance at least 51% of your negative karma. You have to demonstrate mastery over all the 7 rays and 7 chakras. You have to fulfill the mission (work) which you promised to do when you met with councils of Ascended Masters between lives. You have to demonstrate a balanced ability to use power, wisdom and love--all three--without relying on one and remaining weak in the others.

quote:EDIT:  You stated that you raised K to different chakras.  Would you suggest this as a normal path to take rather than always raising it to the crown chakra?  Next time, should I try to raise it to the heart chakra, do you think?  Or third eye?

Kundalini knows where to go and it's different for everyone. One thing I know is that after a while and the major work of clearing is done you can begin practicing moving it to where you want. And my teachers say that it's not necessary to spend much time with the lower three chakras. You do want them cleared of debris and functioning in a balanced way. But it's best not to spend a lot of time there. These are responsible (mainly) for the physical functioning of the body and you risk exacerbating lower appetites by dwelling there too much or inflaming them. My upper 4 chakras are far, far better developed than the lower 3 and I've never had a problem with it. I'm sure someone will disagree with this. Oh well.

Hey Targa!!

Congratulations!! I loved your post too. It's funny how these experiences cause one to think in such a poetic way. There is drama and allegory to this stuff for certain. I completely believe in the personages and help you cite.

I think you're at a great time in your life for this experience. I was 24 when it started up for me. I was ready in many respects but I have to believe that it's harder for a younger person. The reason I say this is that (as you'll find out in the coming weeks and months) the serpent fire enlarges and enhances everything about you--intellect, sensitivity, spiritual abilities, etc. But it also magnifies the problems also. That is one of the main pitfalls. So if you take the average person in their late teens or early twenties, there are a lot of things that they just haven't mastered yet. One is appetites of the body, including sexual appetites. Another is pride or fear or idolatry or self esteem issues, etc., etc.

For the first couple of years that I was regularly doing my little Kundalini meditations, I faced those things in myself and I had to smarten up and get control of the faculty of my attention fairly quickly and learn to discipline that faculty. Like, if you are having a kind of sucky day and you say so, and *feel* it, well, things can get a lot worse very soon. You can get feelings and phrases orbiting around your aura pretty quickly to the point that you are obsessed with it. You may think I'm overstating things here, but a person who has this enormous creative fire coursing around in his body can, if unguarded, spiral into a suicidal state pretty quickly.

Depression, anger, fear, pride, idolatry, (there's more I'm sure) you've got to cultivate the ability to instantly withdraw your attention and agreement with these states. And frankly, most people indulge themselves in these things. They give themselves outright permission to have periods of wallowing in these emotional states. That's one of the very largest pitfalls to this deal.

Don't be in a hurry....you've got a lifetime to build on this. Be nice to your body. I've been doing this for 20 years now on an a very regular basis--that's thousands of Kundalini meditations spread over years and years. There's no way that I'd want to compress any of that into a shorter time for the sake of quick results. And don't give up on NEW--even with all that I've been through I've become of very big fan of NEW. I just never realized such an obtuse thing as pulling prana in through your feet and hands. I'm really grooving on it.

Another thing, I smiled when I read Roberts assertion that anyone who can't do conscious exit obe's probably can't do a Kundalini raising. Like you said, everyone is different. We all have our own unique mix of momentums and gifts and specialties. I had a conscious obe when I was 3 years old--and none since then. I have no idea why. It's not something that I've spent much time on though either. My teachers placed no importance on it. For me it was 1. conquer my lower appetites and urges, 2. form a mighty union with my higher self, 3. serve life by helping others whenever possible. From this has grown joy and the fulfillment of all my needs and the attainment necessary for all challenges. This sometimes does include special powers and cool, cosmic experiences. But that's not the real point. It's not the end. For me the end is fulfilling the potential of my soul and graduating to the next big thing.

Yeah, it seems a little vulgar, but I just didn't know how else to say it...

I think that raising this fire to the heart chakra will definitely quicken things. It will spin the chakra faster which has an action kind of like throwing off density. My heart chakra is one that I've had to work the hardest at too. That and the throat.

