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I get that when i practice now too. Usually i fall asleep somewhere around this part so im hoping to get past it.

it starts with blobs that are almost the same color as the "blackness" behind my eyes, and as i relax more and more the shapes become more defined.

i believe its the same thing as the closed eye visuals you get on psychedelics, if youve ever experienced that. il bet pictures start to form if you can manage to relax more.

keep practicing

if it is just us - seems like a awful waste of space...

Haha, get back to me in a few thousand years.

We are living in the metaphorical dark years imo  

yeah this is no kiddy club business this is serious stuff. I think the people who payed money deserve to know the truth if anyone is aware. maybe send them pms?

ya know he said he was on the verge of discovering the secret of linear time... maybe he ripped a hole in the spacetime continuum and was deleted from this timeline or something crazy like that! ha heres hoping the lad's ok.

psychedelics are a way to have a dream-like experience in the physical world. what could be more fun?

theres no spirituality or mysticism at all, its simply an f2oc experience, and in the grand scheme of things probably resembles a lucid dream more than anything else. I can see how someone not accustomed to these things could have a life-changing experience but thats only because our culture supresses these types of things.

Ah well, bottom line is if you dont apply any silly beliefs to it, they can be alot of fun

Reincarnation makes no sense, people.

Lets think about it logically.

Where are you before you are born? In some spirit realm somewhere just waiting to be incarnated? This must be the case because in order to have a "past life" theres gotta be some kind of timeline outside of our physical one. So you die and you return to this timeline, only to resurrect as another living being? I dont buy it, sorry.

If there is an afterlife i believe you stay there. It would make no sense to reincarnate.

I like the whole "focus" thing. We are all focuses of one primary essence who creates many(infinite?) physical lives of YOU. when someone "senses" their "past life" it is actually an objective knowledge of a different focus, usually one on a physical timeline resembling ours. If you think about it theres an infinity number of physical universes/timelines with an infinite number of focuses of YOU, so anythings possible.

I think time of day and tiredness have alot to do with it. as long as you can stay aware while your body gets tired you will have success, no matter the technique. everyone should play around with the times they practice, it works

if adrian & frank are such "experts" on the subject of astral projection, why haven't i heard them on coast to coast??? that's where i heard robert, and that's how i ended up here, and interviews like that are a perfect example of real, productive marketing. not a sales "pitch". i'm tired of the come back...."i have proof. i have letters. my way is the only way".

If your definition of expertise is an appearence on a talk show(which is purely for advertising purposes in the first place, just listen to how much they want to sell you next time you listen to C2C!) then you are ignorant. RB wants to sell you his books and keep you entertained with silly beliefs. We're just interested in learning, without fighting demons or having scary experiences or any of that stupid bull****. Some people like that, though. Its all preference.

^Good choice. Even if frank somehow died im sure one of us could contact him in F3oC. Or he would contact us

if it were a con it would be one of the more thought ahead ones as frank has been posting here for 4 or 5 years.

You guys know that franks business and virtual classroom are small gigs. theres probably not much him or his partner can do, maybe it was his brother and he went to visit him or something.

Just wait it out and be patient.

so phasing is like remote viewing, or pure "astral" projection,
where you create a virtual environment in your head, and imagine your self in that environment, and you are walking around it.

The use of a rundown is not required, but it helps. the reason for a rundown is this- the physical consciousness has a really strong grip on us. So to loosen this grip we lay down in the darkness with our eyes closed, with preferabbly no sound(the tapes and stuff work but i go solo, just the way i am) Now once you are laying there you could simply wait for the 3d darkness, or F0 to pop up. This is hard because you keep focusing on your physical body and the sensations that you are recieving. So you create a mental rundown in your head(visualization) to draw your attention away from the physical. THAT is the purpose of the environment, simply to capture your attention so that you can make the "shift" or "phase" from 3rd person, lying there in your bed, to first person, actually INSIDE your environment.

This sounds like "astral projection", not a real Out of Body experience.

If you are going the mental rundown route, then yes, it would technically be more of an astral projection experience than a OBE. But once you are inside your dream environment it is really easy to go backwards into the RTZ and have a more traditional OBE experience. Or you can simply imagine the place you want to go and you will end up there. OBEs, AP, and phasing are all basically the same thing anyway.

Since you get into into a Astral Plane, via Lucid Dreaming, and Projecting
out of your body into the RTZ first, phasing just skips the dreaming naturally bit, and skips the out of body in RTZ zone bit.

In order words you are creating your own dream environment in the astral by means in pure visualisation, and starting off a lucid dream immediately, rather than waking up lucid and realising it's a dream, in an already astral created environment?

Basically, yep. Another word for phasing could be Wake Induced Lucid Dream(WILD). The reason they are so similar is because astral projection, dreaming, lucid dreaming, etc all take place in the same area of  consciousness.

So the phasing methods, is like a concious Lucid Dream? (you never get any OBE sensations, you just know you are "Dreaming" from the start )

Is that correct? So it's like "remote viewing" your own astal built environment?

