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Why it cant be done is because its all an illusion.
Osama, Saddam etc is part of the same gang as Bill Clinton, George Bush and all the other dudes.. aswell CIA, FBI etc.
Why it doesnt work is because the truth is not what you hear from the media... its a total different Thruth.
They are all part of the same illusion... to make people accept The New World Order.

Just because light doesnt shine on you doesnt mean it has been destroyed!
Maybe its just soo much "black dust" that blocks the rays to move outside it...

What i think i know is that light is only bent around the "hole".
What it swallows is matter, if a star gets sucked into the hole its because its made out of matter... An Astral Body is pure light ..not mass.

Light cannot get passed a mirror, but an astralbody can.

Kinda funny, the energy that the blackhole produces while spinning around.....
Wouldnt that kill itself, if the blackhole swallow everything, then it would swallow that energy too and collaps.

I will explore the blackhole when i get the chance.

Well, it sucked!

Its a difference between jumping from a cliff physically and jumping from a cliff in the astral.

Its like saying that if someone would swing a sword through your astral body, you would die from it because you cannot hold that imaginary structure of the body.

Funny...

I will not judge your intelligence, but that post really made me realize that some people read too much instead of learning it while by personal experience in the astral.

Maybe i will do a foolish decision to jump into a black hole when i am AP'ing, and maybe not.
The only way i can find out is to try it.
For me, seeing people write about that something is dangerious and stuff really makes wounder why.
And all that excrement makes me wounder why people are saying stuff like that.

bovine excrement i say.
If a friend from the astral would comeup to me upfront and say " excrement maan, i was just at the blackhole over there, and i couldnt come back up, i was stuck there for like 200yrs in total blackness, it was a nightmare" I would trust him and seek more knowledge before trying it.

But if some dude on a forum that is not a close friend tell me that it is dangerious, that dude may also hinder people from going there so he can have his experience by himself.

Maybe inside a blackhole or beyond it is a very nice place..very very very nice place.
Maybe it is soo fun and exiting that some people try to make people stay away so they can have it for themselves.

Maybe they get a kick to scare people from the most amazing and great things.

Maybe there is a gateway to jump to areas where you usually wouldnt get to without the proper knowledge.

If someone have tried to get close to one Black hole or even been in one, please post.

mms://win.ispstream.com/matthewc/disclosure/coasttocoast1_31_2003.wma

Click that link and listen.

A method that is working for me is to imagine that i am spinning and i will spinn out of my body, or i will trigger the reflex.
Or i try to roll out over my head.
The method should be done repeatedly.

About this book...

I have it at my shelf...and thats it.
I waited for 4month for this book to come to my bookstore.
When i got it in my hand i started to read it.
And what a dissapointment for me.
For me, i dont like reading about some other person who write about his/her own experience.

What i thought this book was about was that it should contain more from Seth own words instead of the author.
I kinda puked all over it.
Her writing about her own poetry.
I didnt want to read her words, i wanted seth stuff.

For me, it felt that it was 80% about the author and 20% from Seth.
Kinda annoing, big dissapointment.

I wokeup today feeling that my body was still tired.
So i closed my eyes, focused behind me and imagined that i was a rubberband and then released it and swosh i was shot out of my body into the void.

Then i felt myself floating and suddenly i felt myself spinning round and round and round and i decided to get the hell otta the area of my physical body and off i felt myself moving.
I still kept my eyes closed to not end up waking up again, i wanted to get away first b4 opening my eyes.

soon i opened my eyes slowly slowly and what i saw was a room similar to my own, but the thing was that i was still spinning so i knew it was not my real room
And it was different colors in it also.
Then i got up and explored the area.

The thing is that sometimes i just know how to get out and sometimes i have to really struggle to get my body relaxed.

When i get obe's and lucid dreams consciously form physical state its like i suddenly know how todo it.

The Monroe's Wave I - Intro to focus 10
It really makes me learn howto hold on to my consciousness while drifting away.

Please explain what you mean about that you dont have todo anything to get OBE.
Do you mena that you sit in a chair and say, i want to have an OBE and then you w8 several years until it has developed by it self so you can consciously have one?

Well, you can use the presets anyway.
just replace the presets.bwg with a downloaded preset.

