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Negative acts and thoughts will not inhibit projecting, unless they are keeping your consciousness focused on your physical body. You can be the worst person in the world and still project. The experience would probably not be that pleasant but still projection would be possible. Your thoughts and emotions effect, or create, the evironment when you are out of body. If you are a positive person you will have more positive experiences, and vise versa.

From what I have read the Akashic Records can be hard to understand and are full of symbols. It seems to require some skill to understand the meanings. So not many people can do this. All probably can but most are not that skilled yet. But you do have a very good point. From everything I have read about them the people only seem interested in learning about future events. I have yet to read about someone who has used this to learn about the past. Though it should be noted I have read very little on this. Maybe there is information on this that we do not know about. History is just as important, if not even more important, than the future. What is the point in knowing something that has not happened yet when there are many things to be learned from the past? Most of the time those that see the future only confirm events that they saw. There seems little value in that. But if something can be learned then that would hold value, to me atleast.

Not sure if this should be a new topic or not but I am wondering where baptism came from. I have read the Bible and I know that John just seemed to one day start doing it, but I am wondering if it has other origins. Does anyone know?

I sat down to watch From Hell last night and I started thinking about what the aliens said about crime. They told him that we give too much attention to it in media and news and that we should barely cover it. I started thinking about that. From Hell which is about Jack the Ripper occured over a hundred years ago. Some guy killed several people and mutilated them and 100 years later we still make movies and write books about it. I think that I am seeing what they are talking about. It is no wonder we have so much crime. In reality we practically idolize criminals. They get all kinds of news cover, books written about them, movies made, their picture posted all over, and sometimes they are even made out to be the victims. Some lonely guy or gal looking for attention who has a low morality would certainly love all that attention.

I guess we are all to blame for this. I mean I enjoy watching these movies as much as anyone else. For some reason we all slow down to look at a wreck on the side of the road. This is just like that, we all like to look and see what terrible things humanity is capable of doing no matter how much we disprove of it.

I agree David. Maybe when these "bad" things or "dangerous" things arise from trying something they are not really bad and meaning you should not proceed but rather they are there to teach you something that you need to learn before or as you proceed.

The question then is really of reincarnation. If we all die and then are reincarnated then I would have to agree that prolonging the current life and keeping it healthy would be a good advantage. But if we are not reincarnated or if we can choose not to be then it is really not that great, unless you are just really enjoying your current life. But I do feel there is many other realms to be explored and learn from other than just the physical, though there are many things to learn here as well.

I already have eternal life, just not my physical body. I personally would not want to live eternally on the physical plane and find it a rather dreadful thought. There are so many more place that are so much more wonderful that the physical. Why would anyone want to stay here?

I recently read William Buhlman's book Secrets Of The Soul. This is a good book dealing with the higher more spiritual meanings of OBEs and our spiritual evolution. If you are looking for a bookn on how to project I would suggest something else. If you are looking from something more from projecting then pick this book up. Good read.

Well I would say that the stress might be hurting your health. Stress, especially a lot of it, can really bring your health, physical and emotional, down. Try dealing with this stress and you may find that your health improves. Try to relax and meditate. Nightmares can be from all your stress as well, especially if you are doing a lot of worrying. If you wish to proceed with trying to astral project then go for it. You cannot be hurt by it and it might be good for you to deal with things on the astral. Just do not fear anything that you might experience. I would say that you very well might experience some negativity when you project as it sounds like your life is rather chaotic right now. But this can be good to work through. Remember you cannot be hurt while projecting. Just try to see the truth of the experience and look for higher things. Disreguard the ignorance these people have told as they seem to know nothing about astral projection.
GOOD LUCK!

I do not have experience with such entities but I would suggest teaching your daugther about astral projection and out of body experiences. Tell her that nothing can hurt her. That only fear can keep her down and once she over comes fear then she will be fine. There is nothing to fear but fear itself. I would not jump to saying it is a neg, maybe a spirit or something.

I think I am flawed in saying that babies have no will, thank you for pointing it out. Clearly they have some will or they would not be alive. I think they do have the will to survive, what they do not have is understanding. A baby does not understand religion or rituals. Baptising the baby is pretty much to put the parents minds at easy and if it works then great.
One question is that if you were baptised as a baby and then decide to follow another belief, what does it matter? If you do not believe that Christainity is correct when why would you believe that baptism has any power?

