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"People are strange....when you're a stranger....faces look ugly....when you're alone....."

Ooops, sorry.  Jim Morrison flashback.  Welcome to the forums!

quote:Originally posted by acidmax120
I would need around 90-100 mb filespace to upload a lower quality mp3 version. I dont have access to that kind of webspace but if you do, we can make something happen.

90-100 Mb?  That's a pretty large MP3 file, man.

Hey Colin....

Great post, my friend.  Nothing beats the first one.  You'll always remember it.

Just a couple of things I wanted to mention.

1) The muffled voice - This is something that is quite common.  I have verified this myself.  On certain occassions, my voice either came out really soft, or really muffled.  I remember even SHOUTING at the top of my lungs once, and all that came out was a distant replica of my voice.  Very weird.  However, when you don't think about it, your communication seems to flow as it normally does in your waking life.

2) The realness - I'm glad you realized the absolute REALNESS of the experience.  I often tell people that when I have an OBE, the realness is so...REAL....that I often have to stick my hand through the wall or through the floor, just to convince myself that I'm really out of my body.  

There is no denying the fact that you're having an OBE when you finally have one.  Don't you find that to be the case?  Someone may say, "Colin, can you PROVE that this was real?"  But you feel like, "You know what?  It don't matter because I KNOW that it was real.  Everything in my being verified that I was really there and experiencing an OBE."

So congratulations.  I hope you have many more.  You may want to download the free OBE Journal program I wrote in order to keep all your experiences logged and tracked for future analysis.  Just click the link in my signature below.

This "wind" is quite common.  In fact, I usually feel it when I am separating into the black void, which is like this vast emptiness of space that can be quite scary.

The wind almost feels like a vacuum of air being sucked around your face and body.

I wouldn't worry too much about it.  And regarding the looking back, you will only see your body if you're ready to see it.  I have looked back on a number of occassions and never seen my body, which kind of threw me for a loop.  However, recently, I have started to see it, so I've concluded that in my case, I just needed to advance my perception to the point where I could handle my body laying there and not freak out.

I used to know and talk to this guy waaay back in the day....we're talking around the year 2000 and before.

Back then, he was working on a technique (the Suneye Method) which if I remember correctly, had a lot to do with simply focusing on the third eye.

I lost touch with him (even know, it looks like he diverts his website to some stupid sponsor ad).....but I remember getting the impression that he was getting a little carried away with all of this.  

I would say that if he is now charging money for his techniques, then be very cautious.  A lot of people think they have the "magic technique" which can induce an OBE in a majority of people, and then they copyright it as their own...as if they invented it.  When in all actuality, you don't invent any OBE technique.  You either uncover something that always existed, or you rearrange previous focus/relaxation techniques from others and make it your own.

I also see a lot of people's motives from my own website expereince.  Many of you know that I run a successful humor website, which has been mentioned on TV and Radio, getting over 300,000 daily visitors a day.  Way back when I started the site, I promised myself that I would never charge a penny for the humor on the site, no matter what.

Now, as the site has gotten bigger, I have been TEMPTED to do that very thing, but I always come back to my senses.  It would be going against my word, and why backstab all the people who look forward to the free humor I provide?

My point is that I see Suneye and others the same way.  There was a time when they would be happy to freely share techniques that make it easier to have an OBE....but at some point, they get it in their head that they could "get rich" and make money off these ideas.  Then they wax intellectual and make their techniques sound very marketable.

Here's my final analysis.  If you want to make money off an OBE technique, then write it down in a book and sell the book.  Otherwise, don't act like you have a "product" when you don't.  This is why I wrote my topic, "Jeff's OBE Tips."  I could easily compile that in a book (and I might someday), but in the meantime, I freely share the same tips that help me project with all of you.

Please don't double post.  I had to delete the other two identical messages you posted regarding the "Astral Wildlife" in two other forums.

Thank you.

Ybom,

I went ahead and moved your topic under the "Dreams" forum instead of the "OBE Discussions" forum.  Let me know if you have a problem with this.

[Dont you have to be at a some kind of trance to even enter the astral planes?]

quote:Originally posted by Kerrblur
Dont you have to be at a some kind of trance to even enter the astral planes?

Ryan, to me, "trance" and "altered state of consciousness" is the same thing.

Most people hear the word "trance" and they automatically think of it as something to do with your BODY.  In MY mind, I think of trance as something to do with your MIND.

So I can rephrase your question above to sound like this: "Don't you have to be in some kind of altered state of consciousness/awareness to even enter the astral planes?"