I think you are WRONG to judge ppl like that.

Ive never said that all my experiences is in my brain.
I know that OBE's and Dreams are not in my brain.
So dont come here and judge.

And btw, dont think you have all the answers and that everyone else is wrong... be more open minded, there may be something in the middle.

Brain and the OBE hmmmm.

If there is uncontrolled activity in the body while you are "out" it will certanly affect your total self.
If someone where to give you a high by giving you some mushrooms you would certanly experience some strange affects in your reality in OBE. [)]

Think of yourself as beeing pregnant.
You surround your physical aspect of yourself.
And if you move in this dimension you are in while obe'ing you are still having the physical dimension located inside of yourself.
Like carrying a laptop computer that is connected to the internet wireless. [:O]
And you are always carrying this laptop until it is too old or get a malfunction. [xx(]
When you have done your business outside of the internetworld you startup the laptop from sleepmode and it startsup its vital functions so you can operate through it. []
Then you can start using it and operate, feed it with information or share information, whatever you want.
Then after a while you get tired of operate in the digital world and put the laptop in sleepmode.
Then you go and do your business (some aware or full aware of yourself). [?]


maybe,.. just some thought

I cant understand how you limit yourself by physical explainations.
If black holes affect the astral.. then you could not move into space to other planets ...because somewhere there will be a blackhole and you will pass into it without knowing it and boooom your erased as you so adequatly put it.

Has anyone asked some highly developed spirit about these things or have you only read these things in some newspaper?

It just doesnt make sense to me.
Either i limit myself and not move out into space, or i will explore every part of it.

Maybe its the Devil!!!!

Well, when i get good experience at OBEing i will try the black hole.
I have a list of things in my head that i want todo when i get good at OBEing.
Now ive added a new one...the black hole...
I like to do all these things that people havent dared todo and beyond
One that is on my list is to jump into my internet connection and try run through the line in digital form
And maybe endup in a storageroom somewhere on someones screen.. [ Hello!.. i am an astral beeing who says hello....hello! ]

Great, doesnt hurt to join
Free stuff is always good, especially in this area.
Thanks for the info m8.

Here is another though!

Maybe there is like this:

You live your physical life as a person who is kept blinded to the fact that you have more experience after your physical life.
And then he dies, he goes up to "heaven" or whatever that is and he is there for a very long time.

And after a while he kinda feel that "this is nice, but i want something to bite in and have some challenge for myself".
Like a game, he jumps into a new suit and begins a new physical life.
In this life he is another person, but within himself(intuition) he feels who he are from the core of his beeing.

He lives this life like the other, not knowing anything about spirituality, and only reads about people who are stupid and crazy to belive they have another life after the physical.
He still belives that everything turns black and he is not more after he dies.

Then he dies and gets up to "heaven" again, and boom he recognice himself again, and suddenly he feel that.. "hey i wasnt done yet" and jumps down again.
And he get so sucked up in the feeling that physical life is where the action and fun is.

after some lifetimes he understand that "hey, there is something more about reality than this physical life" because now he has had so many lifes that he begin to recognice, like you do when you suddenly can remember your dreams clearly and focused.

Then he study and practice Lucid Dreaming and get very exited about it an understand that there really is more than physical experience.
And then he jumps onto OBE's and really understand that there is not just the Physical, and there is not even just physical and heaven, there is more than that, more dimensions, eternity.
He understand now, and when he dies he remember when he get to "heaven" that he can experience other things than this heaven that he at so many many times have jumped away from to experience new things. And instead of going into a new physical form he move beyond "heaven".

There may also be that this person may not have come to the real heaven, only the heaven that he believe is heaven, maybe he doesnt know what heaven is.

There may also be that several souls get stuck in a recycle.
Some form of jumping out of the physical and then get to a place that is nice for like 10 "years" and then he dont have anything todo to satisfy himself, and jumps down into the physical suit.
and again and again and again.

And everytime he gets down to the physical, he never really grasp the whole picture because everytime he is in a new physical suit he gets so programmed by people and controlling machines around him that there is no such thing as an afterlife.
Everytime he gets programmed to think like that.

And never ever realize that there is more than this recycle.
In his physical he doesnt belivie in afterlife and in afterlife he only see the physical life as the playground and growth for the soul.