Another approach which I recommend involves pulling light down from the higher self. Within the heart chakra is a chamber within which is terminated a type of cord similar to the crystal cord that AP'ers see. But this one leads from the heart of ones higher self down to this heart chamber and it supplies us with a type of spiritual light which we need to live. So in the place where this cord of light terminates there is a little flame. It has intelligence and consiousness and is a small portion of the essence of your higher self.

When you meditate on your heart chakra and you acknowledge this link with the ocean of light above, it amplifies the connection, the stream of light descending and also the amount of cosmic consciousness you have. You can get into a feedback loop where you feel joy and love and gratitude for the connection which ascends up to your higher self, who then responds by sending down to you greater light, love and understanding. You can get very, very high doing this. And it also serves to wash away debris and blockages from the heart chakra also.

There is another by product of this though, and it's one of the things which I feel is wrong with just focusing on the Kundalini alone. The heart meditation I described above transforms your chakras in another peculiar way. You see, the light descending from above is (from within the framework of this discussion) masculine in polarity. The Kundalini is feminine in polarity. If you can nurture the relationship with the higher self first, it serves to make your chakras kind of like magnets which can pull energy from either direction. And it appears that this magnetic power, which could possibly be termed "divine love" is what alchemically magnetizes the mother light up the spine in what I would term a natural, safe Kundalini awakening.

I'm not sure if this is very clear. But I would say that anyone who wants to get deep into this mystical path and reach the highest peak of their spiritual abilities in this life should spend as much time as possible cultivating this vertical relationship with ones higher self. Do it until your heart literally burns and burns with (spiritual) flame. If you approach it from this angle, the Kundalini thing will just fall into place.

OK dudes, here's an interesting little exercise which can help on this path--

Do you ever wake up in the middle of the night with a monster erection? A whole bunch of sexual energy has created a pool in that region and seeks expression. It is an energy which I would classify as very similar to Kundalini. Next time this happens, see if you can quickly pull all that energy up into your crown or brow chakra. The effect is that the erection dies in no time, along with any erotic feelings or fantasies. And the light can be felt rushing up the spine and creating a burning/humming feeling in the target chakra. Keep your attention on the target chakra for as long as you want, the longer the better. This is something which will help step up the overall light carrying/handling capacity of the chakras and will serve to clear out obstructions along the spine which would otherwise need to get run over by the freight train of the Kundalini.

This exercise will also serve to help you avoid a somewhat dangerous pitfall on the path. For those who are unprepared and who experience Kundalini awakenings, one bad thing that can happen is the rushing in of the fire to the lower chakras responsible for appetites such as sex. They get locked into a resistless riptide of sexual fantasy/fulfillment which is like a nightmarish "merry go round". This goes for any of the lower appetites if they are not conquered before the initiation of raising of the Mother Light.

If you can train yourself to be able to remove your attention and interest from any desire via your will, you will be immune to one of the pitfalls of this path. Practice this and see if you can turn the trick in less than 30 seconds. It is more intense than NEW activity on the the chakras though in my experience, so be careful and don't go nuts. Be nice to yourself.

quote:Originally posted by Kalonek

I don't know why but eversince i've heard of kundalini for the first time, i decided i would do it, no matter the time and the efforts to spend in it. I really feel attracted by it, eventhough i don't really know why. It's one of my goals at middle term (in the next 10 years), to help me in my will of spiritual growth on the long term.

Kalonek,

I think you have an extremely healthy and realistic outlook on this. Not only that, you have a plan, and a track record of executing on it. Anyone with the discipline to do NEW daily for 1.5 years (along with any other disciplines I don't know about) is on the right track. Just hold on to your goal and desire it for the right reasons and you will not be denied. Believe me, you DO want to have the benefit of purifying your physical and spiritual bodies with milder forms of spiritual fire before you experience the initiation of Kundalini.


AlphaOmega,

Since you are ready now for this initiation[][][], the issue is that within the base chakra is a chamber which is sealed in 7 sheaths and within them is the serpent fire. Someone here correctly mentioned that a small amount of the fire comes out all the time and is partly responsible for animating our bodies with life and supplying us with the power to create...aka the sex activity or even just creating things like music or ideas. But it is largely sealed and for good reason.

