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#1551
Quote from: IsayWhaat on October 09, 2015, 09:20:03
Okay, and how does this tape help you achieve that phasing?
Let's see if I can tackle this question with an example for you to try.

Say you have a scale of 1 to 10.
1 = your awareness is 100% focused in this physical reality (like right now)
and
10 = your awareness is 100% focused in a non-physical reality (like when you project)

In order to project, your goal is to shift your awareness from a 1 and bring it as close to a 10 as you can.  I'd say that the projection reflex would trigger once you hit about a 7 or 8.
So, what can you do in order to cause that reflex trigger?  Well, you need to push your awareness along that scale, bringing it further and further away from the physical.

Try the Mental Rundown Exercise you might have read about here on the forum (you can read about it in my book as well).  What I want you to do with it is create a short mental rundown which you can repeat.  Each time you repeat it, allow your awareness to shift more and more AWAY from this physical reality.  Each time you progress through your mental rundown, you should be mentally moving further and further, deeper and deeper away from your 5 physical senses... until you hit a 7 or 8 and then ALLOW the projection to happen.

That's phasing.  Well, in a nutshell, that's ALL projection labels... most people are just too hung up on labels to realize it.
#1552
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Loosh
October 09, 2015, 03:39:53
Quote from: LightBeam on October 09, 2015, 02:51:18
Re loosh harvesting, don't forget that each person's experience in the astral is highly filtered by their own state of mind, fears and beliefs. Robert Monroe may have just experienced that very  filtration when he got this information. I am inclined to think that this is not the case. Earth actually has a very negative energy flow and always has. The ultimate love and light is abundant everywhere and for free. The higher astral levels are all positivity. No need for someone to produce it. We are here the outer skirts of the multiverse with the most negative energy. I would not want to harvest that and use it LOL. I really question that "creator" if that was true. Then that entity would be of a low energy and even if it wanted to harvest good energy, it would not utilize it if its orientation is negative. Monroe's information does not make sense to me.  But of course this is just my opinion. All I can say is that when I experience the astral, my emotions are waaaaay more strong there than here. So, all this energy is abundant everywhere and it is strongest in the higher frequency levels. Why the need to create a place like earth, where this energy is not only lowered, but on top of that it has more negativity than anything. Who wants to feed on negativity?.... aaaah, Lucifer LOL
I think this is very close to WHY Robert Monroe experienced this.   You'll notice that the concept was COMPLETELY missing from his third book... almost like he figured out what was going on and simply decided to not continue it.  Actually, I think by his third book he had quite a few things figured out in terms of experiencing in the non-physical.

I believe that the "loosh" thing was simply his beliefs and fears of humanity being projected onto his experiences.
#1553
Quote from: desert-rat on October 08, 2015, 13:46:01
On the earth there is a much different idea . It was found by Robert Monroe . It is loosh . While out of body he was given a peice of info . It was why life on earth was set up . Loosh is given off in the life death strugle by all living beings . We are like milk cows . I dont believe me, or any one else on this forum has a discussion on loosh .  If interested I can start a seperate thread .  I started one on the now closed Pavlina forum and I have one on s.f. but its in a members only sec.
Feel free.  :)

I'll chime in.
#1554
Is "just about anything" an answer?  :)
#1555
Quote from: ThaomasOfGrey on October 06, 2015, 18:39:47
I think almost everyone can remember a dream induced astral projection once in their lives. Projecting from a conscious state is a way tougher prospect. I have been at it for about 10 months and while I have had many dream induced projections, I have only had one conscious entry, and it was sketchy at best for reproducibility since it occurred accidentally.
The problem isn't having or remembering the experience... I'm quite confident that close to 75% of the human population has had a fully conscious projection at some point in their lives.
The problem comes in the fact that most people will simply shrug it off and label it a "dream".  That's the hypocrisy of it too.
#1556
Quote from: Tongo on October 06, 2015, 13:49:31
well why wouldn't it work if my experience in the non-physical would be the same?
I said your experience (ie: your 5 senses) is the same... not WHAT you experience. 
If you light a candle physically, you're (most likely) not going to experience it non-physically.

The "RTZ" (I hate that term so much LoL) doesn't quite work as objectively like that as some people would love you to believe.
#1557
Due to a heavy belief in "labels", most people don't realize just how good they are at projecting already.
#1558
Well, your "experiment" doesn't quite work that way.  But, I can confirm that you can "smell" in the non-physical.
Your experience there is very much no different than your experience here.
#1559
Quote from: jamie6747 on October 05, 2015, 22:49:27
I want to know about the place that we come from before we to earth.
Szaxx said it.  "Home is where the heart is."

Where's your heart?  It should be everywhere. 
#1560
Quote from: searching on October 05, 2015, 16:51:08
Thank you! Is there a difference between an OBE and astral projection, or are they the same thing? And, do you have any advice on how I can make it happen again? This incident was purely random and accidental, I have no idea how or why it happened and it hasn't happened since. How do I actually make it happen myself?
Astral Projection... OBE... Lucid Dream... even this physical life you're leading right now... they're all the same thing.

