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[]Appreciate that extensive reply Ginny. []
What you describe reinforces my belief that many states of consciousness partially overlap. (One expample is a Lucid Dream which is an event where the separate Lucid state and Dream state of consciousness overlap.)
It appears that Focused Attention is a state of consciousness that borders on meditation, hypnagogia, out of body experiences and clairvoyance and yet is Separate and Distinct from all of those. Very interesting.

Right goingslow ! The 'roll over' or 'roll out' method is easily the best method that I've found so far. By far and away I have had more projections by using this method than any other. The next closest is projection directly out of a lucid dream.
What I especially like about 'roll out' is that it focuses specifically on getting out of the physical body. Getting into the right state of mind requires another method. Yet once in that state of mind 'roll out' is indeed Very effective. []

I strongly adhere to the opinion that VERY Very very few people dream about floating around in their bedroom or house. It is incredibly unlikely that anyone would dream about this And dream about seeing there physical body lying asleep And dream about floating through a wall or window and dream about flying outside above a nearby streeet.
Psychologists and that lot might argue that it is possible but they totally Fail to convince me.
So that is how to distinguis an OBE from a dream. Thousands of people report the same experience. That is a reliable standard. If you are floating in your house or apartment and see yourself lying asleep then that Is an OBE. [8D]

I disagree about the soul and the ethereal (etheric) body dying afer physical death. There is plenty of energy to be found everywhere. Chi, ki, prana, kundalini, whatever. It is EVERYWHERE. You don't even have to look for it. Ectoplasm and bioplasm too. And other energies most people don't even know exist.

It really is amazing how many people experience what you just went through Mustardseed. That is - just getting out of body and having some type of discarnate entity scare them back into the physical. It really is uncanny how many people report similar encounters. [:O]
That may be small consolation for you. No need to get too upset though. Negative entities/spirit hinderers don't always cause trouble. These beings like to scare the unwary.
So it pretty much comes down to what you want to do. Spirit hinderers are more often pests and nuisances and are rarely dangerous. Personally I would not let them prevent me from going to Summerland or any other location when out of body. [!]

The hypnagogic state is a very good state from which to project out of body. Next time you are in such a state Blink182 it would be advisable to try to project. Since the hypnagogic state occurs naturally both right before sleep and after waking up there will always be adequate opportunities to attempt projeection. [|)] [][8D]

Quieting the physical body must be the single biggest Secret to successful projection. Unfortunately although many people have their own techniques there is no One method that works consistently for everyone.
   BTW I still like trying just before sleep. Trouble is that I fall asleep more times than not. [|)]

Hallo []
Hope you like the forums. There seems to be something here for everyone !

Hi Lasher.
Your description recalled similar reports on AStral Pulse. Here is a link. Hope it helps. Ity is a 3 page thread about 'astral wildlife' from the Welcome to OBE Experiences forum.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=380&whichpage=1

I second Parmenion's choice of lucid dancer's ideas.

Hi Ginny []
Bit of a coincidence here 'cause wonderboy basically asked the same question that I was prepared to inquire about. I will word it differently to (hopefully) make it easier to answer.
Do you consider your experiences to be full out of body projections? If so, do you first project into the RTZ and proceed from there to a destination? Or are you able to travel/phase/project directly into the 'beyond ELS" region?[?]
Thanx in advance for any responses.

Interesting post Frank. Your descriptions of 5th dimensional entities "as a jumbled mass of sparkly lights" leads to a theory. Which is -
at least some ghost 'orbs' which appear as balls, globs, or masses of lights are 5th dimension entities. As opposed to the more 'tradional flowing humanoid ghosts that are (only) 4 dimensional beings.

Hey Wonderboy that was a cool projection. [8D]
Good idea to experiment on friends who might be able to verify part of it later on.
About the RTZ. Occasionally when I have a projection into the (ethereal) RTZ I have noticed that objects were either missing or were out of place. However, (in my view) this is mostly because of faulty perception on my part. Most people agree that objects in the RTZ are relatively fixed and un-malleable. (That is why it is hard for people who project to manipulate physical objects ?) Anyways consensus opinion holds that objects are very malleable only on the astral plane(s).