The natural way for this unsealing to happen is by a gentle, gradual unwrapping of the sheaths by an action initiated by ones own higher self according to a safe timetable. This is something which just "happens" and, although it still takes a lot of work and patience to accomodate, it brings a greatly enhanced state of consciousness which also brings with it an understanding of what's happening and how to deal with it.

There are lots of ways that people use to "take heaven by force" which I believe is the inner meaning to this phrase, which is to force the raising of the Kundalini without regard to any commitment to true spiritual attainment or union with God. Some do it by having sex but teaching themselves to stop short of orgasm and forcefully willing the light up the spinal stalk and into the higher chakras. Others mentally focus on the base chakra and rupture the sheath by sheer will power. These people almost always get hurt pretty bad. Others have figured out ways to erode the sheath away by applying pranic energy to the base chakra which kind of burns the sheath away. This may be a little more gentle since it takes time, and you may get the benefit of numerous smaller releases which either cause you to smarten up and back away, or else it will have the effect of clearing the pathway by burning away dross a little more gradually. It will still hurt though, and if it gets out of control you're screwed.

The way I would advise people to proceed is to work on your heart chakra, make it a kind of magnet of love. Do lots of NEW which will serve two purposes, 1. It will teach you to be able to manipulate energy via your will. 2. It will gradually purify and cleanse your chakras and connecting pathways so that Kundalini will not tear you up and damage things when she comes. The other thing is to meditate on ones highest conception of God or ones higher self and practice communing with a blindingly bright Light/Intelligence hovering above you. Talk to it and send your love and desire for reunion. It is your self--your Greater Self. It is a guru you can always count on. Here is a visual representation of what I'm talking about:

http://www.prismgraphicdesign.com/presence.jpg

These are artists renderings of a visual way to relate to our higher self. I've found that by looking at the bright, shining figure in the pictures, I begin to actually make contact with my own higher self. And once you get the hang of it you don't need the picture.

quote:Originally posted by volcomstone

boydster- Are you referring to the founder of kriya yoga? or is that a different siddha?

those yoginis aka siddha aka perfect being are something interesting,
its my dream to achieve such greatness in my lifetime.

Yes, Babaji is the man. I haven't read any of Yogananda's books lately so I can't remember all the peoples names in that lineage going down to Yogananda and the SRF organization. But Babaji started kriya yoga and remains on earth as an unascended master and guru to many.

The attainment of even those who are twice removed from him in this lineage is stagering by western standards. Levitation, bilocation, perfect mental telepathy, karmaless....

Volcomstone, do you know kriya yoga? If so, could you explain to us if and how it relates to NEW and prana. I've been wondering about this for some time. I don't know Kriya myself. I have a friend who's done it for years but he has a hard time explaining it.

Thanks!

quote:Originally posted by achilles

Hi Boydster,
So do you think that an advanced soul, whose intentions are pure, and who has mastered kundalini in previous lives, will naturally be protected from being fried or going nuts, even if it is induced rapidly with intense practice?

I'm not sure that I'd state it exactly as you have. Inducing rapidly with intense practice seems to me to be a rash act no matter who you are. Robert Bruce frankly mentions that he died (temporarily) the first time he did it....[:O]

I would, however, say that one who has mastered Kundalini in past lives has probably formed for himself a set of physical/spiritual bodies (this time) which are capable of somewhat greater ease and eficacy at doing it again. Spiritual mastery is at least semi-permanent. The soul remembers the path, and each new set of bodies are the product of past good karma and attainment.

With pure intent, it seems, the timetable for these things isn't something which needs a lot of hurriedness or hand-wringing. There is a rhythm and cadence to everything in life. If one simply desires to reunite with the higher self with all his heart and soul, the path will unfold.

For instance, I believe that quit a few catholic saints have experienced Kundalini. When it unfolds naturally it doesn't have to entail a monumental eruption. And once the light begins to flow, the person can see what is happening and learns to work with it in an instinctive and natural way.

