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Very funny smarty paints. 

LoL  That time I was being serious!! 

I should have saw that one coming. I know you've talked about this before. Though Szaxx agreed it was a type of OBE.

Well yeah... for the complete and utter lack of me wanting to argue anything, yes, it's a "type" of OBE.  Even though there is only really one "type", the type you're having right now. 

[I can become lucid if I really want to]

I've tried meditation, I've looked at so many videos, read on so many ways to Astral Project but I only get so far then... nothing, I don't project.
I can at-least dream every-night and I can become lucid if I really want to. I've read a few ways to go from Lucid Dreaming to the Astrals but it's a little confusing for me. Could someone explain in a semi-simple way to go from LD to AP? I know once I am lucid in my dreams I will have the very next intent to AP but "how" is the problem. I also hate to post this topic because I know it's been asked before but, I'd really love it if you all could help in anyway you can . Thank you so much for all the tips and methods!

You already can project.  You just said it yourself, but you're too caught up in labels to realize it. 

"I can become lucid if I really want to"  <-- THAT is all an "astral projection" is.  So, as you can see, you're already better and more experienced at it than you even know.

Give this article I wrote a read:  http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/2012/07/22/labeling-experiences-of-the-non-physical/
Then give my book a read:  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39504726/Phasing_Primer.pdf

Let me know if you have any questions. 

So you actually this this was an OBE of some sort?

Ok, to qualify my earlier three word response... that was 100% a joke.  Bad on me. 

To seriously answer your question... you, like everyone else, use too many labels.

It's a projection.  It's real simple... if you're ever experiencing a reality which you identify as not being this physical reality, it's a projection.  It's a conscious projection.

An "unconscious" projection, then, would be what most people simply call a "dream".  It's ALL a projection.  All of it. 

Simple eh?

Lucid Projection Walking.

There is no need for a mutual agreement; this is science talking making things easier. It is possible to enter someone's dream consciously without the other's conscient. Use the numbers 52 and 25 as you see fit. If you find numbers a little vague, then meditate on them and a course of action will be revealed. I didn't use them yet, but a demon conveyed these numbers to me as i also wanted to enter someone's dream in the past. When i let the desire fade, the demon appeared with these numbers. I don't know how to use them, but i do know that they represent hooks and are necessary for the action.

Then at that point, it's a battle of wills... why would you knowingly do that to someone else?  That's paramount to being psychically attacked.

Kzaal,
Your idea of "Love everyone" is very emotional and physical based.  That's why you're confused. 

In practice of what I'm talking about, the rest of your post actually describes "moving closer to Love" very well.

Definite great reading. Bob describes it from a very logical stand point and comes from an angle of skepticism which add to its credibility. This a great introduction to Far Journeys. The second book is my favourite of the series

I'd still HIGHLY suggest skipping books 1 and 2 and head straight into Ultimate Journeys. 
Over the years, Bob's opinion of what an OBE was changed dramatically and his last book really outlines his perspective prior to his death very well.

You could almost say that Ultimate Journeys is a direct 180 turn from Journeys Out of the Body.  So much so, that I say don't bother with the first two books.  They'll only set you back with (relatively speaking) bad knowledge.

It's all a bit too "neat" and "organized" for my tastes.  While we COULD have a very loose, general plan for what we want to achieve here... the ultimate goal is Spiritual Growth, by becoming closer to Love. 

This physical reality we currently find ourselves a part of is simply one of an infinite number of realities "out there".  The Earth doesn't seem to be special in this regards.

A physical reality provides constraints for our consciousness in order to learn to grow.  It provides risks which allows us to make choices to become a more spiritually advanced consciousness.  All that really means is that you move towards Love (away from Fear) and do what I call "purify our Intent".  When you purify your Intent, all choices you make are Love based ones not because it's the right thing to do, but because that's just how you react to situations.

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I'm extremely weary of people who say they're "done" with this reality.  Those are the folks who usually need the most help.

There's just one rather large issue... you might be able to correlate your experience with someone else's experience, but (and this is the important part) that's all you can correlate.  You can't say that this person had the same experience of you, because "experience" is unique to the consciousness experiencing it.  You, literally, have zero way of knowing what I experience.  Even if I tell you an experience and you say that you've experienced the same thing before... well, you haven't.

Experience is unique to the experiencer.  Even in this physical reality (even though the big problem comes when you compare physical to non-physical).  This means that, regardless what you think, you can never objectively verify your reality.  *NEVER*.  It's beyond the ability of a consciousness to do this.

Once you truly understand why that is... then you will, ironically, understand what I'm saying. 

Thankfully, objectively verifying your reality is meaningless anyway to WHY you're here in the first place.  Those who are searching for that answer are going to be searching forever and wasting their time.  I teach people to Project so that they may find this out for themselves.  Once you remove as much bias as you can, it's the only conclusion one can come to via their spiritual journey and projection.

It's enlightenment.  The truth of your being.  It's the answer to the question and the question to the answer of "I am".

I guess i don't know yet what it means to experience them within a single experience, but i do remember that i had an experience once, where i felt totally empty. I don't know how to explain it. Words just don't do justice to these kinds of things. I stood up in bed, with this emptiness. It lasted approx. 20 seconds.

That is strange.  I don't think I can explain that one either. 
I'd definitely log that experience for now and then wait until you have more information pertaining to it or experience it again at which point you can experiment.

Perhaps you care to explain why the idea is ridiculous? I see concepts of science which manifest out of ancient ideas. Maybe i ought to reformulate the idea in other words to un-ridicule it?