As for getting you to do it again... it's going to take more than just a bit of "advice".  ;)

Give this link a click: www.astralacademy.com

It goes to my forum where we have a system setup to dedicatedly help people learn to project. 
#1561
Quote from: ThaomasOfGrey on October 03, 2015, 22:54:58
There is a lot of merit to this argument, but is it not also possible to find out things in the real time zone that no one knows? I know the results of experiments like this are shaky but some people have had limited success. Being able to explore through the memory of other conscious entities is pretty amazing and useful even if it isn't completely accurate.
It certainly is.  I do believe there are examples of this throughout history, but then the important question is "HOW" does that work?
How can we know something which we perceive that nobody else knows?  Because everything is "consciousness".  Everything is one.  So what one part of consciousness knows, ALL parts of consciousness know.
The caveat being that we know it through the interpretation of those who have experienced it.  That makes a potentially objective experience lack objectivity since experience is largely subjective.  

QuoteHow do you account for the stability of the experience in this reality? Consciousness cannot necessarily distinguish between realities so one can argue that nothing is physical, it is all just subconscious, this reality and the dream reality. But there is a problem with this view; when we wake up each morning it is to a consistent experience, unlike our dreams.

There is a vessel in this reality which can be destroyed with consequences and it is also responsible for providing the sensory input we perceive. In dreams there are no apparent consequences to destroying your vessel, if you even perceive one, and you are exposed to senses which are normally beyond our capability to perceive in this reality.

There is something that binds this reality into a persistent form, I believe this is the effect of consciousness in this dimension. It also accounts for how we are able to obtain new information from other entities that seem to objectively exist. Once again this differs from dream entities which collapse under interrogation.
The difference between experiencing this physical reality versus any other reality which we might encounter via a projection is that our consciousness is BORN into this reality in a much more intimate way than anything you can experience while projecting non-physically.  At that point, we're part of this reality.  We're as much part of this reality, albeit temporarily, as anything else here, and at that point our consciousness is drawn upon to CREATE this reality as well.  It's a "stable" reality because of this point of being born here, because we're part of it.  The collective of ALL of the consciousnesses within this reality makes this reality as solid as it seems.

Everything we experience is compared and interpreted via our experience here... and that's really the key to everything.  If you want to be able to learn and grow as a spiritual being, you need to become part of a reality... and that means you have to be physically born into it.  That's what binds you here... as I said though, albeit temporarily.  There needs to be choices and there needs to be perceived risks, or else there isn't really much you can learn.  How much can you learn when there's no risks to you?  Consider that.

QuoteSome people describe other realities that are not like dreams however. These other realities are described as being more persistent like this one, and are populated with beings which comparable objectivity to those in this reality. What is your opinion on the existence of these realities?
I certainly do believe such places exist.  My experiences with anything outside of anything seemingly "Physical" would be limited as I believe my mind is too "logical" to outright experience it.  I have had experiences where I simply can't interpret what's been going on so it becomes a mess in my mind to correlate, but yes, those truly "non-physical" places do exist outside the confines of any physical reality rule set.

If you really wanted to cut hairs here, one could say that even this physical reality, in all it's physical-ness, IS still very non-physical in its nature.  Everything, at it's very core, is only data after-all.  :)
#1562
Research "Hypnogogic Sounds". 

I've heard so many thing while waking up, falling asleep, or even just meditating.  Everything from gunshots, explosions, glass breaking, screaming, etc...

That along with seeing "strange things" all the time... you just kind of get used to it.
#1563
I know there are actually several references to "projection" in the Bible.
I just don't think I could ever point you to the exact verses.
#1564
Quote from: CyberDodo on October 03, 2015, 17:04:52
Bummer .. I thought it is like iron man lol  I don't know many places outside my country .. damn I still need to save for airplane tickets!
And I think I 've to read and know exactly what I will go through .. they say there are demons and bad souls  :evil:
LOL  Well, you might still be in luck! 
Don't get me wrong... you CAN experience a place you've never been to in all it's physical glory.

Say, you've never been to the Pyramids in Egypt... you COULD still go there and see them as they are.  It's tough, because you need to be calm and centered during the entire experience.  Being calm and centered will alleviate you from experiencing any of those reality fluctuations people talk about a lot, which seem to basically be influences upon your experience from other consciousnesses.  So while you CAN experience something just as it is... it's usually really hard to do this.  It's best to ask to just experience something in the best way possible "for you" to learn from it or to gain some kind of knowledge from it. :)
#1565
Quote from: CyberDodo on October 03, 2015, 16:12:29
That contradicts what I've read.. K but when your etheral body travels to somewhere you've never been to before, the scenery will be gloomy for example? will be random ? or the exact one ?
"Etheral Body"  ... ugh...  you've already latched onto the horrible labels and vernacular.