Violence:
Clearly there are times that violence is needed. Would any disagree that it is needed when defending your nation? If a people did not believe in violence and refused to do it, well there are other people out there that are not and would be more than happy to kill them and take over their nation. This kills off the teachings against violence and allows the more violent people to breed and promote their ideas. So yes there is a time for violence otherwise this world would be run by violent people with no one else in it. We would all be ruled by Hitler. The difference is responsible violence and irresponsible.

What I find most amusing is the people that think peace is promoted with violence. George Bush has said that the US may need to strike first to keep other nations from starting a war. Does anyone else find a flaw in this idea? Violence, though needed at times, only promotes more violence. You cannot attack someone and then say ok now lets have peace. Peace produces peace, violence produces violence.

God is neither male nor female. As one has already pointed out that idea is absolutely absurd. The claim that God is male in some religions points to the intent of controling the masses by putting males first. Also if God is male then there would have to be a female. Otherwise what is the point in having a sex. If there is a female then there is more than one God. If there are male and female then they must reproduce, hence there are even more Gods, unless "the God" killed all the other gods so he could be the only one. But God is not a man or woman such as we are. God is formless and exists beyond a physical understanding. God is also beyond time. Where God exists there is no time, or it is all time at once. So the agruments about what came first, how did God come about are flawed. God is outside of time as we know it.  God always existed for without time how is there a beginning and an end?

Good and Evil usually depend on your point of view. Usually they are just man made ideas that in truth hold no weight. Common sense does seem tell us all what we should and should not do. If you actually listen and search you will know what is right and wrong. Energies are just like tools, as been stated. I agree with this. It is how we use the tool that matters. I really do not believe that there are any "tools" that are dangerous for us to use.

I do not think that it is wrong really, but to me personally I see it as pointless. Here is why, I do not think that the actual act of baptising does much. What I think does is the person themself wanting to follow Christainity and making this display to show they are commited. It is the person's choice and will  that actually effects them and not so much so just going under water and coming back up. Since a child has no will of such things then it is really pointless, but the parents will for protection of the child could grant something to it.

These are my opinions and I sure do not wish to upset anyone. My idea that baptism is just a display may spawn arguments. Let me say that I am not saying it is bad if that is what you believe. But do let me say this, in all the Christain sects that I have visited it the main idea is that if you are not baptised or have not made public display of your loyalty to Christainity that you will not go to heaven. So what about the people who do decide to follow Christ but say get killed before they are baptised? I say this because when I was younger such an event occured, so I was told about. The preacher at the funeral of this boy who had decided to follow Christ but was killed before being baptised said that the boy was going to hell because he was not baptised. So what is your thoughts on this? Is it the baptising that is important or is it the person's will?

PeacefulWarrior,

You have brought an interesting question to mind. Are your dreams and obes are similar? What I mean by this is if you dream good happy things are your projections usually the same. Or if you dream about negative things are your obe similar?

I rarely remember my dreams but when I do they are usually neutral or good and pleasant. I have not had a nightmare in a long time. I might have dreams that are dark but I have not experienced any fear. Though I have not had a lot of OBEs I have not had any negative fearful experiences. So do you think that when we dream and project that we are drawn to the same levels of the astral?

Congratulations!!  

I am for free will too. Maijuana does seem to have a few good benefits from what I have heard. Of coarse it is those that abuse it that give it a bad name, just like alcohol and everything else.  I have never tried it and probably never will. If it was legal I might try it but I am not one to abuse such things. I wonder if it was legal if there would be as much abuse of it as there is now. I think that many people, especially younger people, abuse it because it is illegal and they get a "high" just because it is something they are not suppose to do. Though I must say it does seem that a lot of people that smoke it are not junks and are actually very responsible with it.

I would think that Mr. Bruce might have knowledge on this since he has had experience in such fields. I wonder if we could get his attention to post some ideas. Atleast some place to start looking.

I hope you find what makes you happy and can give you a good living.

