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What method are you currently using? If you can give us some details we might be able to give you some advice. 15-25 minutes is pretty good, especially for being new at it. I think 15 minute is a good average. Sometime it takes me only 5 minute while other times it can take 30 minutes or more. It depends on several things really. Practice is going to be your best bet.

I am not a white wine drinker, I prefer red wine like you. I am just wondering how bad is red wine for you? I mean can you never drink it again? Maybe you should get a second opinion. I am no doctor but I have not heard of red wine being bad for the skin, but could be wrong. Certainly you can drink a glass every now and then can't you?

I have actually read that dark beers are good for you, much like red wine. So if you like beer you might want to try something dark.

Everything is bad for us anymore. What are we suppose to do just eat soy and drink purified water? Unless something is a major health risk to you I say moderation is the key. Something may not be the best thing to eat or drink (but what is?) but in most cases if it is taken in moderation along with exercise then you can live happy and healthy.

Hmm maybe this post is not that helpful, except the dark beer part. I hope that helps.

I have had this happen to me once. Usually my dream emotions fade very quickly when I wake up. But one time a few years ago I had a dream, it seemed kind of like more than that but anyway, this old man came to me and seemed to show me/confess to killing a boy when he was much younger. His showing me was much like telepathy as he showed me the events and I could feel his emotions at the time. I woke up after he showed this to me and I felt very ... dirty and negative, not sure how to describe it exactly. I felt like this for a few days but the feelings finally went away. I am not sure why some dreams can have this effect. Maybe they have more meaning than just being dreams. These emotions should go away after a day or two, atleast from my experience they should.

Shayde, You will just have to make some astral friends or we could all practice and get good at projecting into the RTZ and then take vacations together.

Hello. Welcome to the forums. I hope you enjoy it here.

seekenergyaz, gives some good advice about what to work through. I have had a similar problem before, atleast it sounds somewhat similar. Though this never came about because of drug use. I think my bad thoughts came about because I opened myself up to such things. I over came this by meditating and building up my consciousmess and awareness. Still or quiet your mind, clear it so that it does not think on stray thoughts. The best way to overcome thoughts you do not like is to have a strong mind. In the mean time do not fight these thoughts, do not dwell on them as this makes them stronger. The best thing to do is to not get upset about them, do not think about them, do not fight them, but instead think about things that you want to think about. Think about something positive when a negative thought comes to mind.

How do you prove something with physical evidence, because that is what people are looking for, that is not physical? OBEs unlike religion do not try to force people to believe in them. I know what I have experienced and could really care less if anyone else believes it or not. I do find it sad that people are so closed minded as to not accept the possibility of them being "real".

Which brings me to a question, what is real? Is real matter? Is real something that can only be measured by something physical and until that time it is unreal? Is real something that is generally accepted by the majority?

Jeff Mash, you should tell her if it is something that is important to you and want to be able to share. You should probably not drop it all on her at once. Maybe take a trip to the book store and happen to walk by the metaphysical section. Pick up a book on astral projection and say something about it, like you have been reading some on the subject. See how she reacts. If she reacts negatively try to explain what it is, as her negative reaction is probably out of ignorance.

I have not read it but I plan to. I do not think I have ever heard anyone say anything bad about the book. I have only heard positive feedback. I would say that if you are interested in astral project it was worth what you paid.

How much did you pay for it? I have found it in bookstores for about $16. I know that this is marked down as I think it is usually a lot more.

cainam_nazier
That sounds like a good way to do things. We all start out with little knowledge and experience, so when we start working we could start in these lower less desirable jobs, and if we do not like them we can go to school, get more experience and skills, and move into something we would enjoy. I guess that is much how it works now, only without the problem of money to pay for school people would have more mobility to get to a place they would like to be.

Jon Icarus
I agree with some of your points. Yes money is not the problem it is the people and how they use it. But I do not see a society without money as being backwards or primative. As pointed out, though fictional Star Trek humans do not use money. Would you consider their society primative? What is wrong with giving and receiving services and goods for free? Instead of working and getting "better jobs" so you can buy more things, work for your and mankind's betterment.  You would no longer need to worry about things, shelter, health care, food, clothes, etc becaue it would all be free. No one would go without. Now look out our society or rather look at poor third world nations. So much sickness, poverty, hunger. Which society would be more primative? But as you have pointed out, it is about people. These people suffer because of the greed of others. If mankind evolved to be more caring and less selfish then these things could disappear. Also why would money not go as well? No need to work for money just so you can buy stuff, if everyone takes care of getting the things we need and then making sure everyone has them. Then we can all join in unity under one government making sure everyone on the planet is cared for, has their needs meet, and can grow to be a better person.