You could think of it that way. But again, the mental rundown is not necessary, it just helps a whole lot to make the switch from the physical universe to your F2oC(imagination).

Does that mean when in OBE/RTZ going to Astral is going to a place you can actually mentally jump to without actually leaving your body first conciously?

The problem here is you are never IN your body to begin with. Even in physical waking life. It just SEEMS that way to us. When you are in the RTZ, switching to an "astral projection" experience is as simple as closing your "eyes" and focusing on a location. Anything else that might happen is simply a manner of bad beliefs and intent- in other words once you realize there is no difference between OBE/AP/LD it becomes a hell of a lot easier to switch between them.

So the question is how do you create a OBE/RTZ once you are lucid in you r own astral created environment?

Sounds like a fast method of getting obe if you can figure out how to get into RTZ once in your lucid dream environment?

the 180 degree phasing switch bit, must be when you enter Astral so you can create your lucid environment conciously.

Simply place your intent, close your "eyes" and off you go. its really as simple as that. Like i said before, if it doesnt "work" for you its a manner of belief and intent. Just realize that all these things are connected and switching between say, your room in the RTZ and an AP experience is as easy as WANTING to do it.

I've been thinking about the focus ten thing, made another post about what the symptoms of this problem are...I honestly think if I can find the solution to this one I'll have bridged the gap, so to speak.
In the last week I've been trying to phase after going to bed (As normal), to sleep. The funny thing is I can get all kinds of swirly colours/ hypnogogia without even attempting to go the usual route. No mental relaxation, no listening to cd's, etc...I'll just lay there and do something along Franks noticing exercise and it just does it all by itself. I'm starting to wonder if I've been barking up the wrong tree all along? If I can find some awnsers/help to the questions other thread, then I'll stick with that as it quite litterally takes 0 (zero) effort.

Go with the all-natural approach for sure. Ive been doing that since I began and ive had great progress. Just lay down, do the noticing exercise for awhile, then when you feel you are at about focus 3 or 4, start a mental rundown. Youll find that its much easier to engage your imagination. Just be careful of the dream scenarios that start popping up.You can either actively disengage them or try to roll along with them, which would put you into PF2 pretty quickly.

Another tip, try practicing during the day or at different times. I switched it up twice and both times i got "farther" than i ever have practicing before I go to sleep.

Its a common side effect of simply falling deeper and deeper asleep. Dont really want to say if its a non-physical thing or simply a magnification of your body when you fall into a "trance". If you ignored the sensations you could probably have an OBE or lucid dream. The good thing about that is once you start OBE/LDing the sensations get less intense while the experiences get more and more rewarding.

GL!

Dude that focusing thing is exactly what happened to me! As soon as I focused in on an object in my dream the vibrations would start! Then it spread to my head and I gave up...

Anyway your seeing the room around you because you are in F2oC- not F1oC which you are used to. It probably looked exactly like your real room because that is what you expect to see when you wake up. Its not necessary to picture your room when you get up, try picturing a beach or forest or something

it is a roadblock of sorts- but now that you recognize it next time it happens simply go "hey, thats cool" and dont think any more about it. try focusing your attention on a mental rundown.

Its good that your able to get that far at all...the real thing shouldnt be to far away

I've been trying to AP for close to four months now, but to no avail. I've reached (or think I've reached) the Focus 10 state, but I'm having trouble telling, because I don't feel the "vibrations" that I've been reading about, nor have I hear any cracks, pops or fizzles. On rare occasions (twice) I've felt as if my body was "bent" away from the straight position that I began in.

You dont need to hear any bursts, pops, or fizzes. Some people get some of these, others get nothing. Just dont look for it, it will slow your progress.

1. After being in (what i believed to be) mind awake/body asleep state, and i try to exit my body, I just end up still being in the physical. I've tried different exit methods, such as mental/written mantras and the "Rope" technique, but nothings doing. Same deal with opening my "astral eyes". I just open my physical eyes and the state fizzles away Do i need to deepen my state of consciousness or is there a "better" technique that I've missed?

You probably just try to "exit" your body too early. Just sit back and watch what happens- you will know when you are ready to exit your body.

2. I've read that having the room pitch black is not advisable. I don't mean to say that you should beam a halogen lamp on your bed, but I read that the room should be dimly lit. Any truth to this? I ask because a) I prefer the dark and b) I really get a reaming by the parental units for leaving a light on all night.

Really doesnt matter, my best session so far was at noon in a half-lit room.

3. What exactly IS phasing? This has been the only place where I've heard the term used.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17413
Check out the "Permanent Topics" and "Astral FAQ" forums for more info. Those things are a gold mine of information, and information is after all the most powerful tool when youre phasing.

4. My room has lots of electronic equipment in it, but at night it all goes off. Is it possible that all the cables and whatnot cause electric disturbance (Therefore hindering the projection attempt?)

No, haha. Dont have to worry about anything except the area behind your eyelids and whatever your going through at the moment.

