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Kallas, what you are describing, as Stamboe mentioned, is most likely kundalini. If not, it is pure uncontrolled energy. For me it's like shooting electricity through my arms and legs. I strongly recommend you study NEW techniques. I've been able to abate such energy spikes by doing the full body circuit and sending the energy to the tantien (storage area). Meditation, as already suggested, is also a very good idea.

Ben, if she's describing what I experience, it is way more than tingling. It's very intense and almost makes you move to shake yourself out of it. I've had them occasionally for most of my life, just never knew what to call it until I started viewing this forum.

Hi Seeker,

On Knightlight's comment, what he said was that you can't see the space that separates your arm from the air next to it. Just as you can't see the space that separates each and every cell of your arm. I'm getting a little off topic here, but he is saying what physicists are also beginning to discuss. 90% or more of everything in our physical world is space! Theoretically, and maybe factually, there is nothing stopping us from being able to walk through walls except our perception of solidity. I totally agree with Knightlight's thoughts, though I don't accept all of Buddism's tenants.

My examples of enjoying wind, etc. were not meant to be limiting -- and I can certainly understand you not being thrilled about something that makes you sick!    My point was that you are not being, for lack of a better concept, destructively selfish, by enjoying pleasurable things. Like your birds. Of course they aren't singing for human's benefit; they have no interest in us so long as we leave them in peace. They are behaving selfishly!   But it's not "selfish" of us to enjoy the singing. My rules again: it harms nothing and brings pleasure -- therefore it's on the "good" side of the ledger.

Now, as to the existence of emotions...
Consider that everything we think and feel originates from electrical (or energetic) impulses moving through our brain. Destroy the pathways those impulses travel, or take away the impulses, and you do, indeed, have nothing! So in that sense, you are correct. However, that doesn't negate the reality of the emotion! How's that for a cunnundrum!  

A good physical example is your hand. Look at it. Move your fingers. Then consider that just a small injury to a nerve (or a local anesthetic for that matter), well above your hand, could make it impossible for you to move it, in spite of your best efforts. You are trying to understand the energy that makes us who we are, as I am. So far, I've had no success, mainly due to my own lack of commitment. But the good news is, no one else in the world understands it much better than we do. The only thing I can be certain of is that the energy that powers us is real. As to belief, I believe our energy is part and parcel of the same energy that permeates everything in the universe -- it's just being expressed as "us." What happens when we die -- does that energy dissipate into the energy sea, losing any sense of self, or does it remain aware like so many would like to think? That's a mystery we will likely never solve.

Last point -- just be able to find happiness somewhere, in something that causes no harm to other beings. I have a bretty bleak view of the world and everything in it, but still find those moments I mentioned. That's all we can count on. And if death brings a final end, that's not the worst of all possible worlds!

Tom, you make a great deal of sense!

Seeker, I think I know where you're coming from when you say virtually everything is selfish. But I think you misunderstand where selfishness becomes a bad thing. Selfishness is a living organism's urge to survive. Plants are selfish -- invasive grass chokes out less competitive plants. The grass doesn't care about the well being of  other plants. That's selfish. Does the grass "sin" in its unadulterated selfishness? I don't know. Selfishly, that's not my problem.  

But humans think, not merely react, and therefore choose their level of selfishness. That creates "sin." (my own opinion) If it gives me pleasure to run a currycomb over a horse that's losing its winter hair, that selfishiness is not "bad"! And if, by enjoying the act of currying the horse, I also give pleasure to the horse, then it's "good" -- at least to the horse.    What I'm trying to say is the sin is not in being selfish, it's in how we handle that emotion, the choices we make.

You may want to consider whether you are just overthinking the situation. Truth is more likely to be simple than complex, in this girl's opinion.    And my simple solution to a crisis of the conscious: If it harms no living thing, it's okay; if it brings pleasure to other living beings, then it's even better!

