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I had already read that article and it was one of those mind-expanding WOW moments.
It is possible to get a clearer, more accurate view by connecting the Holographic Universe theory with the ideas of a 4 dimensional space-time continuum (Einstein) and the ethereal plane. The WOW moment I had was the realization that the Ethereal plane Is the 4th dimencion.
This combined theory satisfies both science (quantum physics and superstrings) and metaphysics/spiritualism (out of body experiences). It has an additional (big) advantage of keeping the overall concept/theory very simple. That conservation of theories is important, especially to scientists.
The transcendant nature of the Holographic Universe, the 4th dimension of the space-time continuum and the 4th dimensional ethereal/etheric plane is described differently because of the differences in perception and points of view which gave rise to those varying theories. When looked at individually most of the theories seem to be contradictory and exclusive. Yet when all theories are viewed together it becomes clear that they use different words and terms to describe the identical plane/dimension/phenomena.

I was going to reply and then I saw that Mirador had edited his last several posts. That put a damper on my enthusiasm. However I would like to make an important point.
Organized religions are, at best, non-committal to the idea of Projections and out of body experiences. Many churches are straightforwardly against the practice of projection. I do not know of Any large religious institution that openly encourages, much less actively encourages, people to project out of body.
So the obvious conclusion is that religions do not support the practice of projecting. There is No conspiracy amoung Christian churches to get people to induce OBEs. In fact, it is quite the opposite.

That was an interesting dream. (Or could it have been something else as well[?])
Anyways here is something to consider - perhaps that smoke was ectoplasm (or some other type of energy). It may not be quite so farfetched as it sounds. Ghost sightings consistently report smoky, semi-opaque shapes floating in midair. Or, of course, it could have just been the smoke from the incense that you burned earlier.

Paukki you seem to be making big progress. The early part of your projection was somewhat confusing. The latter part of your experience quite clearly was a full OBE. It was an ethereal projection in a familiar location. []
Perhaps with more experience you will be able to exert more control over future projections. That could be your next big improvement (because the first part of your experience may have been an astral projection but your description is too confusing to be certain about that). [8D]

I can somewhat identify with all of this. Somtimes the best pleasures are the simplest. I have had a few dreams of floating on a huge indoor pool. It was pure bliss (though I wasn't really doing anything). []

There are various stages (or levels) of trance. People who meditate regularly are usually able to go into light trance with ease. Other trance states are possible and it usually requires experience to go into deep trance because falling asleep is the normal result.
eeb  -
You probably went directly from light trance into deep trance and therefore fell asleep - or blacked out - for a few minutes. If you stay with this practice you could be able to go into deep trance and stay there without falling asleep. A deep trance state is close to mind-awake and body-asleep so projection from deep trance is possible. []

Vibrations, a whirring/rushing/roaring noise and sleep paralysis are sensations indicating a mind-awake and body-asleep state. And that is the optimal state for projection. These sensations can be confusing or alarming to people who are not experienced with them yet the sensations are not dangerous (mildly annoying at worst).
Thing - you could have experienced a projection or it might have been an unusual dream. Or it could have been a combination of both.

Sleep walking is usually Prevented by sleep paralysis. Nearly everybody experiences sleep paralysis yet few people realize it. The theory is that sleep paralysis prevents us from getting up while still in sleep and acting out our dreams.
So sleepwalking results from a lack of sleep paralysis. Without sleep paralysis there is no mechanism to prevent the person from moving about.
When considering this it should be apparent why sleep paralysis is benficial to OBEs. That is because sleep paralysis affects only the physical body and Not the astral/ethereal body thereby making it easier to separate those 2 bodies and achieve a proejction.

The answers to your questions are Yes  and   Yes.
Physical interaction with a solid object while out of body Is possible but it is Very difficult. I can not do it and only a few people are capable of doing it.