After thinking about it all weekend, I must agree with you. For there to be such a change as is suggested in the book something fantasic would have to happen. It is definately not going to just happen as it did on the other alien's planet, don't remember his name Arlek or something I think. I think too many people, atleast in the US, are too materialistic. They have to have more material things, and if a neighbor gets a new fancy car well so does the other neighbor. It just seems that everyone wants more material things. Just look at what most people want when they win money in the lottery or a show. They usually want material things. So do you think that if a group stood up and said that things have to change that anyone would stand up with them? No because everyone is enjoying their material wealth. Maybe if the nation becomes so bad that people are without their precious things then maybe. But we all have been so currupt and mislead that we cannot even see what we really need any more. Anyone that even suggests that we need to look more to our emotional and spiritual health is laughed and made to look like a radical and a freak. Show change might be a possibility but the only change that I can see happening now is one towards less freedoms for the people and more power given to the few. Especially in light of this "war" we are in now.

Money is not really the problem. The Christian Bible really states, "The LOVE of money is the root of all evil". It is when people put money first and love money more than people that problems develop. I think it is clear that this is a major problem in our society. We have to have money to live in our current society but it is so disheartening when they take away benefits at work while the top dog is getting a bigger bonus. How much money does a person really need? Look at all the CEOs that are getting millions of dollars each year while the company is going under. Does that not say something? And this is happening alot lately. Probably no more than usually but it is in the news a lot. Why are people not more upset about this?

It would be nice to have a lot of money so that one could travel and have some freedom to do what one wants. But I think this is really a trap. It is easy to say I wish I had a million so I could do so and such. But then when you get it, I have a strong feeling that you (everyone) would say I wish I had a million more so I could do and get this and that. It would never be enough. We would want more and more. So really seeking freedom by wanting more money is not the right path. Freedom comes by not wanting money or any material things. Of coarse we would all like to have more money, but we should learn to not desire it and if it should come our way be grateful and not "fall in love" with it.

I have already stated my opinions of the truth of it. But I do want to say that one thing that does make me feel like it could possibly be true is that it is free. I understand why it would cost money: the only way to really get to the majority of the population would be to publish the book, no one is going to publish a book that they are going to give away, so something has to be charged. But not it is avaible for free.

Richard,
If you want you can read the book for free online by going to the link posted above. You just have to give your email address to get a password. The aliens were kind of Christ like, though actually the opposite is really true, Jesus was like the aliens because he was one of them, sort of.

I do think it is kind of wild to think about the history it presents. It would explain Atlantis. Why else would it be thought to have been an advanced society? Of course I know how things get stretched out and emblelished. It is also rather sad to think that Earth was so peaceful and advanced at one time only to fall to what it is now.

I hope we all meet on a higher planet some day.

In part they are right, but you need to understand the astral to understand why. The astral is made of emotions, it is your personality that makes the environment there. This may sound weird to someone who does not know about astral travel but you need to know that what you experience is part of you. In other words here on the physical your personality is on the inside and you do not have to deal with it directly, or at all sometimes. On the astral your personality is on the outside. It forces you do deal with you. So if you encounter something negative on the astral it is more than likely some kind of fear that you have. If you are a very negative person your astral experiences will be mostly negative. So to have a more pleasant astral experience you need to deal with yourself first. Work through this dark part of yourself. If you do not do it first then you will have to sometime while you are out of body. Dealing with it while out of body can be theroputic but for someone who is inexperienced it can be somewhat harmful unless you understand what is going on.

Know and remember this, YOU CANNOT BE HURT WHILE OUT OF BODY. Your astral body is indestructible compared to your physical body. So the only thing you need to fear is fear itself. The only way that something can hurt you is to make you scared, which really does not hurt you other than causing you to be overcome with fear. Do not worry if you should become afraid, even the most experienced astral traveler gets surprises now and then. It is just part of it.

The best thing you can do to prepare is to honestly sit down and look at yourself, even the parts you do not want to face. Explore who you really are. Also try to control your emotions. They can be much more extreme when out of body so control is needed. If you have control then you will not get as scared and be overcome with fear, though it will still happen sometimes. Controling your emotions on the physical will make it easier for when you are out of body.

Good Luck!

You have nothing to fear but fear itself.

