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quote:Originally posted by daem0n

i sense a shield around you, but it is weak, i can pierce it with a single thought (fixed it, of course [])

don't worry though, just make layers of them, and practise hard, in time they will get stronger

be advised that they are purely for your confidence at this point, they won't stop anything (well, except bad emotions, i guess)

try making them sense things around you so you will know when you are played with, and wake you up if you are asleep (if you have a beeper just remember the reaction (feeling) you have when it wakes you up) now this one is a must, saved my butt a few times

the feeling of being shielded can be compared to being confined, or wrapped in cloth at some distance of the body, you will feel them clearer in time as you hone your senses

Thanks for the advice.

BTW, can you really sense a shield around me and my energy?? If it's possible to sense people you have never seen an pic of or talked to them via phone then how can you sense them??? And is it difficult, or is easy enough for me to learn??

quote:Originally posted by The AlphaOmega

Bad mouthing Mormonism isn't going to enlighten you.  I also use to be Mormon, and fell away because I thought it was a little extreme in the sense that there was pretty much a rule for everything.  But it helps them to have a good and positive life and that can't all be bad.  As for a cult, if you were Mormon and paid any attention you'd know that's fallacy.  Religion is not for everyone, but a lot of people do need it to give them hope and drive through life.  Living life by thinking negativily about a certain idea without knowing all there is to know about it is not going to improve your life.  Let people believe what they want and you are free to do the same.  As far as hell goes, well, never seen it.  I don't see hell as fire and brimstone.  I think it's a state of mind.  I think you can create your own existence in the after life based on whatever you choose.  Someone who is genuinly evil will retain such thoughts in the afterlife and create their world around that, to suit their comfort level.  And I think it'll most likely have country music to torment our eternal soul [], but maybe that's my own little hell on earth.  16 years old though?  I was in a very similar place as you when I was 16 as well.  As the years go by you'll learn new ideas and eventually find the one that works for you.  But you won't find it tomorrow.  So keep searching.

I wasn't really trying to badmoutn the religon, just show my frustraion and anger because my parents can't think for themselves.

  I do agree though that religon is for some people. Some people need a little guide to help them find themselves and get closer with god. I just think that some of the ideas that these religons are saying are crazy. I mean some of it I really wonder why some of these people belive it. Obviously because they grew up with it or found these new ways. I dont know, it's all really frusterating. I can't see their being one true religon at all. They mostly have some good intentions and good family values and a path of living with a higher power, but I just can't belive everything they say and that everyone who doesn't follow them will go to hell.

I think that god (if there is one) really wants us to go are own ways and live life the best we can. We don't have to follow some crazy religon or try to be perfect. We just live our lives to the fullest and that would be enough. Besides, some of these religons really portray god as some what as a dictator. That we all must bow down to this higher power. even if god is as great as he says he is, he wouldn't make us do that. No way.

And thanks Alieron for understanding.

And Alpha Omega, there is such thing as cults. Trust me if you have been around mormonism as much as I as there is no way you can say that they are not a cult. Another example is Johova Witneses.Their even worse.

Well there's my two sense. And sorry if I don't sound as smart as the rest of you on these forums. Again, i am only 16, and not as book smart as a lot of my friends. But I do find that I am very street smat and think that that is good enough

quote:Originally posted by Rastus

It is most definately posible.  Likely?  No.  By the time you get to that point, you most certainly won't be discussing it on here []  To reach that point, you will have no ego, and without ego, there's no reason to post about it now is there?

Good Point.

I'm sure that there are a few that can fly, but would they really need to gloat and brag aboout it??? Besides, imagine if a ton of people on these forums could fly, if society ever saw them flying, they would never except them. But then again, who care about society??

Thanks James. This does make more sence to me now.

In the sense of time, what do you make on travel? If we can mentally go through time in certain states mentally, then  why hasn't anyone been able to go through time psychially?

Also, have any of you had an AP or OBE where you saw yourself in the future? What was it like??? And is the future worst than today withc is pretty tough too do.

Finally, What do you guys make on John Titor? He claims that he traveled here on our time frame in the year 2000 and came from the year 2036 in his time??? Do you belive this at all?

Check out www.johntitor.com

quote:Originally posted by daem0n

if you feel drained, find the links/tentacles and pull in your way, you will regain energy and scare the living s*** out of them
tested on humans [}:)]

Links/tentactles?? how would this scare the living crap out of a human?