Do yourself a favour and forget most of what you've read. 
Next, do yourself another favour and work on having your own experiences.
That's the only way you're going to figure things out for yourself.  :)
#1566
Quote from: CyberDodo on October 03, 2015, 04:14:56
I've accidentally came across an article talking about Astral Projection and was amazed and read about it for like a continues 12 hours and just wake up to keep reading more and still can't comprehend the whole thing .. Please help by answering these questions if you can

-When flying to different places, do you really go there? or you are imagining the experience?   
-Do you see everything crystal-clear, people , cars , shops ..everything in real time?
-If I went to the outer space and went to Mars, will I find NASA's spacecrafts / hardware there drilling to find water? 

The whole thing sounds crazy to me, I just don't know how crazy it is :) 

Thank you in advance.
Croc is mostly correct.  We don't really know.  So I'll answer you from my own perspective of my experiences over the last 30+ years.

Your questions revolve around what most people commonly refer to as the "Real Time Zone" (RTZ).  There are many opinions, mine is that the RTZ doesn't objectively exist and what you experience is a replica from your own subconscious mind and those of others as well.  Your experiences while projecting are EXACTLY the same to the kind of experience you're having right now at this very moment.  It's all very physical and very (I loath to use this term, but) "real".

The thing is that if you were to go to Mars or even the Moon... or anywhere else for that matter, you'll be subjected to your interpretation of the experience.  So what I say is that WHAT you experience is objective, but HOW you experience it is subjective.

I've probably only confused you more though.  ;)
#1568
Quote from: ThaomasOfGrey on October 01, 2015, 19:09:32
While all of the experiences we have are "real", they are not the same. For example I can ski down a mountain at break neck speeds in an astral projection and feel no fear. I am sure the same experience in this reality would be much different. There is risk and many other factors to consider. It was a real experience, but not a genuine one by the standards of this reality.

I suppose the question of whether something was "real" in common terms boils down to whether the experience is comparable with this reality. Then of course you have experiences out of this reality which are "hyper real" and could seem more intense than anything this reality can dish out.
So, to have some form of "risk" involved makes it "real" for you?
What point does "risk" have in regards to how "real" an experience is?

"Standards of this reality"... what you mean to say is the most commonly accepted idea of what is real by people who think this physical reality is MORE REAL than something that isn't real. 
I'll be blunt... I don't agree with what most people would consider the "standards of this reality".  LoL

I can walk down the street physically and do the same non-physically... and they both feel "real" to me.  There's no need to quantify the statement with "hyper" or "more". 
What does that say about your statement?

My point is... to say that something is "real" is a misunderstanding about the concept of physical vs non-physical.  Most people make this assumption, because most people are physical/material minded.  I am not.
But in the end, whatever you can experience is real... and nothing can be "more" real than something else.   The most accurate you can say is that you experienced something in this physical reality, or something not in this physical reality.  Meh. 
#1570
Quote from: obe4life on October 01, 2015, 07:46:38
Thanks everybody for you positive and calming comments :)
Few years a go, I used to have a terrifying nightmare every single night. They were so intense that when I woke up I was Shivering like crazy, looking around myself scared, not believing it was just a nightmare, it seemed so real!  :-o
It is real.  Whatever you can experience is "real".  I had a dream last night that zombies took over the world... that was real, because it happened to me.  I experienced it directly.
We humans tend to say that something is "real" only when they compare it to this physical reality.  If it happened here, it's real.  If it didn't happen here, it's not real.  Well, that's because we think we're these physical bodies, which is a horrible misunderstanding.  :)

Anyway, I just thought I'd mention that.  hehe
#1572
Quote from: obe4life on September 29, 2015, 13:46:31
You're right. I had lots of lucid dreams, and several OBEs, and so far, they don't seem to affect my life in any negative way. On the contrary, they were very motivating, and changed my view of life forever to the better. But you know, from time to time, when those "experts" popup out of nowhere, saying that it's too dangerous to have an OBE, well, it scares you a little bit, and might even trigger some fear and negative energy inside you.
Also look at it from a different perspective.  Consider even the most scary nightmare you've ever had.  Did it ever effect your life negatively?
I'm talking about in a more long term effect... not just the cursory "wake up in a cold sweat" moment. 

I'd venture to guess you've been fine.  :)

All the crap you hear from these people warning you off of Projection haven't a clue in the world what they're talking about. 
If they think they do, please point them in my direction... I'll set them straight.  ;)
#1573
Quote from: vstachu on September 29, 2015, 14:54:48
how you recognize that you are in that void?
This might be difficult to explain, but imagine existing within nothingness.  There's no physical... no you... no anything... just black, everywhere, as far as you can experience. 

It's just the experience of nothing. 

That's the void.

Tom describes it as a reality without a data stream.
#1574
Let me ask you this... you've, ostensibly, had many, MANY dreams throughout your life.  Have you felt any of them were "dangerous"? 

There's no difference here.  There's "ZERO" danger.  Literally, zero.
#1575
I know!  Right?  :)

I don't even "walk".  hehe