[Originally posted by Mobius:]

quote:Originally posted by Mobius:

I'm not sure where I stand on this one as I don't believe either creation or evolution is entirely responsible for our existence. If there are aliens in who's image where they created? Do they believe as a lot of religous people here on earth do, that God was created in "their" image & as far as they know are justified in doing whatever they please if they are monotheistic like many here on earth, created in "their" image, giving them the impression that their actions reflect the wishes of their God.

Do you think that God has an image? If so is it a physical image or the "image" of consciousness?

I find it totally unbelieve that God could have a physical form so there could be no physical image to make man or alien.

On another message board someone claims that they were having an obe and were in a store trying on clothes. When they woke up the clothes were there with them.

Just let me say an great big thank you for starting this topic and for posting about the Bates method. Since I saw this topic last week I have done some research and found this book entitled Improve Your Vision Without Glasses Or Contact Lenses by several doctors. I was SO surprised at what I have found. You HAVE to read this book. This seems to have been brought about by Dr. Bates but this book is modern, published in 1996. They come forward with facts about the eyes that other eye doctors do not want you to know. They show that corrective lenses basicly do more harm than good. Stop wearing them except when you need to, like driving, cooking, etc. These doctors are with the American Vision Institute and have worked with over 10,000 people to improve their eyesight with several simple exercises. They say that vision is something we learn and that our eyesight gets bad because of our habits and environment. These exercises teach your eyes to see again.  These are not time consuming but things you can do while sitting at red lights etc. They also give exercises to do for about 1/2 an hour each day for a month and say that you should see some improvement. I plan on doing these exercises along with some energy work. If my eyes improve even a little bit it will be worth it. Again I suggest that everyone reads this book as it has some interesting facts in it. I will post a link to it. It is not a long book either, just a little over 100 pages for easy reading and then a few pages of charts. I read it all over the weekend.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684814382/ref=pd_sim_books_1/103-1237166-6836650

I hope we see a shift to this vision theropy instead of the "Just deal with it" attitude that is dominate right now.

GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!!

This is a very good question and I am glad everyone is being responsible with it. First let me say that I respect everyone's opinion and Ideas so do not let anything I say offend anyone as it is not intended that way.

I believe that there is a Creator, a God if you wish. I have grown to dislike the word god because to me it brings images of an old man sitting in a shining place dictating events and what not. I do not see God as this or what most people see this being as. God is everything. We are all part of God just that on this low plane we do not see our connection as well. The higher up you move the more the connection is clear until at the highest level you find "God" which is total oneness of all things. I will leave it at this as I do not have time to go into more detail and it is really not that important. I do not want to upset anyone either so this is good enough.

As to why I believe this. It just seems to fit in with my search for now. I do not believe in just accepting what I have been told either. I feel that everyone should search openly. This is what I have done and so far this is what I have found. I am still open and this idea can change. What is important is not to stop searching, build a wall and say this is how it is. We must keep searching and growing and be open to finding new truths.

I just wanted to point that out to make people think about things. I mean every year you see the tabloids saying the end will come this year. They have been saying this for as long as I can remember. It has probably been going on since time began and man found out he could die. The just fear of the end of the world seeems to be a projection of the fear of death to a more grand scale.

I have read Revelatons, several times actually but it has been a few years. In all honesty it is very hard to put it with physical events. It is so symbolic it is about lost. It might be good to look back on and say oh yes I see now, but to see it before it happens is going to be difficult. The Bible even says that there will be wars and such before this event happens but they do not signal the beginning of the event. I have also heard many people saying many different things about this prophecy and have come to the conclusion that no one can really interpret it, or most of it anyway. I have heard some say that they think it has already come to pass in World War II. One thing that is really talked about is the mark of the beast. I have heard some say it is credit cards, others think we will all be branded with a bar code. I think that unless the governments become dictorships many people will resist chip implants for this every reason. But is this chip really a bad thing? I know I do not want it, but what if the mark is merely symbolic and does not mean any kind of such thing. It could very well be an attitude that everyone will get, a lack of morality.

Things very well could be coming about that have been prophecized. I just want people to weigh such things out and not just think "Oh that is close to what part of Revelations says so it must be the End". And remember this, though Revelations does have a lot of bad things happening the ending talks of good things when this has past. And I think that is what Revelations is about, not trying to tell people exactly what will happen but to give them comfort during troubling times. To let them know there is always good things after troubling times have past, and this can apply to all of our lives now.