And what greatly lifts my spirit is the things you say that make you happy, like children playing and laughing. i hope that i some day will learn to see the beauty in that too and be happy just because of that. i find happiness hard do achieve when you have critical mind. so when you say that you too are a scientist at hart, and that you manages to stay happy anyway, well that is impressive.

Have you never stood outside on a blustery day, watching roiling clouds shift from silver to gray, with the wind trying to pick you up and take you with it, and never felt your spirits lift?! Have you never had a dog dance enthusiastically around you when you set down its food, then felt a smile through your whole body as that friend dives into her dinner?! Can you think of nothing that, just for the pure pleasure of it, makes you feel good?! If that is true, you sincerely have my pity, for you must be supremely unhappy.

i have even tried "The Gateway Experience", but that was no go either. i also find that i cannot do what the voice says (speaking of the voice, is that Robert Monroe himself speaking?). i definitely have a problem going from focus 10 to focus 12. "Feel your awareness expanding" how the %¤#¤%¤# can i make my awareness expand just like that? it gets frustrating. it is like telling you to get smarter "now you feel your IQ raising"

Here I can totally understand your frustration. Enough things have happened to me to convince me of the reality of out of body experiences and telepathy. (I won't repeat them here, no need to bore you). But I, too, am stuck with the inability to achieve anything "on command." All I can say is to just keep plugging.

Souljah333 and GeKKo,

Thanks, that's what I was trying to remember. As I said, they are broad themes and may or may not be applicable to any specific circumstance. Once you know the "standard meaning," the work begins. You must think of how the focus of the dream applies in your waking life.

Sometimes dreams can be very straightforward, though. For awhile, until I learned better, I raised dogs. I had a female expecting a litter and was concerned about the outcome. So one night as I went to sleep I asked my dreams to tell me if the litter would be born healthy. I had no fewer than five different dreams that night, all of them involving one dream character asking a question of the other. And each time, the answer was "I don't know." Not very informative, but crystal clear in addressing my question!  

Being chased and a sense of helplessness -- I've seen those topics defined before in dream "dictionaries." Someone help me out here, what was the usual meaning. You can find these in almost any bookstore.

However, bear in mind they are only very broad guidelines.  Some dreams are absolutely meaningless, just a rehash of the day you've had. Others are trying to tell you something -- or you are trying to tell you something (don't get me into semantics!)    

Think back a bit and see if you can't plug the emotions into something in your waking life. If you can't, I'd just try sleeping in a different position next time. Kidding aside, sleeping on your back will give you bad dreams, almost guaranteed.

britt_jasmine

Congratulations, and may this be the first of many more such experiences! Isn't that feelling awesome?

Rydel,

It sounds like we are 100% in agreement! The natural laws of our universe assure that what we send out, we get back, be that good or evil. There's nothing "supernatural" about it!

This is only my opinion, based on where I am in my learning journey at the present. That said, IMO, magic, or magick, is simply the manipulation of the energy sea all things swim in at all times. In other posts I've compared it to electricity, but I don't know if it's that, or maybe closer to an energy like gravity, or something else entirely.  

In any event, that energy is very real and affects everything, animate, inanimate and all points between. "Magic" is simply our ability to manipulate that energy. If you just stand still at any given time, you can feel it.

I also believe anyone can learn magic, though it is not easy, and there will likely be different skill levels. Just like math and English, some folks have a better aptitude than others. I just hope I don't turn out to be one of the magical morons!  

One thing I am pretty convinced of -- you have to have complete confidence that what you are doing will work before the results will be what you expect. Actually, it's more than confidence, maybe faith. It's just a mind-set where you never even think about it. You just say the spell, like getting out of bed in the morning -- you just expect the floor to be there!  

Hope this answered your question to some degree...

Aleshah and Ben, you are moving in my direction - be careful...  

I did some reading on the "weighing the soul" experiments. That was done many years back, I want to say in the early '40's but stand to be corrected. The problem was, they didn't have equipment capable of accurately recording such small weight changes and thus, the figures are questionable. That experiment has not bee repeated so far as I know. I wish someone would do that type of research again today -- we have the equipment now to really know for sure.