Yes I guess my post was rather negative. My intent was not to send out any negativity though, but to make people stop and  think. I think alot of people, myself included, rush into things because we get caught up in our feelings. I am saying things from experience, though I was lucky enough not to get into a bad marriage. I have fallen in love and rushed into things when if I had taken things slowly and actually use my brain a little I would have seen some things that I was blinded to because I was caught up in being in love.

I truly do hope that you and your man will be happy together and have a great marriage if this is what you feel you should do.

If you do not mind me asking, what is your sex life going to be like now? Are you going to continue as you have or are you going to bring in some physical contact? Both acts together should make for a rather awesome experience.

Interesting. First off I agree with Gandalf about the message. The thing that really sells me on the idea that it is not true is that if they are doing DNA tests, would they not need your physical body for that, you know the body that actually has the DNA? You said that your experiences take place out of body so I doubt this message you received is true. It may just be something you dreamed up yourself to give a meaning to your experiences.

As for your experiences, I am not sure if you were actually forced out and taken anywhere by aliens. Maybe you were, but another thing to consider is this. You may have just been having an obe and your mind perceived the energy sensations as other beings and projected such imagines. After reading about people thinking that others where touching them and pulling them out of their bodies I started paying attention to the sensations I get as I am getting ready to project. Surprisingly sometimes it feels exactly like people are touching me and pulling on me. I know that no one is because these are just typical projecting sensations.

I have never attempted space travel yet, so I cannot really comment too well on how difficult it actually is or how accurate people can be. I do agree that people might think they are on Venus or such but are actually just some place on the astral and not on RT zone. But thinking about it does bring up a question. Could this mean that some kind of people once, or maybe will, inhabit Venus or Mars?

I totally agree that this moneyless utopia would most likely not happen any time soon, really i doubt it will ever happen but I do believe it could work. The only way it would really work is if humans could evolve more spiritually to work for the betterment of man, such as in Star Trek. As for the unexciting jobs issue, I still do not see a big problem, but yet I do agree with you to an extent. You see, you happen to be forgetting that no offense to anyone but there are those in this world who are mentally challenged, all at varying degrees. Not everyone would want to be, could be, or should be a rocket scientist, politician, sports or movie star, etc. On top of this, and I guess it was not made clear before, but society as a hole would have to reach a certain level of spiritual growth before this could take place, transcending materialism.

Garbage collectors, fast food, rent-a-cops, etc. would need some kind of compensation? Why is that? These jobs you mention are on the lower end of the pay scale, yet people do the jobs. Why should that change? Granted you and I may not want to do it, but some will be suited for it. And again in this society people would look beyond materialism and find happiness in that they are working for the community not for a new car, a summer house, or to support another mistress.

I do not really know how such a society would work. In our current mind frames and values yes there would have to be big government to regulate such things, which would then seem to make this more like communisim, or like a One World Government. For if you are ruler of the world, do you really need any money. Which is the need for spiritual development. If humans as a whole develop and evolve spiritually then (to finally answer one of the original questions) I believe that a One World Government could be a very good thing, bringing peace and unitity to all mankind. On the other hand, a OWG in our current spiritual and social stature would probably not be very good as there are so many currupt leaders already that nothing would change and we as a whole would be pushed down with the curruption.

The thing is everyone of us is different. So what you find boring and menial others do not. I know some people that really enjoy jobs that I find boring and menial. You have to realize that if money no longer existed then our view on things would change. It is hard to look from that view in our state right now, but in trying I think it would make things better. One thing that would have to change is our materialism. In order for this to ever happen people would have to change their view of things, which would probably take a long time unless something drastic happens.
Also about the boring and menial jobs, we have technology that is replacing those jobs all the time, so I do not think this would be that big of a deal.

[Originally posted by James S:]

quote:Originally posted by James S:

As long as there are corporations and individuals making squillions from the rest of the population, the laws will always go to the highest bidders. This is where Gene Rodenberry's vision in Star Trek is so appealing to many - in the 23rd-24th Centuries the human race no longer needs or uses money. What a wonderful idea!

I agree, a world without money sounds so wonderful. I think it would be a great world. Just think about it. We really do not need money. It only ensures those with lots of it will remain in power. If money were not an issue our lives could be so much happier. We would not have to take a job that we did not like just to make ends me, instead we could presue a career in a field we actually find interesting and enjoyable. There would be no hunger, little illness, and no homeless. The US can grow enough food to feed these countries that have none due to famine, etc. There would be no pollution since we would no longer be tempted to take the cheaper way of doing things with cars, industry, etc. The list can go on and on but I do not have the time. Just use your percious brain and think of how wonderful the world could be.

[Originally posted by Tisha:]

quote:Originally posted by Tisha:

The ploy of the Elites is to either 1) keep us frantically running in circles distracted, or 2) keep us bloated and content and distracted, all so that they might increase their power while we are not watching.   Otherwise, we would revolt and there would be another French Revolution.

