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i've been close, but i've never walked outside of my body, turned around, and looked at myself ... but maybe in a while when a month out of being clean from marijuanna, i think that will help alot too.

thx panthau!! i need to get some earplugs, haha. how long did it take u to get it right? and how old were u?

For me, being 17 years old, and probly still maturing, and having a lot of hormones running haywire, do you think that makes it less probable for me to OBE?

More like taking drugs like meth, or pcp haha ... really not funny though. Stookie's right, that's just refer madness.

I do agree that cannabis gives a good insight on the whole OBE process, cuz it does make ur body really relaxed, but the downfall is that your dependent on cannabis to achieve that.

no, i do believe they help alot in getting familiar w/ OBEs, kinda similar w/ using the binearul beats or the lights for the eyes, or even the assistance of someone leading you. Safe drugs do happen to induce an OBE in a sense, for euphoria is being 'out of body' like. Salvia, shrooms, peyote, acid, and pot, they all do similar things in leading the way. I'm not saying i don't wish to induce an AP normally ...

i've had many trippy moments while high. I've actually had an experience last night. I've had more experiences high than not, and it's an aid in spiritual development for me. I'd say the best thing to take from smoking is the experience of doing better OBE's. I believe why pot helps so much is because it does clear your mind, your body is more prone for sleeping, but it keeps you conscience awake. I'm just excited to trigger that all on my own.

During the day, you should reaffirm that it's safe to OBE, and that those beings wishing to harm you simply just can't, and that those calming watching you could actually help you. I'd like to have intense OBE's like your's. Maybe try calling out to them and asking who they are and what they offer.

Last night, w/ the assistance of smokin some herb, I lied down and ran through my ap process.

First attempt: i did some breathing exercises, but seemed to jump straight into crazy symptoms. My throat started to hurt, and i was not comfortable, so i got up and readjusted.

Second attempt: I layyed down, did more breathing, then trance, and i actually felt the calming effects of it. Then i tryed some more projection techniques. I got up again to get more comfortable, cuz i was cold.

Third attempt: I layed down, did trance again, then raised and balanced my chackras, then i felt energized.
I called out for help. I did feel like i wasn't connected to my sleeping body. I could see three faded colors, like a green, a red, and a blue source. And i felt like i was coming out easier, lifting up from legs, and arms, and moving around. I tryed moving away from my body completely, but i still didn't feel right, nor independent. So i tryed rope method, and yada yada... I don't remember how far i got, but it was a good practice night. I really just want to ap soon. I felt like i did well. Any tips?

I guess i really should have started off right, and focused on my routine. The whole experience was great! Soon enough, it'll work out. I did happen to have some weird half-lucid dreams, but i don't quite remember them all.

When i say ask for help, i mean calling out mentally for assistance.

When in the process of APing is it appropriate to ask for help? After hypnagogics? Do u have hypnagogics every time u lay down at night to AP?

See, this topic makes me really believe there has to be an outside force assisting in phenomena, but to relate to AP, do you suppose these people contacted these outside forces and asked for the knowledge on how to do this and got the necessary resources? Or sought some assistance and got more than what they asked for? Or got less, because it looks unfinished. Or possibly, they tried to make a base and some other intruders invaded and halted the process? It's all interesting to talk about this stuff!!

I'd say what's most important to take from these 'visions' is that all though the possibility of aliens is possible, what it's most likely telling us is that chicanery is out there, and that it comes in many forms, and others are out there to help us, and that the evil will try to kill you, conquer you, or something not good. Us on earth, in order to succeed, need to overcome the evil forces that are present on our planet and ourselves. I really believe that the elites do use mind powers and suppress others from using it, and that its all potentially possible out there to live the lives we were destined to do. We're all here to help eachother out, or to hurt our neighbors. There is a plan, but it's all up to us to follow it or to deviate for some reason. Weather we choose to add to the chaos, or help to the order of the whole conscience, we have a choice. Live in freedom/happiness/prosperity!

i believe they might actually be aliens, and alien infested human beings. It seems to unreal that our history all happened by coincedence. It's too structured, like an agenda. Aliens would be the only beings that could possibly structure this. I believe in good and evil, and that good was naturally structured to overcome evil. Our evil and good capabilities inside us are still present, but with our choices we can choose which path to take. "There is a dark wolf and white wolf in your spirit. They are at constant battle. Well who wins? The one you feed the most." -I don't remember who said this

i actually have researched natural drugs alot, and i see no harm in taking them. I've had the most telepathic/AP experiences when high. I think if you're not ready for it don't do it, but it will come around to you. Drugs are present in the human body already, and you are what you eat. Being vegan is the healthist habit for our bodies(i wish my parents would change). I heard that the definition of euphoria is 'out of body experience', and would make sense. If only americans stuck to old traditional conservative views that founded this country, and we could choose what to put into our bodies.

I think the true event in 2012 will most importantly the rebirth of freedom/utopia. I don't want to live in a crap hole for my whole life, and i think history will be made that will last in our collective conscience forever as one of the final armageddon (don't worry, i use this in it's true meaning, the realization of something new to all). I know people will come around to the idea of cooperation, freedom, and peace.

I was also wondering, can hallucinogenic drugs like cannabis, shrooms, and salivia induce an OOBE, or atleast help?

Does anyone think that we'll have mind powers during 2012 (date i don't really know), like telepathy, or instant AP? mind controling?

awesome, i really need to catch up to do it THAT well though, i really want to experience OOBE!! Good luck to all, I'm going practice my AP right now.

coolio, i kinda didn't really know all that, TTHANKS!!

thanks man, i guess i really need to experience some OOBEs before i have true knowledge of my potential

I'm not quite sure what's up with spirit guides, but who are they? How/when exactly can they help me during and after ap? Jw, cuz i'm wishing someone would help me experience my first conscience obe. Could i even call out one of you on this forum to come help me??

I'd say the visualization at first is where u imagine just looking at yourself, in your thoughts, climbing, then once you've induced your way in, then the imagination thing is right, then it shoud actually feel like ur arms are climbing, along w/ your whole body

I'd just try what ever feels most natural, i try and lay straight w/ my arms laying down. And at first i visualize from a perspective, then i'll proceed to actually imagine my arms moving and straining to get up and my astral arms will eventually proceed w/ the same movements.

When I got the dream-info about how to make Astral Energy Balls, it suddenly all just fit together.

What do you mean about dream-info? In your above steps, you actually visually see and reproduce all the balls and place them, but then you close your eyes and do the rest of the visualizations and the other stuff?

It's called a false awakening, and your paralysis could be attributed to a random fear of yours. You should be stronger than your flimsy fears, overcome it, and move on. I've had a similar situation, i awoke in my bunk, i had a random feeling of fear, covered myself w/ my comforter, and then saw a dog leap out at me through the railing on the bunk. I then actually awoke, and very scared. I realized now that it's silly, but it was similar to this topic of AP.

I'm kinda a beginner to all this experience, but i've had these similar experiences in the past before i read into it, and never explored it thoroughly, but now i can't even consciencly trigger it. THX Stookie, i'll try the passiveness, i think that'll work. I just have trouble even getting to hypnagocic state, but that should help. I'll nap and do the morning trigger, try to slip into it.