My point is, and it's a theory only right now, that our souls are only physical. Even if that is true there would not necessarily be a weight difference when it leaves the body. How much does electricity weigh?

Nostic, I believe you and I are in accord on this issue. The abilities we are just beginning to understand could go far in eliminating so many of the problems with our world today. And that would be so even if not everyone had those abilities. Suppose for a moment that telephathy could be proven in a scientific, repeatable, demonstrable manner. IMO that ability would eliminate lying! That improvement alone would be earth-transforming! Imagine if all of the politicians in the world knew without question that most, or all, of those listening to their fine speeches knew what was in their mind and heart. And how many of those masses would continue follow like sheep if they knew the true motives of those "noble" politicians?  

As to levitation and/or astral travel -- what need for fossil fuels when we could travel wherever we wished with no artificial help. Again, world changing! We would still have the presence of evil people who imposed their will by brute force, but at least their motives would be right out in the open!

Yes, I believe many of the powers we are exploring are real and very valuable. I also believe it should be the absolute primary goal of everyone on these forums gifted in one manner or another to find a way to prove that skill -- and the quicker the better!  

Alexd,

Haven't heard much from you on this subject, like an answer as to whether your cat has been neutered. Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?

By the way, one very recent additional example of domestic pets

not meant to be kept indoors

A friend's dog accidentally got out. It was apparently hit by a car but fortunately some folks found it, with serious injuries, and took it to a vet. It's now back with its owner.

I am really not picking on you -- just trying to get you to take better care of your pets.   [/list]

Marcus, I am interested in taking a shot, but would like to know when you will be concentrating on the target. It's 1:25 Central (Daylight Savings time) where I'm at now. What time is it in your locale, and can you nail a time for Saturday's experiment?

alexd, I tell you now, I am a true animal lover and a lover of our natural environment. There are some who may like to wear that name, but they are far from "walking the walk'. Case in point:

Cats are not meant to be kept indoors.
My cat doesn't kill wildlife, or pose any threat to the environment that I can see, even though he spends most of his time outside, sometimes quite far from home.

The foolishness of this post is past bearing! If you are over ten years of age you should know better! Has your cat been touched by some devibne spirit that it is exempt from the instincts of other cats? All cats hunt, period, end of sentence!  My indoor cats hunt -- sometimes catching mice, but mostly hunting their toys, or dust-bunnies, etc. If yours is not bringing its catch back to share with you I could tell you why, but you wouldn't like it.

I had some "outdoor" cats in my youth. I had a very pretty black kitten and and a beautiful grown female gray tabby both killed by a neighbor's tomcat because I was too stupid to realize cats do not belong outdoors. In later years I had the dubious honor of climbing into a roadside gulley to rescue a cat with a broken pelvis, apparently hit by a car. I'm sure that cat, who, of course, belonged outdoors, would have survived for a week or more longer had I not heard its cries and gone to investigate. The vet said the cat had other broken bones in the back legs, but wasn't feeling that pain because a spinal injury. That pretty white cat, a long-hair, was about a year old.

Now, let me ask a question -- has your "outside" cat been neutered? Likely not. And of course this has no impact on the environment. Like the people I visited who had achieved their dream of moving into the country, along with one female cat. At the time of my visit they had four females, all pregnant, outside, of course. The guy said he had tried to shoot all the males he saw, but apparently missed one. Ohh yes, good solid, nature loving logic -- better to shoot some, leave others to breed uncontrollably, than to at least have your initial cat neutered!

And more, if it's needed -- feline leukemia is a highly contagious, frequently fatal disease of cats that can be avoided by keeping your pet inside. Odds are good your cat has been exposed. A simple blood test can confirm or deny any exposure -- if you care enough to have it done. By the way, there is no cure. I saw another "not meant to be inside" cat who came to my porch one evening and turned out to have the disease. It was a walking skeleton, barely able to stand. At one time, it had been a pretty orange tabby.