SO.  Are we going to sit here with our mouths full of McDonald's Big Macs and let other people define reality for us?  For instance,

Tisha, that is how it is now for the majority of the US, which I am sure you know. The general population eats their Big Macs while sitting in front of the tv letting the mainstream media tell them how to think. The media usually portrays those that stand up for their beliefs as crazy freaks to be looked down up, such as "those foolish tree huggers that want to stop all business and industry just to save some rare owl no one has heard of". If anyone actually stops and thinks, or even listens to the news lately, they will see that these people are actually pretty smart, seeing how almost all the water around all the cities in the US are too polluted to fish or swim in. No one is really willing to stand up and say "Hey we need to do something" because (1) they are afraid of being labled as being foolish and (2) they feel powerless because they know that others will not take them seriously.

So I agree, if there is a currupt surpressive One World Government then it will be our own faults. The power lies with the majority, but the problem is getting the majority to agree and to take action. It would be so simple if the population really does not want the government, just stop. If everyone stopped going to work, stopped doing anything and just sat around and blocked the roads then what could the government do? The power has always been with the people, it just depends on what the people do with it.

I have never heard about using a mirror. I have read from several sources about just using a picture, poster, or whatever. The mirror might help but I am not certain about it.

UncleSam, getting excited or trying too hard can stop the projection. I usually have OBE when I am not even trying, only meditating. It sounds like you were about there. You need to learn to remain calm and stay in control of your emotions and you will be able to get out and have longer experiences. Easier said than done but still something you should work on.

Jilola, it probably is. I have not read his book so I cannot say for sure, but I have heard of this method from many sources so it is not unheard of unless you are new to astral projection.

Monicat777, I am wondering, if you have psychic dreams are you able to change the out come or is whatever is suppose to happen going to happen reguardless?

You could be very much on the right track. Though I have not done this technique I have read about one where you visualize a scene, concentrate on it until you are out of body and inside this scene you have created. From there you can explore your own little world or leave and go to the astral proper. While you are visualizing you should try to feel your astral body and forget about your physical.

I do not know how easy it will be to find a blackhole when out of body, but on the physical they are actually pretty hard to find. Unless something has changed since I got my info, blackholes suck everything into them even light. So you cannot actually see a blackhole. You can only tell where it is by irregularities, like bent light or not being able to see stars where you know they should be. Let us know if you happen to find one and some anitmatter.

What would you look for when seeking out antimatter? As far as I know we have only been able to create atoms of antimatter. Can it be constructed like regular matter, say into planets etc. If so could you tell the difference besides put matter and antimatter together and watching the explosion?

Meditation and working on concentration will help alot. If you can do it on the physical it will make it easier to do it on the astral and prolong your experiences.

Something I forgot to add, maybe there are astral entities that hang around other planets but do not manifest on the physical. Would that make them aliens? Should they even be considered if they do not exist on the physical?

I think what you are "talking" to is not this higher self that Peterson is talking to but rather your "lower self".  There is a part of you that wants to fail and do these bad things. You need to work through this part of you so that you can grow and get in touch with your higher self.

[Originally posted by Gandalf:]

quote:Originally posted by Gandalf:
The reason I think this might be the case is because if it is so easy to astrally travel to other worlds, shouldnt there be myriads of alien OBEers flying around contacting us?

Who is to say that they have not contacted us? Or that they are here trying to help us to develop spiritually? The reason that aliens may not just pop up and say "hey how's it going" is because they know that we would probably see it wrong and think they are gods or something. So if they are doing anything they are probably trying to steer us to more spiritual enlightnment so we can better understand. If they exist. They are probably waiting for Bruce's books to hit #1 so the public can be more aware of what is going on when they do make contact.  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

quote:Originally posted by Gandalf:
I reckon that it is probably VERY hard for spirits to escape the magnetic pull of the earth (and its astral realms). and when we fly out of it we slip into the astral again.

I doubt that magnetic forces have any effect on the astral bodies. I could be wrong but I doubt it. People have never reported any kind of magnetism effecting them on Earth, so I do not think the Earth's field would effect them either. And when you fly off into space you are not escaping any astral realms. They are not centered around Earth as if rings or something. They are part of everything everwhere. Of coarse I could be wrong but this is what I have concluded.

You do bring up an interesting question though.

To my knowledge the rotation of the Earth has little to do with holding things to it. The Earth has a lot of mass, mass is what causes gravity. So nothing should go flying off into space. But the part of the Earth that is facing the sun will become rather warm, and the part away from the sun will cool down.

I have not heard about a planet x, but I have heard that the magnetic poles look like they might shift sometime. I saw a show on this a few years ago. It said if this does happen it will screw up all of our electrical devices. Can you imagine what would happen? I know people that get ticked when the cable goes out, I do not know how they would lived if this happened.