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Astralspinner, I agree with you. I think that Tisha and Qball hold different beliefs which is making them preceive these entities differently.

So what if you are attacked? Have you ever been hurt by an attack? If so how? What harm can something on the astral actually do to you? I have never read about anyone actually being hurt by anything while they have been out of body. Sure it might upset them and cause them to fear it, but not actually be hurt. I still hold the belief that the astral body is indestructible and the only hurt that can happen comes from yourself by letting your thoughts and emotions get out of control.

Qball,
Though I doubt you will give any merit to my words, might I give a little advice. You sound rather rigid in your thinking. You say that you know the truth as if your beliefs are the only possible reality. Maybe you know the whole truth and everyone else is wrong. Or maybe not. You should be open to the possibility that some of your views could be wrong. Otherwise how is one to learn and grow? I am always questioning and testing my beliefs. If I do not then how will I ever learn anything or find out if they hold any truth. Likewise, I may not agree with someone else, but I will give their ideas some weight and reason and test them as well. They might see something that I do not. Being open is the only way that I can see one being able to grow.

(I hope my words are not taken as being harsh. They are not intended that way.)

Qball, and what happened? You seem to be alright. What do you make of its answer? Maybe there is something to be learned from this. Have you explored it or have you just disreguarded it?

Tisha, to answer your questions I would say Yes. From what I have read on this forum negs seem to refer to one or many of these things, depending on what you are reading at the time. I believe that most, if not all, negs are just our own fears. They may be, as I have seen Frank put it, stray energy that we do not understand. Lack of understanding can cause fear. All it takes is for someone to have a hint of a "negative" emotion or to perceive something as negative to let the situation spiral out of control. As for there being any real "negs" I do not know. I would be a fool to claim that there is not, as I do not know everything. But I do think that most if not all negs that are talked about on here are just fears.

In a way I agree with you that negativity is part of creation and is important. But I do not actually think that there is good/evil issues. I think that this energy that we are saying is negative is really just something that we do not understand. So this energy is important for growth. And negativity is important for growth, because we grow when we face our fears and go explore something that we think is negative, though later when we understand it we usually do not see it as negative any longer. Likewise these things that are called negs on the astral are most likely there to help us grow, to move beyond our fears so we can explore with more open minds.

Clarissa,
You are wise to not wish to have sex with someone you have no emotions for. Astral sex, or whatever we are calling it now and this includes all non-physical sex, transmits much more than just physical desires. Emotions, atleast from what I have experienced, are also very present. So to me it would not be a very pleasant experience having astral sex with someone that was just "using you" with no care whatsoever about you and vise versa. Then again if you enjoy that sort of thing ...

You bring up some very good points. I never thought too much about it, but thinking about it now when I have fallen asleep doing something it does feel like that. Frank brought up that when you think about the sensations they can happen. This makes a lot of sense when you think about energy work. You think about where you want the energy to move and it happens, you feel it. So it seem to me to only make sense that if you think about how it feels to project then you should start to feel the sensations as well. This could be great for beginners who do not know what it feels like to project. By studying the sensations when they fall asleep they should be able to learn how it feels to project. I was told something to do that would help with projecting and I think this would be a good place to mention it. At night, or when you are taking a nap, do not go right to sleep. Instead try to keep your mind awake and study what is happening as you let your body go to sleep. Pay attention to all the sensations of your body. If you are tired you will probably not be able to keep your mind awake very long, especially if you do not have your concentration built up. But time is not the important part. Paying attention to what is happening is. Learn the sensations. I have done this for awhile and at times during the night I will wake up outside my body. Usually by the time I realize I am out I have joined back with my physical body. But again the important part is studying the sensations.

James S-
"I can't say that I've ever seen any good come out of organised religion"

I do not agree with you totally on this. I think that religion can be good, though not necessarily the best, in giving people a place to look for something beyond the physical. The problem is as Tisha said "All religions put you in a box." Religions, most anyway, can point you in a direct but then seem to block you in and hinder spiritual growth. I am not saying that you cannot grow spiritually and still believe in a religion, but I do think that if you follow the set rules of what is accepted in the religion you will eventually stop. This is what happened with me. I use to go to Christian churches and be a pretty strong believer. Then things seem to stop. I had questions that could not be answered by the religion. I started feeling boxed in. I was told that I should always strive to continue growing spiritually, but I felt I could no longer do that inside of religion.


James S-
"I don't really believe Christ himself has any objections to OBEs"

I do not think Christ objects to many things, other than being immoral. It is my opinion that Jesus came to to earth not to start a new religion, but to get people away from religion. I think that his actual intent was to make people more spiritual, not more religious. Look at what his teaches are really trying to get across: to not get caught up in laws and regulations, to love each other, to get away from materialism, and to realize and look for the world beyond the physical, to name a few.

Getting off track a little here: Has any one read The Complete Jesus, or maybe The Complete Bible? I am not sure about the title, I might have it wrong. The book is suppose to contain other books that are not included in the bible. From what I have heard these are pretty spiritual writtings, like Jesus teaching that God is not in any temples but is in everything, everywhere, at all times. Of coarse those in power did not like this I am sure as they would want people to come to them to get to God.