I can tell you many more stories, but you don't want to hear them. It won't happen to your cat, and doesn't impact the environment. IMO, your comment about cats not being meant to be inside is just a cop-out for your own failure to be a responsible pet owner!

Frank, I agree with you whole-heartedly that man has been a huge blight on nature. Not the only one, but huge. However, what are you saying? Are you saying that because there are many other problems to deal with, that we should just sit and do nothing about problem we can control? That makes a lot of sense!    If each of us would "do" rather than "talk", to minimize our impact on the environment, then we might have a planet we can pass on to future generations. As it is, I hope everyone is fond of concrete and steel, because that's all that will be left before too long. Yes, I am opposed to feed lots and "mass produced" livestock, but other than refraining from supporting them, there is nothing much else I can do. But I can act responsibly myself, and preach the message to others. And if idiots too foolish to see their own contribution to the  problem choose to shoot the messenger, then so be it!

This is going to be a long post, so I apologize in advance. But I'll keep my part short. I have no problem with cats, so long as they are kept indoors. Outside, whether feral or "pets" they are an added strain on an already unbalanced ecosystem. I could go on, but I'll stop there.

Now, here are excerpts from a 2004 National Geographic article I found on the web. It summarizes the impact and problems pretty well.

Ron Jurek, a wildlife biologist for the California Department of Fish and Game, has kept a close eye on the impact feral and free-roaming domestic cats have on native species, like the California least tern, a federal endangered bird that nests along the coast.

"Cats do kill wildlife to a significant degree, which is not a popular notion with a lot of people," he said.

In urban areas, he said, there are hundreds of cats per square mile (1.6 square kilometers)—more cats than nature can support.

Exact numbers are unknown, but some experts estimate that each year domestic and feral cats kill hundreds of millions of birds, and more than a billion small mammals, such as rabbits, squirrels, and chipmunks.

Feline predators are believed to prey on common species, such as cardinals, blue jays, and house wrens, as well as rare and endangered species, such as piping plovers and Florida scrub jays.

For more than ten years, Jurek says, feral and domestic cats have been a persistent problem in California, killing one or two colonies of least terns each year. The small white birds are part of an intense monitoring program with a tremendous number of volunteers who watch the colonies throughout the six-month nesting season.

"If a cat finds the colony, it can destroy the colony in a few days, if not overnight," Jurek said.

Linda Winter is the director of the American Bird Conservancy's (ABC) Cats Indoors! campaign. The conservation group, based in Washington, D.C., started the program seven years ago to educate the public that free-roaming cats pose a significant risk to birds and other wildlife.
The conservancy believes feral felines should be removed permanently from the environment and taken to shelters. The majority of wild cats, though, cannot be domesticated. Consequently shelters kill them, sometimes minutes after the cats are dropped off.

Julie Levy is a veterinarian and professor at the University of Florida College of Veterinary Medicine in Gainesville. She says the answer to permanently reducing wild cat populations is through the Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) method, in which entire colonies of cats are trapped, vaccinated, and sterilized by a veterinarian.

Homes are found for young kittens, which can be tamed. Healthy adults are returned outdoors, where volunteers feed and look after them for the remainder of their lives.

The method, though, is neither quick nor simple. n a study conducted by Levy over an 11-year period, she found the cats lived an average of 7 years after being spayed and brought back to their territory.

"It's become a double-edged sword, because we're happy for the cats that they're living life and in good health," Levy said. "But it also means that we can't expect our neuter programs to work really quickly."

Levy is also the founder of Operation Catnip, the largest TNR program in the country.

The ABC's Winter, who is vocal in the battle between wildlife groups and feral advocates, says she opposes the TNR method because the released cats continue to kill wildlife. Another problem, she said, is that feeding stations maintained by caregivers attract animals like raccoons and skunks that carry rabies and other diseases, creating a public health threat.

The cats can also transmit diseases. In August, animal control officials in Eugene, Oregon, reportedly discovered more than three dozen feral cats infected with salmonella, which is contagious to people and pets. No humans, however, were reported to be infected.

