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Interesting. Trying showing this to the average church going christain here in the bible belt. And then run! LOL It is funny how it has been changed over time, yet to talk to a christain, atleast in my area, they are certain that God himself handed the bible to man and that every word is correct and would not have been changed. It does not matter that there is proof that it has been changed.

Are these published in a book?

My opinion has not really changed. I still do not believe you can believe what you read because over time man will change it. Jesus's dietary teachings are well founded and have a good point as a diet high in fruits and vegetables has been proven to be much more healthy for you. I am interested in other differences other than just dieth though.

I do thank Satan for fire. It can get cold here in Tennessee during the winter.

Why can't we delete posts we create? If you could please just delete this.
Thank you

fredhedd, you bring up some very good points. I do not agree totally with you. I do not think the issue is so much a species thing as it is a personal thing. Putting aside any right or wrong issues, because it seems that you and I do not see this as such, then the issue becomes a personal choice. I strongly think that for some people one partner, marriage and all that is what is needed. I also think for some people a more open relationship might be the better choice. And it may even depend upon the time in our life which choice is best for us personally. The main thing is being open and honest. The wrong comes in when one person is not open with their partners causing hurt and pain. Also being honest with ourself is important.

For me personally, I am a one woman man. I have thought about the issue and have realized that multiple partners is just not for me. It is healthiest and most productive for me to be with just one person. I enjoy the intimacy and stability of being with just one. I like devoting all my energy into this kind of relationship.

Jealousy is pretty much a negative thing. But being devoid of jealousy does not have to mean that you are open to your loved one having multiple partners. If you want to be with just one person and the other wants to be with multiple, then yes you should have enough respect for each other to make each other happy. In this situation the two are clearly not good together because their ideas of a foundation of a relationship is not the same. So it would be best for the two to split up so both can go on the path that makes them happy.

As far as this having to do with how we are raised and taught, I am not so sure because everyone is different and wants different things. But who is to say how things would be if things were different. I just do not see how you can group everyone together saying that this lifestyle is natural and for everyone. It seems to me that if the situation was reversed, you might have more people wanting multiple partner relationships but I still think that you would have those that would want just one partner, and a mix of ideas as well.

Oh and by the way, not all animals just mate and then move on. There are many species that mate for life and live in a family structure.

1.  Have you ever seen an unidentifited flying object (UFO) ,?

Depends on what you actually mean. Who has not looked up into the sky at some time and seen something that they could not identify? So yes I have seen lots of unidentified flying objects, but I do not think that they have to be alien ships. Could well be space debris coming into the atmosphere, one of our many satelites, or maybe an alien ship. I would not jump to any conclusions unless I could prove what I saw.

2.  Has anyone you yourself know seen a UFO?

Refer to #1. I do not know anyone that claims to have actually seen an alien craft.

3.  Have you seen  or had contact with an E.T. , or know some on that has?

Do you mean an inteligent being from another planet on the physical plane or a being from another dimension, such as an astral being? I have not seen any aliens on the physical that I know of. I may have possibly had contact with astral beings, but nothing too definite yet.

4.  Have you ever seen/heard/felt a ghost?

Possibly but I do not want to jump to that conclusion without proof. It is a possibility though.

5.  Have you ever wittnesed or experenced  any kind of "psychic" event.

What exactly do you mean by psychic event? Anything that could merit some kind of extra sensory activity? I have seemed to know what someone else was thinking or going to say, especially being close to them, and vise versa but that could just be that we were close and knew each other well. I have experienced astal project, astral sight, and real time sight if this counts.

6.  DO you beleve in God, or any form of a god?

I am not sure. Sometimes I believe there is one higher power, but not in the traditional sense. I do not think it is really important for if it was then this god would probably make itself clearly known.

7. DO you beleve in an after life?

Yes

[Originally posted by andy:]

quote:Originally posted by andy:

Fallenangel,

Why GW Bush wants war first is the easy part for me to understand.On 9/11 his ratings went from " Zero to Hero". War for Bush is a method that works.
(im sure ill catch flack for the that last one http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_blackeye.gif" border=0>

Peace!