Look up Saint Francis of Paola. The guy was an adept in every sense of the word...he could levitate, walk on water, precipitate physical objects, read minds, etc. But if you read the story of his life, he never read books about Kundalini or practiced any "techniques" that he got from others. He became one with his higher self through intense, consistent desire and love. The Kundalini and everything else just fell into place.

People seem to miss the fact that if you don't have a very intense tethering to the higher self, then even forcing the Kundalini and gaining a bunch of psychic powers doesn't actually give you access to that much energy. You've got to tap into the Source.

Thanks, James!

It's a topic very near to my heart. I've been thinking of this issue for a couple of days now and have a few more insights.

I really think that (as has been stated by RB and others)the Kundalini is the way provided by God for a soul to ascend out of this mortal condition. A very natural manifestation of this is as follows:

A ripe old soul who has had enough bs down here after a few thousand lifetimes or so, feels the need to move on in consciousness. The power of unification is what we call "Love" and the desire to reunite with ones Source or God Presence becomes an all encompassing preocupation at a certain stage in the career of a soul. So while the soul is earnestly desiring God, her love pulls down the divine masculine fire which, over time and through much devotion (many years or even lifetimes) purifies the bodies and chakras of the seeker.

When this purification has reached a stage appointed by that higher self, a fundamental change happens. Metaphorically, the soul beginning her ascent back to God as represented in the loosening of the seed atom or Kundalini, and the feminine aspect of the personality of God ascends up the spinal stalk to reunite with her lord, the masculine aspect of God in the crown chakra. The action is liberating.

So, it's something that is completely natural and doesn't need to be learned, like some magic trick. At least that's my take on it. I'm well aware that there are ways of hastening this process, some more defensible than others. In the case of a soul who is getting closer and closer to the last incarnation, and has mastered the Kundalini in past lives, the shortening of the process via yogic practices is natural and is entirely waranted. But for those who artificially force this action, with the only goal in mind being the gaining of advantage over others via psychic powers or the agrandizement of the ego, I think that there are grave risks. Ones motives should be carefully investigated.

The guy in my avatar pic is called Babaji, and he is a famous saint from India who is mentioned in the book "Autobiography of a Yogi" by Yogananda. He can definitely levitate, along with a lot of other cool stuff, like dematerialize himself, create physical objects from pure energy, etc. And I believe it says that he's over 300 years old too.

The answer to levitation is God....becoming one with God. It isn't a matter of practicing psychic tricks. Unless a person joins completely with his God Presence or Higher Self through years of surrender and spiritual discipline, along with balancing his karma, that person would never have access to the amount of energy needed for things like levitation.

There are documented cases of Catholic saints who levitate into the air while in a state of ecstasy of prayer to God. Whoops...there's God again.

The good news is that this stuff is available to everyone. And you don't have to join a church or something like that. But I think that the only ones who make enough spiritual progress in one life to demonstrate these powers are those who devote their whole life to God, good works and personal discipline and sacrifice. Those are the people who are entrusted with ENORMOUS amounts of energy. It's because they can be trusted not to misuse it.

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quote:Originally posted by pl

Hi! i have a question for all of you!
When dealing the so called energy, do you really feel that energy climbing through from you arms through your palms? because i've practice for 3 years and i did not get any results!

Everyone I know who has tried it for more than 10 minutes can feel it tangibly.

By practice for 3 years, do you mean you've read the text of the NEW manuscript many times over and done all the exercises in a methodical way, spending up to an hour or more every day for 3 years? That's what I would mean if I said I practiced at something for 3 years. Just want to see if we're on the same wavelength.[]

quote:Originally posted by Targa

 I was wondering if anyone has attempted to manipulate other people's energy bodies.  What I mean is, not, as Robert Bruce describes, healing people, but rather direct manipulation [snip]  So if, for example, I was to do a stirring action on my wife's feet, would she feel it, and would it work?  Has anyone ever attempted this?  ie: can we work on other people's energy bodies the same way we work on our own?