"TNR is just not a solution that helps everybody and all animals involved," said Winter, an owner of two indoor-only cats. "They need to figure out another way."

Levy hasn't come up with another way. But she is currently working with a wildlife research group to develop a sterilization vaccine for female and male cats.

"We're on the trail of a good one," she said. "We're now one year into a two-year study with male cats, and it's looking extremely promising."
If the vaccine is developed, she said, trained technicians would go into the field and inject the cats. The vaccine would make TNR programs more efficient by helping reduce costs and labor.

Selski,

WOW! Congratulations! Have you been able to do it again? I know how hard that is, mind you, because of my own experiences.

Wow, again!

Tyciol, you are right in line with my thoughts! It's not real unless you can prove it--consistently.

There was some talk here about "knowing" the astral was real because it scared you. Uhhh, has anyone heard of nightmares? I've had a few real corkers and I know absolutely they aren't real -- one involved the end of the human race.

Someone else mentioned that the astral becomes "real" when you imagine it. Has anyone heard of dreams? I've had a few flying dreams that I would give anything to have be real. But nope, no carryover to the waking world.  

I know OBE is real because of my one wide-awake, standing on my feet, during the day, experience with it. I wasn't tired and I wasn't daydreaming. Unfortunately, the whole thing lasted only seconds. I had just a bare second to think about finding proof, then it was over. And of course, I haven't been able to do it again!   So, even though I've "been there, done that," I must reserve judgment on its reality.

Has anyone been able to successfully complete the card trick? I'd love to hear about it!

BoscosFriend,

You're talking about concepts I've been thinking about for awhile. I agree that what you refer to as God cannot exist outside of "everything," but it wouldn't have to. It is unquestionable that "everything" swims in a universal sea of energy. Chakras and auras are just two examples of the visibility of this energy. My point of debate is whether that energy is "God," or whether it is simply another component of "everything." I just made a post on another thread that sort of relates to this.

You can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God through the use of your example, but if God does exist, he/she/it will be right here in the middle of us, not outside "everything."

Of course, that brings up another little conundrum -- once we have imagined as big an "everything" as possible, what caused that to come into being? Are we just one small bit of a really huge "everything" that we can't even begin to imagine? That brings up my favorite example: to an earthworm, for instance, does outer space exist? Do they perceive our solar system even, or other galaxies?

Man, it would be lovely to have some real answers!  

A philosophical point: what if there is a balance of suffering and good in the universe? What if, for everything good that happens, something bad also happens to maintain that balance? It's not a cosmic learning experience or God's justice/judgment or whatever, but rather just a balancing out of natural forces in keeping with the laws of physics. The one I'm thinking of in particular is the Equal and Opposite rule. To paraphrase: "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." Just an interesting thought.

Selski, what you describe sounds like a wonderful experience! Who knows, perhaps you will go from lucid dreaming right into OBE. I would be interested in any updates on your experiences.  

Frank,

I detect a hint of complacency in your post, but I wouldn't get too comfortable. Last I checked, you can't knock down one in a row of dominos without substantially impacting the others in the row.

I don't argue about America being a bit spoiled. But, America is also a global consumer, with a trade balance tilted considerably to the import side. Should the U.S. economy fail, and assuming there is no other nation able to take up the consumer-spending slack, the economies of many other nations will react no differently than those dominos I mentioned. That's not bragging or complaining, just fact.

Of course, China, as the logical next superpower, may wind up filling that role. But right now, their economy is also dependent to the goods it sells to America. They might not like us, but they would miss us.  

Beavis,

Thanks for your reply! Like I say, I'm not overjoyed at my conclusions so far, I just don't see another explanation.

As to telekenesis, are you sure? How about manipulation of gravity?

Yes, that would pretty much be my definition of "physical." I grant you that String Theory, if proven true, can put a few kinks in the common view of the physical. But even then, if we were able to start hopping between dimensions, it would still be a physical ability. And it would still end when our brain ceased to function.