Most definitely.  People mostly use two terms in regards to this kind of stuff... "normal" and "paranormal".

Ostensibly (per my own experiences), everything is consciousness... meaning, everything is normal.  Now that also means this: nothing is paranormal (para meaning "above" normal).
Nothing is magical or mystical because nothing is strange or above normal.  It's all in your perspective.  The truth of reality and consciousness, when experienced, hits you pretty hard and you can't really go back to thinking along the lines of "physical" or "paranormal" anymore.

When people talk "normal" vs "paranormal"... they're simply referring to that which they know, vs that which they don't know and that that point you might as well start attributing lightning to Zeus throwing a hissy fit. 

[never]

Denying the mystique of things is like denying dreams, and their connection to reality. Science has just begun in "uncovering" the dreams of the mystics from through the ages. I'm not saying science is bad when it demystifies things. It's just that facts are a result of dreaming and the product of a dreamer. however, there may be a kind of time-lapse before the facts are accepted as facts. One can also say that science just selects the factual parts of the mystics and discard the rest. This is the root of all evil. There is no such thing as opposition in a broader context. However here's something what i find an interesting read:http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/did-helena-blavatsky-discover-the-theory-of-relativity-before-einstein

I don't simply DENY dreams... I tell you straight out that they don't exist as an objective experience.  
I will tell you straight out that you've never, in the history of your experience, had a "dream".  
What we experience every night is simply a projection of our consciousness to another reality (any reality) with a varying level of awareness.  What people mistake as a "dream", "lucid dream" or "astral projection/obe" is that varying level of awareness, because they all FEEL very different.  Until you experience ALL THREE of those varying levels within a single experience, you probably won't understand.

Anyway, I don't "deny" the connection of these experiences to the wider reality.  Quite the opposite, I take them and build upon it further than most people even realize where to begin. 

And the idea that things are magical until we "figure them out"... that's a ridiculous concept.  It always has been.  
Everything you are and can experience is of consciousness.  It's all "normal", whether you have it explained or not.  

But then, I guess, to most people, the concept that this physical reality isn't really all that physical is a hard pill to swallow.  LoL

Ok, here's the thing...

You're always "here" and "there".  *ALWAYS*.  You can't NOT be in both places at once. 

Why?  Because you are consciousness.  You are part of everything.

What people need to learn is how to listen properly to both.  Also, putting aside the (very wrong) idea that this stuff is magical, mystical or hard is paramount.

Astral Energy 1
Joined in August 28

Take it easy,

It was just an innocent, and related question.
Also, people come here with all ranges of experience... everything from the beginner to the avid explorer. 

All of us aren't yet ready to take such a huge leap. To get what you are saying will take time, Theres a lot of beliefs to be broken down . newbies would barely understand you. Don't waste your energy here.

But believing there are these "density levels" isn't such a huge leap? 

Meaningless terms are meaningless?

You are consciousness.  You are what you're looking for already.

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Thanks for the response, Xanth.  Most of the time, given the seeming ubiquitous nature of the New Age movement, I feel quite alone in my opinion.

That, and one thing I've noticed about a good chunk of the "new age community"... they are a vindictive bunch of humans just wanting to see someone roast in their proverbial "hell". 

[do you become a better person, or not]

I used to buy into the karma thing, but I eventually came to a conclusion.  Karma is just the Eastern version of Sin.  Both only have one purpose: to create fear of wrong action.  Sin gives you a wrathful God delivering vengeance upon you.  Karma tosses out God's vengeance and replaces it with the universe getting back at you in future incarnations.  Both are geared toward creating sheep who follow the rules for fear of a future spanking.  And there seems to be millions of people, within Christianity and Buddhism alone, who need to look over their shoulder in fear of that stick to keep on a proper path.  Very sad.

I couldn't agree with this statement more.  

I like how you put it, that karma is just "the universe getting back at you in future incarnations".  hehe  Really puts it into perspective.

The only karma people get met out is against their own spiritual growth in the form of "do you become a better person, or not"?

People think that's some kind of joke statement... but it's the PINNACLE of why you're here.  It's why you're existing.  It's the most important question to your consciousness since the invention of sliced bread.

It's certainly not "you do something bad, so something bad happens to you"... it's not that vindictive.  It's all based on a consciousness/spiritual level... and you do it all to yourself.  Take someone like Hitler for example (extreme, I know).  Most people expect him to be burning in some hell right now for his actions... well, I hate to break the news to you, but he's not.  His consciousness grew or reversed based upon his actions here.  He either spiritually grew, or spiritually retreated because of his actions.  He didn't/wasn't/isn't burning in hell...

[What is the purpose of getting to know people]

I can touch others consciousness at a distance. What does that have to do with monkeying around with them?

What is the purpose of getting to know people

What exactly are you here for then?

Religion is any idea past what can easily be proven to others. All science starts as religion, things that cant easily be reproduced.

No... just no.

Go read up more about Religion, then get back to us. 

What is the purpose of getting to know people, the part that is more than monkeys getting to know other monkeys? I ask because I am not interested in doing what monkeys do, only the more advanced parts.

Spiritual growth ONLY happens through your interactions with other consciousnesses.
It's only through those interactions where one learned to become a better person.

Strange things to say as part of a religious forum, even if its about real things in the world. So everyones religion is called religion except yours?

This isn't a religious forum.  There is nothing religious about projection.

We are a forum which has a sub forum for religious discussion... that is all.