Good point. I guess I was not thinking about that exactly. I mean he already has a lot of popularity with this so called "war of terrorism". It just did not occur to me that he would still be trying for even more numbers. Which I think could blow up in his face. I do not think that most Americans want war, but instead would rather have peace. I think most that wanted revenge are satisfied with the Afganistan thing and would like to have time to heal. It just seems like every American President has to have their own personal war. Would it not be nice to have a President that was for Peace? But I guess Spiritual maturity and politics just do not go together in the present day US.

Everyone has posted such good points on this. It leaves me little to add.

I agree Jeff. I should not have said it would possibly be impossible to do at night. But it is much easier to do if you are more rested and awake. I find that at night before going to bed my mind tends to want to wonder more than the rest of the day. It is usually easier to do during the morning, or for me I prefer the afternoon. But this does not mean that nighttime does not offer possibilities to explore as well. Trying to stay aware while your body goes to sleep is something that I encourage as you can learn a lot. But I usually do not have any OBE or not for very long because I usually fall asleep.

These things can really bring you down. But you need to learn to let them go and just forget about them. When people try to put you down you should try to understand the truth behind this. When someone puts you down you should actually take it as a compliment because deep down the person actually finds something about you superior to themself and not being able to handle this they try to degrade you to make themself feel better.

I think this has been discussed on here before. If you do a search of the boards you should be able to find something. Sorry I cannot give you any more info on this.

I have been feeling down lately as well. But I have been trying to work through it. The thing that usually works is that I try to remember that I am a spiritual being who just happens to be having a physical experience at the moment. Though it seems like this life is all that there is, and that now is all that there is going to be, this is not true. This is only a very small fraction of the experiences I will have during the coarse of my existance, which as far as I know will be an eternity. I try to think that, reguardless of this is true or not, I choose to come here and experience these things, sort of like I have entered this big virtual reality game just for the experience. Once it is over there will be other things to do and experience in other better places. If you think about existing forever then the current situation does not seem so bad as it is going to be over soon. What is a few years compared to eternity??

How supportive is your husband? Does he help out at all when he gets home? Have you talked to him about this? Trying to spend time together in the evenings might help. Having him watch the children while you have some alone time might help as well. Just remember your situation could always be worse. You could be in some poor country having to watch your child starving to death. Not a pleasant thought, but it is going on right now. Think about how lucky you are to be able to be with your child and have all that you do. It is easy to get depressed when we think about what we don't have. But turning your attention to what you do have usually cheers you up, it works for me anyway.

If you ever want to email me for anything feel free to do so, fallnangel77@yahoo.com.


Jeff, all I can say is http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_shock.gif" border=0> LOL

About half of the US population does not want to go to war with Iraq either, Inguma. So clearly from a political view going to war is not smart for either US or UK leader. I guess the Pres is thinking that once we are are war he can just use the good old propaganda to stir American's patriotism into supporting him. Personally the abuse of this is getting annoying.

Personally I do not understand why the US President wants war first. Usually you use war as a last resort. Yes we have had problems from Iraq and Saddam in the past, but I do not think that we should jump to war before we explore and try all other possibilities. There is a bigger picture here than just the US and Iraq. Almost all the other countries of the world do not wish to attack Iraq unless there is more proof. Several countries are even thinking of joining with Iraq if the US should attack them. This little war could turn into something big, which no one needs. If we wait then maybe one day Saddam may do something. But if that should happen then it is likely that most if not all the rest of the world would want to stand against Iraq and stop Saddam. That in itself will most likely keep Saddam from doing anything.  I do not want war. We tried ousting Saddam before but we only, excuse my language, half a$$ed it. We even offered support to the citizens to get rid of him back in the 90's. Then when they needed the US we backed out and left the rebels high and dry to face Saddam. So is it any wonder the US is so disliked? Instead of killing everyone that opposes us, maybe we should try to be more friendly and stick by our promises. In doing so we might, just maybe make a few friends. I think the US has become too big for itself. It is becoming the bully. If the US does not like someone they just try to remove them reguardless of what may happen to other people or nations. The US just seems so trigger happy. Why not look for other more peaceful means of doing things?

As for the terrorist attack on the US, well it was only a matter of time. I mean as I explained above we do not fulfill our promises and treat other nations like crap if they can offer us nothing of value. We will most likely see more acts as long as we continue in such a manner. But the average citizen should not worry. Think of all the times that they actually tried to blow up the WTC. They were bound to succeed someday if they kept trying. For the most part I think such acts are stopped before anything happens. There are probably many more attempts at terrorist attacks that we do not know about but they were stopped. It was only a matter of time before someone got through our line of defense. It happens, life goes on and hopefully we learn from it. Giving up freedom will not help anything. Making things more efficient and making people do their jobs right will prevent most attacks. But I think it is impossible to prevent all terrorist acts as there is always a weakness in every defense and if someone really wants they will find it and exploit it.