I don't know if I agree with you about the soul. Our body functions because of the electrical energy generated by our brain and passed through our nervous system. If that energy can no longer flow, then you are paralized (or blind, or whatever). When the electrical energy of the brain ceases, then we are dead. Or, put another way, "the soul leaves the body." I do agree about our electrical energy being converted to the type of energy that we all "swim" in -- maybe molecular attraction?

Your last point is exactly what I'm getting at. Yes, telepathic ability -- or reading the card while in the astral -- is purely the result of our brain's ability. Did you know that if you stick a florescent lightbulb in the ground underneath a heavy-duty power line, the bulb will light up? No wires, just "free" or "leaking" electricity. I certainly believe we have the power to manipulate the energy around us -- spells, ritual, these can work. But it's not some grand, outside, supremacy allowing these things to work. It's our own natural laws and our ability to apply them. I think we will be capable of some really wonderful things one day, if we don't kill ourselves off first!   But, like I've said before, all of this theory is just that, my theories so far. They are subject to change.  

Manuel,

No problem, that's what makes a horse race.  

But, don't just leave it there -- I stand to be persuaded. In fact, I would like to be persuaded. It would be nice to have "do-overs," given the royal mess I've made of my opportunities! I am a practical person, however, and the fact that I would like to believe in something "more" doesn't justify such belief. I need facts -- profoundly hard to come by!

Beavis,

Not dogma - electricity!

You made a comment - "soul = nonphysical thing attached" - that, in my opinion , is invalid. If that be so, any conclusions drawn from that premise must themselves be invalid.

Where is evidence the soul is non-physical? Other than dogma, of course!  

Manuel is right in stating the soul is the life force of the body. However, again in my opinion, that does not translate into a metaphysical "spirit." I think, at this point in my wanderings, that the human mind is capable, physically, of many more things than have been discovered so far. Astral travel, telepathy, all the rest, are not esoteric, metaphysical, "spirit things," but very real physical abiilities we are just beginning to understand. When we die, and that electrical energy dissipates, then it's over, end of story. Our brain's energy doesn't cease to exist; it just  blends with the universal energy, perhaps to one day form another sentient being. Not reincarnation, but more like the fact that we, today, are breathing oxygen that once filled the lungs of no telling how many other creatures. No "metaphysics," just logic.

Any astral experiences in the astral are a reflection of our physical brain working with our equally physical electric energy.  At least, that's were my investigations have taken me so far.

I got this straight from Mr. Spock himself!  

Frank,

Thanks for your very informative post! If I'm following you correctly, you're saying there are both genuine OBE's and dreams that mimic OBE's. My take is the "real" ones are when you shift your consciousness outside your body. I have not been able to do that consciously yet.

A question though: as I've said before (likely ad nauseum for some), my only genuine AP was when I was wide awake and doing normal things. All at once "I" was behind my body and just watching "me." In the few seconds it lasted, and in between a thought exchange, "I" had time to notice there was not room for both of me in the room I was in. I realized I had no body and my perception was above my normal visual height. It was as though "I" was a small of energy, but I could see everything just as I normally would. I have never come close to duplicating this on purpose, but I plan to keep trying! What focus level would this have been? (If I'm phrasing that inquiry correctly...)  

Anton1,

My first thought is to ask you to take your own advice. Do the practice, put the card on the table, and keep working at it. I agree with you in part -- the only way to know a thing is real is to demonstrate it unequivocally.

Having said that, I can add I absolutely know the ability to AP is real. My only instance of AP lasted just a few seconds. I was standing up, looking in a mirror, and feeling a bit disgusted. Suddenly "I" was standing behind myself, looking at me. "I" said, "It's just a biological machine, you know." Then it started to sink in what was going on and I popped back into my body. Didn't need the card. Took awhile to get my chin up off the floor.  

In the above instance, I could see and hear everything just as I normally can. I just didn't happen to be in my body while I was doing so. Go figure.