The answer is yes!  

So what is an altered state of consciouness?  We have them all the time, even right now.  For example, I just thought about this cool online Internet game I play. For about two seconds, I was picturing my soldier running through the game, shooting people.  Then I came back to my thoughts here, in front of this computer, to write about it.  For those two seconds, my consciousness was altered away from the physical and shifted to the mental.

You can be in an altered state of consciousness when you're WIDE awake (think about hypnotism), and you can be in an altered state of consciousness when you're wide asleep (think of deep dreaming).

All you're really doing is turning away from the "here-now" and focusing inwards...at your thoughts....at your consciousness....

There is a whole WORLD of things going on, just in your head alone.  Take that time to sit back and observe it when you lay down.  Explore it and learn from it.  If you find the right balance, you will stay conscious while this is taking place, and soon induce an OBE.

quote:Originally posted by kiauma
Is it a possibility to have the data stored in a database folder for use with any installation of the journal?

Yes, that is a good suggestion that I can work on adding in the future as well.

quote:
No. By 'Outlook' I mean mental outlook, positive, negative, neutral, or some such.  By 'Health' I mean physical health, whether sick or well, energetic or tired, something like that.

Those can be added as well.

quote:Originally posted by Kerrblur

Okay, I tried this, and it seemed to work pretty well, but I failed because I couldnt figure out how to get to 'Astral Planes' like you said, I started to see the 3-D blackness shape up, and make inward forming circles (Circles would appear, and shape its self smaller and then start over).  But I didnt really know when to start thinking about (i.e Astral Pulse Island) the astral planes.

 I started getting vibrations, and heaviness, the eye thing and mind set was great! but this thing you said about it 'sucking' you in, wasnt catching to me, and then part I mentiuoned where I could figure out when to think about the astral planes, cause 'I DO NOT' like the RTZ anymore lol starting to get to me. If there a way to bypass the RTZ, I wanna learn it in its simplest terms if you can! thanks alot!

Ryan, when this happened to me last, I wasn't PLANNING on going anywhere in specific.  In both instances, I just observed the 3D shapes that were forming in my field of vision.....and once I locked onto one of them, it eventually solidified into an colorful environment.  

From THAT point, you can go wherever you want, or simply explore where you ended up, like I did.

quote:Originally posted by kiauma
Jeff, does your OBE journal have a category to track 'Outlook' or 'Health'?

Not yet.  Is 'outlook' and 'health' synonomous in the context above?  I can always add that as a future feature to the program.  Here are some other things I will also be adding in the future:

1) A password protected authentication box, which will require all who open the program to enter a password before viewing anything.  This will protect nosey spouses from reading what we type!

2) Encrypted journal files.  Right now, all the journal entries are saved in a plain text format.  That means that it's possible to navigate to their directory and read the journal entries from there.  I will end up encrypting these, so that the only way to view them will be through the journal (which will be password protected).

3) Another user requested that in addition to the "OBE Journal" and "Dream Journal" options, that I simply add another "Generic Journal" option, for those of you who just want to log some other metaphysical related entries into the program without the need to analyse them.

quote:Originally posted by kiauma
Restlessness and mental turmoil may work for you Jeff, but it is hard for me to think of myself entering trance with that kind of distraction.

Perhaps I could have rephrased my explanation better.  I don't want to give the impression that restlessness and mental turmoil "work for me." []

As an example, I (along with many others) have found projection somewhat easier when we were SICK.  Now, I can only speak for myself here, but I am certainly not happy when I'm sick.  So how could I have OBE's during that time?

I believe that when we are sick (or to keep it in context, when we are unhappy), we are more restless.  We don't have such a deep sleep.  Instead of sleeping all through the night, we may toss and turn.  We may get up frequently.  All of these interuptions can sometimes work to our advantage by keeping us near that fine line between wakefullness and asleep....and therein lies one of the keys to having an OBE.

That is what I was trying to say.  However, I agree with you that surrendering yourself is a better approach to projecting.  Not just a total surrender to the process, but also trusting that everything is going to be alright.

Yes, I believe this to be true.  Just like remembering what your favorite food smells like will make your mouth water, pulling from past OBE sensations and focusing on them can help get you to that place in the future.

Think of the tapes and other aids like training wheels on a bike.  After a while, you find the balance needed to ride the bike and you discard the training wheels.