I do not think that any energy work is really required to project. I projected before I ever did any energy work. I do think that it helps you to get use to your energies and concentrate on something other than the physical. Also if you are concentrating on your energies and not your physical body then you should be able to project easier as you need to kind of forget about your physical body. So as far as I can tell no energy work is required to project.

The original post was wanting to pay tribute to those that have suffered from what happened 1 year ago. Though discussing why such things took place makes a good topic, I do not think this is the place to do it. Making another topic for this discussion would be much more apporpriate. If you wish to pay tribute to those who were effected on 9-11 then do so here.

Heart goes out to those that have had to deal with this on a much more personal level than most of the nation.

It is very difficult to do at night, if not impossible, unless you are one that sleeps during the day and is awake at night. You should try during the morning or afternoon and you should have a lot more luck. Increasing your concentration will help a lot as well, but it will still be easier to do during the day.

Trying to loose awareness will only make you more aware. You need to focus on something else wholely forgetting about your body, or become indifferent to it.

If you are having a lot of trouble with this I might offer a technique that might help. Basicly you lay down and get relaxed. Let yourself drift off to the boarder of sleep. Try to keep your mind awake while you let your body fall asleep. Let your mind drift, but try to pay attention and "jerk" your mind awake whenever you feel it starting to fall asleep. Be sure to try to just jerk your mind awake while leaving your body to fall over into sleep. If I do not fall asleep then I am usually able to get out with this method after a few "jerks", or a few times of allowing myself to drift and then pulling my consciousness back to awareness.
Something that should help with this technique is, at night when you are going to sleep do not just allow yourself to go right into it. Instead try to stay aware and pay attention as you are going to sleep. This should help your mind to stay awake when you are trying this method as well as getting use to what it is like to have your body falling asleep while your mind is awake. After a few weeks of doing this before I feel asleep, I would wake up outside my body. I would be floating a few inches or feet above it. I am sure that if I had been able to continue with it I could have used this to have OBE's as well.

Interesting idea. I have not heard this before, but if it works then that is great for you. I would not suggest using this method to someone new to astral projection as loosing control of emotions is something that happens easily in the beginning (still happens to me at times) which can lead to an end to the experience. In the case of fear, if you cannot control your fear once you are out then you will most likely end up in a fearful place, surrounded by fearful things. For someone with more experience and control, I can see where this could possibly be good as you have stated above, it can help you face and work through fears. Using a more positve emotion might be more useful so that you will more likely find yourself in a positive place once out. But you still run the risk of being overwhelmed by this emotion as well and loosing control.

I tried something similar when I was first learning to project. Instead of using fear I tried using sexual energy. Well it did not work out very well at the time, as I did not have much control on transforming sexual energy to something more spiritual. Sexually energy in its "raw and natural" form seems to be very physical, atleast for a beginner starting to work with it. So it kept me more in my body than helping me out. Though thanks to a recent post by Meg and energy work I have been doing I might revisit this idea and see if I can work something similar out.

Well it seems that their projected delivery date is a little off. The books were delivered yesterday. That is less than a week delivery time! I am not sure if I got lucky or if they just over project to account for delays so people will not get upset. Either way it worked out good for me.

That is an interesting idea, metaphysic. How do you "wake someone up" while sleeping to the astral? Do you do it like you would normally, except since you are out of body you are interacting with their astral body? I have not done anything to find or interact with people while out of body.

Always wanted to try paintball. Sounds like fun.

If you think you might have cancer than you should go see a doctor. It is not something you want to mess around with and waste time on. I cannot think of a reason why you would not want your parents to know that something might be wrong with you, but hey I don't know your situation. If you are covered by insurance then just tell your parents you have some kind of health concern and would like to see a doctor. Maybe you could tell us why you think you have cancer.

Wow that was you. Great show! Hehehe Just Kidding.

You should not beat yourself up about this. You have just learned something so grow with it. Sexual energies are very powerful, especially when faced with them on the astral. I think that you need to learn to control these energies. If you do you can use them to your advantage on the astral as opposed to allowing them to control your experiences. Try changing it from a physical act to more spiritual and enlightening.