A projection is when the second body separates from the physical body and travels independently. There are many names for the second body including astral body, ethereal/etheric body, causal body and mental body. Some people believe that there is a third body in addition to the physical and astral (double) bodies. I believe that the astral body travels on the 4th dimension of our 4 dimensional space-time universe. There is mush discussion and disagreement about this.

Here are a few random thoughts on the most recent posts. I cannot really tie any of my thoughts together into a cohesive concept, but here goes.
a) There is debate about time being the 4th dimension. Some scientists currently believe that time is only a means of measurement and is Not the basis of a 4th dimension.
b) Various superstring theories posit either 10 or 11 or 12 dimensions. All those theories conceptualize 6 of those dimensions as being sub-atomic Micro-dimensions that collapsed upon themselves during the Big Bang. That leaves the other 4 or 5 or 6 dimensions (depending on the theory) as being Macro-dimensions. 3 of those Macro dimensions are spacial, another dimension is temporal (?) and the other dimension(s) are ).
c) Ouspensky postulated 6 macro dimensions. He believed that there are 3 spacial dimensions and 3 temporal dimensions. The higher temporal dimensions can only be fully understood from the perspective of the 6th dimension (3rd temporal Dimension). Ouspensky conceptualized the 6th dimension as curved and spherical in nature (roughly analagous to Einstein's theory that the 4 dimensional space-time continuun universe is curved.)

Cainam Nazier.
We are pretty much in agreement. I too have no strong religious convictions. My interest has been peaked by the incresed reports in encounters with negative entities. There also seem to be many reports (expecially on the Psychic Self Defense forum) of people who are haunted by malicious ghosts (and occasionally be demons). Many (or most?) of reports about demons need to be taken with extreme skepticism.[?]
Thanx in advance for any info you can dig up. []

Okay, the project is still in planning stages and already a doomsayer spews out dire warnings of doom and gloom. W T F!![V]
Don't know about the others on this board but I'm getting really tired of this doom and gloom crap. [!]
Mirador you haven't got a clue what you're talking about. Really. You probably can't even project (or deliberately project on a regular basis). It's highly likey that even if you did choose to participate that you could Not project to a group astral locale. Consider this a (much needed) flame. [}:)]
To everybody else - sorry about that rant - I couldn't resist.  I pretty much stopped visiting the Psychic Defense Forum because of all the 'I'm possessed by Demons"!! BS.
Anyway here are two useful suggestions.
1) The problems of poor visualizers and inexperienced projectors finding the locale can be addressed by emphasizing the central feature of that location. IMHO that's why a dramatic feature, like a pyramid, should be the central feature of the location.
2) Using the MicroSoft paint feature I will draw up a sketh map of the location and (hopefully) post that map for consideration. It's easier to discuss and debate actual pictures and maps after seeing them.

Wow indeed. That was probably a (true) astral projection - which is a trip beyond the bounds of our 4 dimensional space-time universe.
As far as methods go -whatever works. The best method is the one that works best for you and apparently you have already devised that best method.

Nirvana ? [:O]
Could it be that the guy at the pool was just another fun-loving spirit that was playing a light joke? Or maybe this being was unaware of where he really was (or was having so much fun that he thought he was in Nirvana.)
Anyways, with all the depressing stories about meeting dreadful and malicious entities when OOB it is nice to read an OBE report that has some humor in it. [][][8D]

The ability to create a lucid dream from a normal sleep dream can solve a LOT of problems. Control in a lucid dream allows a lucid dreamer to confront their worst fears in a nightmare or simply erase that nightmare and create a friendlier, more benign dream.
Equally important is the ability to project out of body directly from a lucid dream. Opinions about methods differ but most lucid dreamers agree that projections out of LDs is possible with practice.

The various posts of this thread bring up an intersting point. Ginny's accounts of retrievals (using Moen's technique) are quite interesting yet can they be considered astral or ethereal projections? Bruce Moen's method is different yet does it lead to an out of body experience? Or are those experiences another state of consciousness/being??
I would be greatly interested in any comments.