Hi Janette [],

quote:Originally posted by Janette_DuCharme
Like my legs will kick and its like a mila second of a seizure lol I've heard its called overshooting sometimes if you use to much energy its like a jolt but whats your take on it? any other experiences like this?

This does happen every now and then.  I look at it like this.  Your physical body and mind are primed for an OBE, right?  You're just on the borderline between the astral and your imagination.  For all intents and purposes, the shift in consciousness is milliseconds away from shifting to your astral consciousness.

Then, all of the sudden, when part of your astral body starts to move, your physical consciousness quickly takes back over and says, "WHOAAAA! Wait a minute!!!!!"

And instead of your astral leg/arm/etc moving, your physical body reacts instead.

That's just my take on it.

quote:
And also I have had this annoying little thing that has happened to me ever since I began astralling a few years ago while I was in the middle of my OBE and my body had become very relaxed obviously and my nose would get this tingly itch and I'd have to scratch it because it would become very distracting. but it wasnt one that went away, now I heard somewhere this can mean that someone wants to prevent you from astralling but I dont believe that one bit.

Sounds like an old wives tale to me.  I wouldn't believe that for one second.  Ok, maybe for one second, but definitely not two! []

quote:
and the other i've heard is that someone who is astrally there with you or is visiting is trying to make you aware of them and get your attention now I figure this is the right explanation because I do have a number of permanant astral companions and lovers with me, so any other ideas that may be helpful?

I would believe that before I believe that it's someone trying to prevent you from going OBE.

Better yet, I think it just means your nose is itching, plain and simple!  No need to get too deep about this one.  []

Kiauma,

I also agree, and here is why.  You kind of touched on it already, but a happy person is one who is content.  One who is not worried, one who is not thinking erratically, and generally one who has peace of mind.

All of these things make relaxation and introspection much easier.

Think about it.  Who has the easier time relaxing: the person who has a big job interview tomorrow, or the person who already has the job?

So I believe happiness is the key in so much as happiness brings a lot of the positive characteristics and outlook that is needed to be successful in conscious OBE exploration.

I would argue that those of us who've had OBE's while NOT being happy (aka Content, satisfied) merely did so because our restlessness and mental turmoil kept our thoughts moving erratically in our minds, like a needle moving back and forth on a record...and by chance, we happened to get into that pre-OBE state of mind where we were able to project.

quote:Originally posted by robertk4you

hehehe i will try my best next time

Good man.  Thanks for not taking offense. []

quote:Originally posted by Aries

Hmm, ok I didnt know it was brought up already. Sorry.
Anyways though, so did anyone on the site actually use these? I still plan to atleast try them... possibly home made or boughten, not sure yet.

Hey Aries....let us all know how they work out, alright?  

Oh, and by the way, I'm selling the Golden Gate Bridge for a really cheap price.  Interested?  []

quote:Originally posted by wisp

Hey Jeff,
Great traveling. The mental travel is what I usually do. I have rarely done the astral body thing. Do you hope to have more mental travels? I hope you do!

Wisp,

This was the first one that I was able to recognize, let's put it that way.  In every one of my other projections, I was at least able to flail my arms around, even in the black void.

This was the first time I was able to say, "Hmmmm, this is slightly different!"

quote:
It seems to me you did do some time travel. I wonder if you caused a haunt at your old house?[] Just curious, anything out of the ordinary happen while you lived in the house of your past. I was thinking maybe something may have happened to you back then that may have marked your time travel visit.  

Nothing out of the ordinary ever happened there.  However, it IS my childhood home.  I grew up there the first 18 years of my life, and 75% of ALL my OBE's seem to take me there.

quote:
In particular, I wonder if there is a difference between the etheral body and the astral body. I don't know enough to respond to that thread.

I admit that I am no expert or authority on the different energy bodies.  In fact, I used to read other people's experiences where they described themselves as just a point of consciousness, bodiless, in some astral environment....and I would think, "Well, isn't that special." <Dana Carvey church lady impression>

But after having this mental projection, I know see the difference between the astral and the mental.  Although there is still so much more to learn.

As far as the difference between the etheric and the astral bodies, most people say that the etheric is the closest one to your physical body.  If you ever project by rolling out of your body or something, and things are really heavy, sluggish, or otherwise immobile, chances are that you're still in your etheric body, which is closely binded with the physical body.

They say when you sleep, it's the etheric body which expands a few inches above your body, and this is what draws in a lot of energy to replenish you when you're unconscious.

The astral body is the body above the etheric body, which is free to move far away from the physical without any heaviness and magnetic pull.