Children Are more sensitive than juveniles and adults so they are able to see invisible beings such as ghosts. An episode of 'Beyond Belief, Fact or Fiction' comes readily to mind.
The young girl in this (True-Fact) story had an 'imaginary' friend. This disturbed her mother who encouraged the 7 or 8 year old girl to stop playing with that 'imaginary' friend. Then the 'imaginary' friend told the girl about some of the neighbor's best kept secrets (secrets that only the husband and wife neighbors could possibly have known). A 'real' ghostly friend or clairvoyance? The way in which the story was portrayed made it appear that the girl did indeed have an invisible (real) friend. []

Wow. An awesome experience biggymatt !
Interesting to note that is the first NDE report on Astral Pulse (though there have been probably hundreds of OBEs reported).
Regarding that third you that your out of body self saw sitting in the pickup truck. Different people have differing beliefs about this so it is probable that there will be several ideas/explanations.
I tend to believe in the threefold nature of humanity. The idea is that humans have 3 bodies. The physical body, the ethereal body (called the soul) and an astral body (called spirit). So perhaps your soul and spirit were looking at each other (in a state of disbelief) that day.

The ability to interact with people and physical objects while out of body seems to be based on the skill level and ability of the person who is out of body.
Relatively few people claim to be able to interact with the physical while OOB. Most of these people are experienced and skilled projectors. Robert Monroe was one such person as are Ingo Swann and Keith Harary. Not sure about Robert Bruce (perhaps someone knows more Bruce's experiences with interacting with physical people and objects).

Tyler, just remember that when dealing with angelic and evil entities there are NO unbiased views about this subject. Everything that is written or said about the angelic or demonic is done with an interior motive to sway people one way or the other. Ultimately there are No neutral people in this regard. (Eventually everyone has to make a choice.) [8D]

From your desription Grenade01 it appears that you Did have a short OBE while under the effects of salvia. Your description is consistent with reports of other people who have had short and uncontrolled projections while using various psychoactive substances (DMT, datura, LSD, ketamine and salvia mostly).
Your report also highlights the main problem with those substance-induced projections and that is Lack of Control.

Just a note for those people that feel pressured by the 'unbelievers' to defend the 'reality' of out of body experiences and higher planes/dimensions. (I know that feeling All too well.) There is a growing amount of Scientific theory, literature and discussion about multi-dimensional reality. (Multi-dimensional refers to 4 or more dimensions.)
Some theories include, yet are not limited to, Holographic Universe, Superstring Theory (which postulates 10 or 11 or 12 dimensions) and the Many Worlds Interpretaion (which conceives of alternative universes). The point here is that there is scientific 'backing' of some metaphysical ideas.
If nothing else a few well chosen scientific terms can confuse and discourage many outspoken skeptics. []  [8D]

One suggestion is to place a (relatively) small pyramid at the center of the locale. This pyramid could be about 100 feet across and 30 to 40 feet high. A pyramid could serve as a mental link between the astral locale and the focus of the group effort at Giza.

Cool experience Spheres.
It is easy to understanding why much of that experience left you looking for answers.
Some scientists are now discussing the possibility of a Universal Consciousness Field. This new theory follows along the path of quantum physics and non-locality to explain how one person could potentially 'tap into' a universal psionic field of knowledge.
Though this may have no bearing on your experience it is an interesting idea.

Just to be safe, which is always a good idea when dealing with strong psychoactive substances, it is rcommended that anybody planning to take a large dose of DMT (whether ayahuasca or smoked) check with www.erowid.org first. Erowid has info on safe doses (for body weight) and 'trip' reports from other people who have taken similar amounts.
Good Luck.[8D]

Salvia is an amazing plant. It can open up 'doors' and provide profound experiences If used wisely.
However, because when smoked the effects are both quite intense and short lived it is probably not very suitable for inducing projections. The problem is that the user has little or no control of the situation for the short time that the experience lasts.

It is no surprise to me that most people who project find it difficult to talk about their experiencs with others. Other than these message boards there have only been 5 or 6 occasions where I discussed this subject. On only 2 of those occasions did another person relate a first-hand out of body experience.
All of this goes to show that many of the old religious and social inhabitions regarding OBEs still exist. [][V][8D]

Hi Salamander.
Your symptons are consistent with the descriptions of people who have had trouble with kundalini.
The problem could be related to the length of time of your layoff. (That is the period of time in between practicing energy work.)
Though far from an expert I have also had occasional difficulty with kundalini. So my advice is to meditate on the chakras (which will facilitate the movement and control of kundalini and other energies.) Also check out the 'Kundalini Question" thread in this forum.