EDIT: I forgot to add that I have not read this book, but I saw it a few years ago and now wish I had bought if for no other reason than to just see what it had to say.

Actually, I thought the Mayans said something big was suppose to happen in 2012, or is it 2025, something like that. Not necessarily the end but a change. I do not like using the words when will it end. It makes it sound like the entire physical universe is just going to go away. I think the physical will always be here, humans may not but just because humans are not here it does not mean life does not go on.
Ever since humans started talk of the end coming people have thought it will happen within their own lifetime. I find it funny actually, no offense to anyone, to hear people talk of the end being near. I really do not care much about "the end". All I know is that I will have a physical end. But at that end, I will find a change not an end.

"Curious thing is why they stay ignorant when they don't even grow old and noone dies"

On the astral there is no time. You only experience time by the idea of it that you bring with you. If you exist there then it may not occur to you that no time has passed, or that time is actually different. How often do you actually think about yourself aging or getting older?

You should not worry about forgetting how to project. It seems like I will get time to meditate and project for a few months (if I am lucky) and then have to go a few months without doing either. When I come back to it I can still do it, though I do have to work at it again. Usually after a week or two things are going great again.

Hmm I have been told the same thing a few years ago by a friend. She said that she could not see my aura, though she could see other peoples. Though she did not indict that there was anything bad about this. My opinion would be that some people probably have the ability to, or are skilled at, concealing themself. Without knowing it we might just be able to hide so that others cannot see our auras.

Clarissa, has he ever had this kind of experience with anyone else? You said that he came to you, so I guess that he knew what he was doing. How did he learn about this, or was he just experimenting and got lucky? (no pun intended)

I get these sensations sometimes. I get them when I am doing energy work sometimes as well. I think you are just feeling your energy, though why it tickles sometimes I am not sure.

Jilola,
That is sort of my point, but looking at it a different way. They would see things differently than we do. Two people see the same thing differently, so how would something from a different species see it? Something that has grown up with a different culture, values, desires, etc. But you do have a good point. If I knew what it was like to communicate telepathicly than I could probably understand this better.

Fenris,
That is something I have not thought about. I wonder if there is anyway to find out. Very interesting.

James S,
Though OBE can be fun stuff, do not over look its benifits for spiritual development. You say that there are other things that are more beneficial for you to work on, well you know yourself best and I do not want to put anything you are doing down. I just want you to think about the possibilities to explore while out of body, if you are able to do this. I have heard, though not had the chance to try it yet, that meditating while out is much better than on the physical. Try practicing your spiritual development while out and see what happens.

There is a good book called The Secret Of The Soul by William Buhlman for those who what a more spiritual look at OBEs.

Actually there is a topic on this somewhere. I do not remember which section it is under. I think it was called Shadow People or Shadow Entities or something like that. I do not know much about this. I have never encounted any shadowy entities, atleast yet. What do you feel when you encounter this? I think it could very well just be a fear. No matter what happens just remember that nothing can hurt you. Just try to remain calm and you will be fine. If need be trying loving this thing. If it is part of a fear that should get rid of it or change it into something more appealing.

I am around your age, and I also had my first OBE at about 16. This seems to be somewhat odd from what I have read as most people have OBE at a much younger age, or maybe older people are just afraid to report it. But I have only had one spontaneous OBE. At the time I did not know what had happened. After a few years I found out what it was and started learning and practicing it. I have had pretty good success, unfortunately I rarely have time to project now.

After much thought I think I will have to agree that, in a situation like the one Clarissa is involved such "astral sex" is not right. There is little difference in two people on the physical having astral or physical sex, as far as right and wrong go. I doubt that his wife would approve of him thinking about another woman much less taking it to this extent. Then again, who knows. But I am wondering what the situation is really like. (Not expecting an answer) I mean if this man is cheating on his current wife, what kind of morals does he have? If you two can be together, what are you expecting from him? Will you expect him to be with only you? Do you think that you are his one and only other right now? I find it funny how people tend to delude themself with the idea that it is ok to cheat if they are no longer in love with their partner or that they are just not happy. The truth of the matter is, it has little to do with any laws but instead about your morality and personality. To cheat on a spouse hurts them. Reguardless if you are "in love" with them, I would think that you should atleast have enough respect to atleast be honest and trustworthy with them.

My original view on astral sex was somewhat different than this. I was thinking about one person being on the physical traveling the astral then meeting a higher astral entity and wishing to bond with them. In this sense I am not sure. But for two physical people that are commited to others  to astral travel and have sex, especially if they have the intent of getting together on the physical, then I would say that this is also cheating.

Thinking about it, I will agree with everyone else. Married couples should not have astral sex if the other person feels it is wrong. This is out of respect, love, and honesty for your partner, and not so much about laws. For even if the law of marriage does not extend past the physical, does that make it right to hurt your spouse? I say no.