Again, I base all this on what I have READ.  While I have experienced all of this many times, I don't know enough to say, "Yes, this was DEFINITELY the etheric body you were in," or "Yes, this was DEFINITELY the astral body you were in."

However, it does make sense to me, what I described above.

quote:Originally posted by Euphoric Sunrise
I wonder what benefits mental projection has over astral projection. This is an area i've only heard a little bit about. Does anybody know of any websites or books that talk about it in more detail?

To me, there really wasn't any benefit one way or another.  The mental projection, as short as it was, felt exactly the same as my normal ones...except that I felt like I wasn't in a body of any kind.  It was just my mind observing.

In fact, I remember at the time thinking, "I wonder if this is what remote viewers feel like?" But I discounted that, since most remote viewers see things like on a screen in their 3rd eye while they are awake.

Meanwhile, I was fully immersed in this environment, as if I were there....possessing all my mental faculties and logical mind.

Again, it was the same as if I were having one of my normal projections, except I had no astral bodily sensations present.

quote:Originally posted by math
Would you agree with this?

I'm not quite sure I fully understand your question, but I'll give it a shot.

For me, the trance state can only take me so far.  When I say trance, I mean getting my mind into an altered state of consciousness.

A lot of times, I feel that we as individuals can only consciously go so far before an "autopilot" reflex takes over.

Imagine a person rolling a bowling ball up one side of a hill.  He has to exert some effort to push and roll that heavy thing upwards, right?  

Then he reaches the top, and he doesn't have to push as hard anymore.

As he nears the descending slope of the other side, he lets go, and the ball slowly starts to roll downward on it's own.....then faster. and faster.

Sometimes I feel our OBE preparation is like that.  Getting into a trance state is like pushing the bowling ball up the hill.  It takes some practice and effort on our part.  However....the MAIN GOAL is to get the ball in a position to roll on its own.

Once we get to this position, we can usually allow ourselves to LET GO a little bit, allow that forward momentum to continue, and then snap our consciousness back into place as an OBE is taking place.

Remember, you can enter this astral/RTZ realm on the border between sleep and the imagination.  It's a very fine line you have to walk, which is why we usually just fall asleep when we try to do it.  Not only that, but passing through this doorway is very subtle.  You may not even realize it when you do it, especially if you don't feel any vibrations or anything like that.

There is just this 'knowing' feeling that comes along with this state of mind, where you KNOW that you can have an OBE at that moment.  Hope that helps somewhat...I know I was long winded but my mind keeps going and going and.....

quote:Originally posted by Kerrblur
So the question I have is this almost like training your eyes to see 'Auras'? because in order to see auras, you have to relaxed your eyes, keep them focused, dont move them, and eventually you'll be trained to see them?

You're on the right track.  Here is what I do to relax them if they are not cooperating with me.

Since I usually try to OBE in a really dark bedroom, I OPEN my physical eyes and just stare into the darkness.  I don't try and look for anything.  In fact, you really can't see anything, just blackness.  So since you aren't focusing on anything in particular, your eyes just start to zone out.  Your eyelids soon get heavy, and before you know it, it feels sooo gooood to close them that they relax on their own.

When I say "stare" into the darkness, I don't mean without blinking.  This isn't an astral staring contest!  You can blink if you need to.  I simply mean that you should "zone out" while keeping your eyes open.  Again, this is to help relax them.

If you don;t have a dark room to do this in, then I suppose you could do it by looking at a particular part of the wall or ceiling....but try not to stare it down.  Just be aware of it....like you're just some fly on the wall or something.  The key is not to use your eyes and make them active, but instead, to wind them down and let them relax.

Hope that helps.

quote:Originally posted by Aileron
god i think im going mad

Can I second that motion? []

Hmmmm, you know, the complete OPPOSITE happens to me.  My wife tells me things all the time, and ten minutes later, I have no knowledge that she even said anything.

For example, she swears she told me to do the dishes and take out the garbage the other night, but I'll be damned if I have any memory of that conversation. []

This has been brought up before.  Here, have a look:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5974&SearchTerms=alexchiu.com

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8371&SearchTerms=alexchiu.com

quote:Originally posted by Nay
Oh..side note.. I get this jolt and buzz, just for a split second, but it doesn't continue, any ideas?

Hmmmm...no idea.  Weird flashes of energetic activity?  That would be my guess.

quote: (How am I doing on the comma's Jeff?)[^]

A lot,better than some,people. []