5. Quite often during meditation, I'll get itches which eventually go away if I ignore em long enough but the killer thing is that if i stay in a trance for about an hour, my legs feel this need to move. I dunno if have RLS or if it's an astral clue that I'm missing. In any case, I don't know what to do when that happens and thinking about it ruins the statement

You simply have some barriers that you will need to cross naturally- it sounds like your looking for too much. When you practice simply lay down and observe the darkness behind your eyelids. You will eventually start to have little "dream scenarios". Try not to get stuck in these, simply observe them and roll along with them. The real key is just letting the experience flow. Sit back and watch the blackness until you are either out of body or in your F2oC.
Hope I helped,
Ben

I cant remember much right now...but its sort of like someone attached an electrical taser to your chest and is running energy through your body. It changes sometimes, like I said i had a huge burst of energy in my head and then i said "screw it".

Yeah right now i would roll with whatever experience I could manage, just at the time it felt so new and weird to me I suppose It will happen again and I will be able to control it more.

As for what I was doing, simply laying in my bed sleeping

So this morning i had to get up to go to work at 8. i got home about 11:30 and decided to take a nap and try to make some progress on phasing. So far ive been practicing once a day- at night before I go to bed. Usually I can make it to a light f10- some colors, sounds and "dream scapes" etc.

Well I became lucid in a dream and very quickly two things happened. 1) I started flying away from the dream, literally. It was like I was being swept back to my body. As soon as this happened I found myself in the 3d darkness. I was experiencing some intense vibrations and found that If i focused my "minds eye" on a spot in the blackness it would slowly evolve into a dream scenario. Also there was some sort of sound going on this whole time, sort of like wind rushing past my ears. Has anyone experienced this?

I did this once, then found myself back in the 3d blackness, with yet more vibrations. If i had been my "normal" self I would have indulged in experiencing these for the first time, but in my half-dream state I could not handle it. All of a sudden my head EC felt like it exploded, and I just gave up. I found myself back in my room, with slight tingles, but for the most part just groggy. I felt great that I had at least made progress, but I wished I would have kept going with the vibes.

So has anyone else experienced the vibrations or the "wind" sound? Just thought I would share my first experience with you guys, maybe it will help someone

Also, FYI I have been practicing for about 4 months now, if that gives you a timeframe

I recently came to a revalation about one of the purposes dreaming fulfills.  It is in the post about my guides- and that they are constantly taking information from us, and giving information to us, while we dream. We are almost never aware of what has transpired.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20552

And I think one of the answers you recieved was that we learn to confront our fears through dreams.

Interesting to note that not all of us have guides...which leads me to think that they are simply a seperate focus of you that you have created for your purposes.

I do agree that we can confront our fears in dreams. Its like having a giant sandbox!

paul- we appreciate your experiences but you have to understand each of us creates our own reality. to say that your path is correct is denying everyone elses experiences.

Just because you experienced something, or Frank experienced something, doesnt mean that whatever happend to you or whatever you saw is the bottom line. When it comes down to it, it is the beliefs of each of us personally that create our OWN reality, ALL of the time, NOT just while in other areas of consciousness.

I dont think anyone is saying your information is wrong you're just making the classic mistake of the ages- declaring what you think or saw to be "the way it is". I got news for ya, not to sound harsh, but thats NOT the way it is for everyone.

I was wrong.  It looks like there is a lot of guided imagery, but gives exercises to located and anchor the click sensation so that you can do this easier the next time.

Holy grail. I doubt it.
 
Han

It doesnt work because the amygdala clicking is the reaction to what YOU are doing. There is no magic button you can press to project- you have to build up to what monroe was doing in the latter years of his life.

Keep practicing and keep your integrity and you will progress at the exact pace for you.

google- the next starbucks.

im sorry, i ended the thread. Good day.

I was in a serious head on car accident 5 years ago and suffered a traumatic brain injury. The effects are still with me. I live with it every day. On that tragic day I also had a near death experience. Hence my sudden interest in everything OBE at that time. I've been practicing ever since and have only recently had some tangible success. Yet still I have the brain injury and several daily side-effects. So, from first hand experience, I think the physical body and the subtle energy body are very different. I don't think we carry our disability to the subtle energy body. The only thing is, are we with it enough to follow the necessary teaching and do the practice to have OBEs if we are impaired?

I think we are so conditioned with how bodies, and how they work -it's all we know!!!

So when we OBE, we know nothing but to duplicate what we experience in real-life.
i.e your beliefs are very important, when you are in OBE/Astral you are free from all physical constraits.
I suppose practice is the key.

best post in this thread so far. you hit the nail on the head.

people who "make their own realities" in f3 make them according to their physical lives. However, most mentally challenged people are less "stuck" in the physical universe and would probably have an easier time leaving their objective behaviors behind.

This whole thing is just a bit "I wonder if they have bowling in heaven?"-ish. I would suffice to say that yes, mentally handicaped and physcially handicapped people retain their states after death until they realize there is no need to do so.