Quieting the Surface Mind is another form of meditation. It is a way to relax and focus thoughts in a passsive way and that helps to create a positive pre-projection mental state. Mind awake and body asleep is another way to describe that state. So, if done correctly, then calming the Surface Mind could be very benefial although it is not absolutely necessary.

Graupel
Hypnagogic images can appear at any time during relaxation or meditation. They are more likely to appear the closer you get to sleep.

TerryB
You are correct. You do not need to be a good visualizer to see hypnagogic visuals. It does help. It also helps to be patient because those images may not appear until you nearly fall asleep.

Ryan
Memorizing sounds and images can be good for creativity. But it usually makes it more difficult to project. Any active mental activity makes projection harder.

A loud ringing noise is often accompanied by the vibrations which preceed projection. Seen in that regard then loud noises can be a positive sign. However, loud noises can be annoying. Don't be distracted and try to stay focused on whatever induction method you are practicing.

Everett's 1957 Many Worlds Interpretation (MWI) was his explanation of the Superposition of the 2 states of a photon.
His theory goes - Science cannot measure a single photon as both particle and wave. (For this example assume the photon has been measured as a particle.) Everett saw the wave aspect of that Photon as still existing. But the wave existed in a Superposition in another dimension/alternate universe) with the particle of the same photon.
So Everett did not intend to spark speculation into alternate universes, parallel worlds and many different timelines. Yet that has been the result nonetheless.
Now if this forum were on a strictly scientific website then I would not mention this but -
The idea of alternate universes/parallel worlds fits Very neatly into the concept ot the ethereal plane(s) (and astral plane(s)). Though this was undoubtedly about the farthest thing from Everett's mind and not his intention yet nonetheless one result of MWI has been to nudge the scientific and spiritual/esoteric/metaphysic communities closer together.

Hallo all. []
My understanding is that Heisenberg needed his Uncertaintly Principle to account for the fact that a particular photon could Not be measured as a Particle And a Wave[?] That was the double slit experiment that JoWo mentioned.
Photons are elementary particles of matter than have mass and also have a wave function (motion = energy) Yet scientists found it was impossible to measure a single photon as both particle and wave. The more that is known about its particle aspect the less that is known about its wave function (and vice versa)??
Also the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle Was the Mainstay of Quantum Physics for several decades after 1927 but recently it is gradually being supplanted by other theories[?][?]

The colrs blue and green (and white) are what is expected for a priest and religious person.
If your priest starts radiating red and black then it is time to find another church.[}:)]    [][][][]

Question for Cainam_Nazier.
Assuming that there is a possibility for a war or conflict. So far everything that I have read or heard about this has been very religious. (Usually quotes from scripture or preacher sermons.)
So what I am wondering is if there is any secular material on the internet that discusses this topic? (In other words information that is less slanted and bias than pious religious people shouting doom and damnation) [?]
Thanx in advance. [8D]

3 thoughts on reality is a dream.
Thought 1. Sure it is! That explains many things previously unexplained and opens doors to ideas that we cannot yet even dimly comprehend.[][?]

Thought 2. Maybe reality is a dream. The analogy between reality and dream is like that of science to religion. They both exist yet seemingly they are at opposite ends of the spectrum. Future breakthroughs and understanding will be needed to reconcile the two and merge them into One.[?][]

Thought 3. No Way Jose. The only similarity between reality and dream is that they are both perceived by Mind (and brain). Yet there are many states of consciousness. Dream conscious may border upon waking reality (and other states of consciousness) but it is Not the same.[V]

Personally I am undecided on this issue but presently lean toward though 3.

That was an interesting report TruthSeeker.
Such a short experince yet SO Profound. [:O]
Now that you have experienced the 'other side' you can see why it is so difficult describing that experience to people who have not yet had a projection. An analogy is describing color to a blind person or music to a deaf person. Words cannot do an ineffable experience justice. Your report was noteworthy in that you mentioned the difficulty of translating an out of body experience into (mundane) language. Thanx for sharing. [8D]