PS I am a Scorpio with alot of Scorpio and Libra. Interesting combo I think.

I have read that it is very possible, though it is a little different than saying "Meet me at the park". It also requires a lot of skill and know how, which I do not have yet. If you have a lot of control on the astral then I am sure someone on here or on the net somewhere can tell you how. If you do not then you need to practice that before worrying about setting up meetings. There might be a topic on this on here somewhere, as I remember reading about this though I am not sure if it was on these boards. You should try doing a search.

Games like GTA are kind of bad in what they are dealing with. But as people have said they are just games and should be taken as such. Many games are NOT for children, such as the GTA just to name one series. Such games on the other hand are good in that they let people vent some frustration and get a little aggression out of their systems. No matter how much we wish to think otherwise, we humans are an aggressive species. Those that learn to deal with their aggression through whatever means, be it video games, sports, or whatever, are much better and less likely to become serial killers than those to let it build up. Of coarse those that endulge in it can become much more aggressive, but video games, sports, etc are not what promote this. The person would find some means to build and endulge in aggression, legally or illegally, either way. But I do think that allowing children to be exposed to such things can influence them, as they are still young and learning. Adults should be able to hand games and if not then the games are of little concern and the actual problem should be focused on. Honestly think about all the people that play such games that remain good lawful citizens.

Yes I have had OBE's. Yes you could say that I have faith that they are real, but I would not really put it like that. But I also do not have blind faith that they are real. I am open to evidence one way or another. Also I have my own proof that they are real in some manner. I have experienced OBE, so I know that the experience was real, if to no one else other than me. I would not expect someone else to just have faith that OBE are real. In fact I really prefer that people do not take my word for it and just have faith that OBE are real. I want to them to explore and find out for themselves. This kind of faith is really more like an idea that I believe could be true, but I will not set it in stone until prooven one way or another. And since I do have a shread of proof, I atleast have experience to go on.

clandestino:
"Lets suppose that us humans have no possible way of comprehending God...just in the same way that your pet hamster wouldn't really have a clue if it sat in on a lecture in quantum physics.

If we accept that "god" is ....way out of our league , to put it one way ! ....then perhaps "Faith = to accept without proof" is the best way to go about things ?! maybe its not so bad."

You have a good point. But I must ask, is it impossible for humans to ever understand a god? Maybe humans can understand God someday, but it is not something that one can do in a lifetime. Does this mean that humans should not try? I think that people should still put their ideas to the test, even if they can never fully understand or proove them. If you do not try how can you grow?
Do you think that the extremists that flew the planes into the WTC had faith that what they were doing was God's will? I am sure they did. See this is what can happen with faith. And maybe I should clarify this as blind, unquestioning faith. Maybe if they put their ideas to the test, worked through them, they might have found another path and seen that their faith was miss placed. Likewise, if you put blind faith in any religion or idea how can you be sure you are on the right path?

Faith is not a bad thing as long as it is not taken to extremes or followed blindly.

I think you might have just opened a BIG can of worms, so I hope you are prepared for what might happen. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_wink.gif" border=0>

Faith has a few different sides to it. Let me start off nice. Faith = hope. When using faith as hope there is not much wrong with it, in fact it is pretty good. You have faith, or hope, that there is a god. You have faith, or hope, that everything will turn out ok. Everyone needs to have hope. Without hope, what do we have? What are we if we do not have hope that things will get better or that everything will be ok?

But there is a dangerous side of faith that is usually used a lot in religion. This kind of faith, though can still be seen as hope, is usually suppose to be unquestioning. Religions tell people to have faith that something is real. When people question this in seeking truth, they are told to just have faith. Faith = to accept without proof. Now this is something that I have a hard time with. I try to be a rational and open minded person. Now in all my rational thoughts I just cannot work out any logical reasons why one should accept something without proof, without exploring, and without experimenting to find the truth. I see faith, this kind of faith, as a hinderance to spiritual development. It stops people from seeking the truth. It stops them from seeking deeper spiritual growth. Those that do try to grow while maintaining their faith in something are not going to be able to develop as well because instead of looking for truth, they are looking for what they want to find and if they should see something that contradicts their faith, then they reject it as being wrong instead of exploring it as a possible truth.