This is an interesting question. I've never tried it. I've always thought of the awareness hands technique as merely a metaphore for the focussing of ones attention on a specific location in space. I guess if you put a bunch more energy into the effort then maybe you could extend your own energy field out as a kind of tentacle and do what you describe.

What would your wife do if you succeeded? Would it freak her out? Mine is ok with my weird activities and is actually a very spiritual person. I'll try it with her.

When I was in my late teens I embarked on a definite spiritual quest. I fasted regularly and I engaged in several types of yoga which were designed to clear the chakras and the etheric body. I engaged in this type of discipline for something like 2-4 hours per day for about 4 years.

One day when doing a meditation on the Divine Mother Aspect of God, I started to feel a strong burning sensation in my chest which sent me into bliss. I'd never encountered anything so strong and it really concerned me. It happened the next day and the next. Finally, I remembered reading about Kundalini in a Theosophy book and put two and two together.

From there I always said prayers to an Ascended Master to protect me and keep me from harming myself with the Kundalini fire. Over the next few years I taught myself to move the fire into whatever chakra I wanted and hold it there for as long as I desired. This practice has given me many of the traditionally stated experiences and abilities (google "Kundalini" and read for several weeks) that are mentioned in popular literature.

That said, I have to echo James warnings. If you go ahead with trying to forcibly raise Kundalini but you don't have your chakras and spinal channels cleared out and your emotional life in order, you may well land in a mental hospital or worse. I've heard it said that Kundalini "brings liberation to yogis and bondage to fools". If you say, "I accept all the risks" it makes me think that you think you can play with dynamite and just get lucky.

Regarding finding a guru....I didn't have one in embodiment. I kept a very tight relationship with an Ascended Master through devotion, prayer and constant good works over years of time. This is available to anyone, anywhere. If you don't have the humility or patience for this then you really, really shouldn't be getting involved with Kundalini.

I subscribe to an email list for people who have experienced (mostly) premature or unwanted Kundalini awakenings. The suffering many of these people endure for months and years is pitiful. Yes, even people who aren't ready and are otherwise in pain sometimes have periods of ecstasy and cosmic awareness. But if you get acquainted with their whole lives you would see that they went from being normal functioning people to semi invalids.

Learn to do NEW. Become a master at it and do it for 2-3 years. Read all you can about Kundalini and get into the spiritual aspect of it. You're dealing with GOD here. It's not just some mechanical thing you do to gain psychic powers.

I appologize if I've sounded patronizing. But it's really a serious thing and I get kind of fired up if I think people are approaching something like this with a cavalier attitude.

Lest you think my reply was just to be a poop-head, you asked specifically for a technique to do the raising. I told you how I did it.

Hi Targa,

Welcome to the Pulse!

Thanks for taking the time to write all that out. There are people cruising around here who are in all stages of discovering and learning, and your description was very articulate.

I've been doing NEW for about 4 months now and I'm very pleased to have learned it. I practice it every day and I find that it's a very worthwhile way to spend dead time like sitting in boring meetings and such...heh, heh.

I'm a very visually oriented person also and so I cheat and visualize a lot also. But it's not cheating if you have the tactile feedback of course. Here's another trick which you'll get to at some point.

Remember The Matrix...."There is no spoon.."? Well, the prana energy which we draw into the body during NEW can be regarded as an extension of ones own body and consciousness and drawn in and moved around inside the body without any of the awareness hands manipulation, etc. I don't ever do the awareness hands any more. I just draw the luminous cloud of energy into my feet and hands and move it to my sub-naval storage area or a chakra with just my will. So moving the little vitality globules is simply an act of will, like moving a finger or walking.

It helps at first to imagine that your subnaval storage area has become a localized vacuum and is pulling the energy in. But later you can even dispense with that.

I've been practicing raising Kundalini into my upper chakras for almost 20 years but for a long time I've been stuck with a fairly mild level of Kundalini. But I'm finding now that with regular NEW energy raising and working on my root chakra, I'm getting into much more intense levels of Kundalini than ever before. So I consider that NEW is something that God directed me to because it's the perfect thing for me now.

Have you had any success discussing NEW with anyone in your life? Family members think you're going whacko??