So are we all energy vampires without relizing it sometimes?? And can you be considered negative/evil yourself if you borrow energy from another human for your own purposes even if you are sick or drained?

quote: Hi,
it happens to me a few times a week too.I believe that subconsciously,probably more when we are sleeping,we visualise and decide our future.Some of these visualized images reappear sometimes to our conscious mind.That's my opinion.

Yes but if somthing happened to us 6 months ago, and that exact image/event happens to us today, how is that deciding our future if the event has already happened more than once?? And why would these images reappear to our concious mind? Is it a sign to see the same event happen again?

You are right Ratus I do need to meditate more. I have been to focused in NEW and trying to accomplish an OBE. I guess I will experience a full OBE when I'm ready but I definitly need to prepare myself better for nex time.

Ratus: Yes I understand but still can't relax. Thanks for the advice.

The reason that I'm still shoken up about having a panic attack while attempting an OBE is the fact that I still have the symptoms from when I attempted an OBE. IT's been 2 days since this has happened and my neck is still cracking when I feel it, I hear cracking sounds in my ear, it still hurts some when I inhale, and my chest hurts. The pain has subsided a bit but I still have about 75% of the Symptoms. You can understand while that I can't relax all that well if all this is happening. I was just wondering if this is normal and when these symptoms would go away so I could attempt to have an OBE again.

Its weird though, I think I had my 5 second Obe while having this panic attack. When I was in the final stage of the trance, I imagined myself floating out of my body and climbing the rope and the vibrations got harder and harder and my chest was in pain. I thought this was part of the process so thats why I continued.

Also, when I had the OBE, there first became a whitening to my vision under my closed eyelids then it became so I could see my room in a light blue color. Now is this normal as well?? I am not sure if my panic attack during my OBE caused this or this is part of a strobe effect or somthing.

One more question, I read some where that I may be experiencing an opening of my Kundalini with the werid cracking feeling to my neck and ears and the blue light during my OBE. Is this accurate??

(BTW..... I've only been practing to OBE for a month so I am sorry if I irritate you with stupid questiongs?)

Rastus you were right. I did have a panic attack.

I looked up the symptoms and causes of a panic attack and I definitly fit their description. I guess one of the ways you can have a panic attack other than a near deat experience or overwhelming stress, is by meditation and self absorbition. They said these things can trigger the trance state which I was in. Unfortunetly I might still carry out some of the symptoms I recieved unless I get medication or somthing.

I am guessing that a Panic attack is a type of involuntarily OBE where it can happen randomly or can be triggered by fear or stress. I guess I paniced a little bit and didn't even realize it.

Have any of you had a panic attack while trying to have an OBE? If so, when did you try another OBE attempt and how long did your stymptems last if you had any?

Thank you

I acutally think I had a partial OBE for 3 seconds. When I was attempting this OBE, I was lying in my bed and it was about 3 AM so it was totally Dark. When my eyelids started to open involuntairlym I acutally saw my room and it was in a bluish color. I was trying to close my eyes but they kept lifting up. Right before this happened, it became more white behind my eyelids then they started to lift up. I don't know what happened, when they were lifting up, I just imagined my self walking in my room but I failed.

I tried this OBE about 20 hours ago and I still have the symptoms that I had after I failed to OBE. Every time I inhale it hurts and there is constant pain in my Chest. My voice is higher and my neck hurts. I felt my neck and it felt like there might be a bone that was cracked or somthing. It also hurts to swallow.

Now, are these really syptoms of a panic attack or did I really hurt myself trying to OBE?? Is this normal and has this happened to any of you.

Thanks for the help.

The other day I went for another go at an OBE. I ot to the heaay vibration step and paralysis phase within in 5-10 min.This is usually never a problem. Then I started the rope technique. Within a few minutes the vibrations were getting louder and a more heavy sensation acame upon my body.

Unfortunetly, i did the rope technique for about 15-20 min and couldnt get out of my body. The sensations would come and go at the heavist part. When a thought came through my head, i kept thinking allmost there, you can do this, keep climbng the rope. But I was unsuccessful.

Now I said that I tried the rope technique for about 15-20 min. That meant i only remembered trying to climb the rope for 15-20 min. Because after that point, my thought process had slowed down andi was a little bit dizzy. All in all I attempted this OBE for about an hour without me realizing the time.

I was a lot closer I think this time but wont be satisfied until i acheive a OBE.

Thank you.

But if i want to achieve an OOBE, dont i need to be in paralysis or have strong vibrations throughout the body?? I can get to this step easily but can't get out of body. It's frustrating.

How long did it take you all to achieve an OOBE?

any suggestions??