I am not passing any judgement on you, Clarissa. I do not do that. I am curious, if you two cannot be together will you both continue your astral or telepathic sex? Do you feel you can have this with someone else?

I have noticed that sometimes when I am practicing any kind of energy movement or exercises and have been doing it alot that I will do it in my dreams as well. Sometimes I will wake up and notice that I am doing it. At first I thought it was weird but then I realized how great it actually is. I mean you can actually do it without thinking much about it. Is this not something that you want to be able to do? Is this not why we practice so that it will come naturally to us?

I was just wondering, how do you actually copywrite something? I am writing some stuff of my own and maybe some day something might come of them.

I do not think the Bible flat out mentions OBEs anywhere, but I do think that some of the things that occured in the Bible took place on the astral. A good example of this is Revelations. In fact I believe that most religious people of Christianity and other religions were astral travelers who were reporting what they had experienced from their perspective. Fasting and meditating is commonly mentioned in the Bible. This sets the stage for having an OBE, so if this was a common practice I am sure that they have had them every now and then.

As far as you choosing a religion, well that is up to you. I can give you my personal views but that does not mean you have to share them. I personally do not like organized religion. I think it can hinder your spiritual progress. I think that everything you need is within you. This does not mean that religious texts are completely worthless. There is wisdom to be found within the Christian Bible,as well as other religious texts I am sure but I have not read them. To me I think it is better not to have any strong beliefs about any god/gods/goddesses or the afterlife. For one, you could be wrong and when faced with this after physical death you might find it hard to deal with being wrong, or get caught in a false heaven.  There are so many different religions in the world, why subscribe to just one? Is there one that is completely right and all the others wrong? Are they all wrong, or are they all partly right? I suggest you explore for yourself and make your own choices.

I am not sure about this, so I could be wrong but I figure it does not hurt to say this so you can check. It seems like a few years ago I heard something about Steven King being big on giving info to new writers and trying to help them out. I am not sure if he had any info posted somewhere, had a book on helpful info or what. I keep wanting to think he had some kind of written material about how to find a publisher and what is a good contract and such. So you might want to look him up on the net and see if maybe he has a web site giving this info.

Ok, I do not share the same views as Robert when it comes to "negs". I have not had his experiences so I cannot make a judgement about them. I respect his ideas and think that he is honest about how he percieves what he experiences. But I do not see how running water can effect "negs" or any kind of spirit.  From my study and experience "negs" are just manifestations of your own thoughts, beliefs, and emotions. If you insist on them being separate entities then I will say that they are attracted to your thoughts, beliefs, and emotions. The only way to deal with a "neg" is to deal with your emotions and thoughts that are creating/attracting such things. If you are not or have not encountered a neg, then do not worry about it. Worry and fear can make you encounter such a thing because of your emotions towards them. The only possible effect I can see running water having on "negs" is that running water may have a calming effect on you, thus getting rid of your negative thoughts and emotions, thus riddig you of "negs".

I hear werewolves can't cross running water either.

Thanks for the link. This is an interesting site. You actually scared me for a minute with this link, didn't know what to expect.

I am sorry that you are in such an emotional state. Realize that you are not the only one that has ever felt this way. I think this is something that we all go through. The teens and early twenties seem to be when this happens most often. There are lots of things that I would like to do, but may never get to. That is just life, you cannot have everything. You really need to stop looking at what you do not have and look at what you do have. Until you do you will never be happy. Think about some very materialistic person you know. All they want is more things, they are never happy with what they have. They keep thinking that when they get something new they will be happy and complete. The problem is they are looking outward for happiness. As soon as they get that something it is then theirs. Since they do not look at what they have, only what they do not have it does not make them happy. The same goes for all things, emotions, and people. As long as you are looking at what you do not have or cannot do you will always be depressed, for no one can do all things, posses all things, or do everything that they want. But if you look at what you do have, then you stop seeing yourself as incomplete and hollow and instead see the things that make you complete. I hope this makes sense. I have been through depression, so I know how you feel. I also know that unless you want to be happy and get out of it you never will. Learn from you experiences and learn to enjoy them.

One way to help you better see what Frank is talking about, see life as a video game. When you play a video game you are "in a different world" having experiences. But all games end. When the game is over you are still you, just in a different enviroment. When your physical life is over you will still be you, just a different enviroment. The problem is this new enviroment is very thought and emotional responsive. So you will still have to deal with how you feel, only much more directly. Your emotions will shape your enviroment. So through suicide all you are escaping is the physical world. The best possible thing that you can do is learn to deal with the situation otherwise you might get caught in an emotional loop until you do deal with it. Much easier to deal with on this plane than the other where you most likely would not get  a break from it.

Justine,

Is it possible for you to get a check card? It looks and acts like a credit card but it takes the money directly out of your bank account. It makes internet life a lot easier.

Credit cards are not bad if you can be responsible with them, and have a lot of self control. You should be able to find a card with a low credit limit and just do not let them raise it.