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My (personal, blah ) precognative/intuitive dreams.

ohh, I feel so violated ~_~

quote:Originally posted by MJ-12

I'll go.

The great void of unmanifest existence is real.

Everything else, from rocks to people to God, is illusion struggling towards its own creation.

[8D]

Agreed [8D]

O_O new hobby.
I could see benefits to this having a long distance girlfriend and all >_>
OH NO BLACK MAGIC >_<

If I'm not mistaken, black magic is the act of using occult powers (telepathy, PK, astral projection, clairvoyance, etcetcetc) for selfish or trivial ends and as an advantage over normal humans.
I'm unsure what the karmic results of stuff like that would be

But I think maybe I'll try anyway >_<

I'm sure if the intention is pure and not trivial spying or violation of privacy it would be okay.

Well, everyone's path is their own. Your path is inevitably affected and influenced by those around you and those whom you associate with. However, there's no way to throw off your path, since it's yours no matter how it may change or develop. It's all just part of everything.

Destructive and negative world views? Well, I dunno. Yet again, everyone has their own path. Everyone has their own burdens and their own philosophies based on their life their realizations therein. It's just part of the interaction of others and the crossing/mixing of said paths.

Meh, I have no clue what I'm talking about.
Good luck.

quote:Originally posted by jc84corvette

It would not be my place to argue about Budah, I do not know anything about that Buddism.

all I know is I will only belive in one, and that is Jesus.

Ugh, sorry to single you out, but that's such a ridiculous thing to say. That's called blindly following something. If you've never fully explored and conceptualized any other religions or belief systems, how can you possibly claim that you know one to be true???
That's like saying your favorite color is blue and you'll never change that, when you've never seen any other color.

This is why we shouldn't either be taught christianity in private schools or atheism in public schools these days. We should be taught about all belief systems, so that people would stop being so ignorant about not only their own beliefs but those of others. Only after you've seen every facet of the crystal can you begin to comprehend the whole of it.

/soapbox

whoa, I'll have to try going superconscious on super mario world.

Wish I could be with the person I love :
OH NO SAPPY MOMENT

ah, you're 13. You'll make theories, you'll think about them, you'll reform them, you'll learn new things, you'll make new theories, etc etc. Before I was introduced to Theosophy I had my own makeshift ideas about the universe and god. Later, I learned different things and nowadays I think it's kind of ignorant to form baseless concepts and dogmas out of only what I have figured out. Instead, I like to take root in pure existing doctrine and work from there up, and try not to corrupt it by my obvious inexperience and misknowledge. Not that I don't try to figure things out by myself, but I admit that there are people and writings that have thought about it a lot more and come to a lot more refined conclusions than I have and possibly ever will.
So.. ya. Never stop questioning and pondering, or something inspirational sounding like that.

As an interesting side note.. I just read this while checking out ellie's India section.

quote:The idea of the messiah came to the western religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam from the Zoroastrian religion of ancient Persia.

quote:Originally posted by no_leaf_clover

The statements you refer to are made by a few people who actualy belief Jesus was God. So.. what about the other ones? Whether or not who or what you think Jesus was or wasn't, there is the fact that the Jewish Prophets did not predict a 'messiah' like Jesus.

No, those were words from people who have found that the idea of Jesus being the son of god or the incarnation of god is a falsification or at the very least a misinterpretation.

I think it relates to the incorrect idea that Jesus was the Messiah, since not only was he not the messiah as predicted, but he didn't even say that he was to begin with. Just throwing more evidence out.

I had a little more to add, but didn't feel like editing it into my post and thus left it go. Perhaps it's a bit more directly on topic.

quote:James does not even call Jesus Messiah, in the sense given to the title by the Christians, but alludes to the kabalistic "King Messiah," who is Lord of Sabaoth* (v. 4), and repeats several times that the "Lord" will come, but identifies the latter nowhere with Jesus. "Be patient, therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord . . . be patient, for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh" (v. 7, . And he adds: "Take, my brethren, the prophet (Jesus) who has spoken in the name of the Lord for an example of suffering, affliction, and of patience." Though in the present version the word "prophet" stands in the plural, yet this is a deliberate falsification of the original, the purpose of which is too evident.

quote:It is a most suggestive fact that there is not a word in the so-called sacred Scriptures to show that Jesus was actually regarded as a God by his disciples. Neither before nor after his death did they pay him divine honors. Their relation to him was only that of disciples and "master"; by which name they addressed him, as the followers of Pythagoras and Plato addressed their respective masters before them. Whatever words may have been put into the mouths of Jesus, Peter, John, Paul, and others, there is not a single act of adoration recorded on their part, nor did Jesus himself ever declare his identity with his Father. He accused the Pharisees of stoning their prophets, not of deicide. He termed himself the son of God, but took care to assert repeatedly that they were all the children of God, who was the Heavenly Father of all. In preaching this, he but repeated a doctrine taught ages earlier by Hermes, Plato, and other philosophers. Strange contradiction! Jesus, whom we are asked to worship as the one living God, is found, immediately after his Resurrection, saying to Mary Magdalene: "I am not yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God!" (John xx. 17.)

Does this look like identifying himself with his Father? "My Father and your Father, my God and your God," implies, on his part, a desire to be considered on a perfect equality with his brethren -- nothing more.

http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/isis/iu2-00-c.htm#contents

doobedo...

I was in eastern PA, but I didn't get hit

...
While my dad's girlfriend was driving me to work today, she was talking about how in the last few weeks she's been unusually and incredibly drained and tired for no reason.
Reminded me of this thread.

General consensus seems to be that something.. is going to happen towards the end of the month/early september. Nobody seems to be quite sure what though.
Sounds exciting, but I hope I don't eat my words there.

DOB: 11/08/86
In short, 16.

Occultism is merely the study and practice of the latent powers in man. That makes astral projection, psychokenesis, everything that we do occult practices. I'm not too sure where or when occultism became tangled with black magic and dark practices.


THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEOSOPHY AND OCCULTISM.
ENQUIRER. You speak of Theosophy and Occultism; are they identical?

THEOSOPHIST. By no means. A man may be a very good Theosophist indeed, whether in or outside of the Society, without being in any way an Occultist. But no one can be a true Occultist without being a real Theosophist; otherwise he is simply a black magician, whether conscious or unconscious.

ENQUIRER. What do you mean?

THEOSOPHIST. I have said already that a true Theosophist must put in practice the loftiest moral ideal, must strive to realize his unity with the whole of humanity, and work ceaselessly for others. Now, if an Occultist does not do all this, he must act selfishly for his own personal benefit; and if he has acquired more practical power than other ordinary men, he becomes forthwith a far more dangerous enemy to the world and those around him than the average mortal. This is clear.

ENQUIRER. Then is an Occultist simply a man who possesses more power than other people?

THEOSOPHIST. Far more -- if he is a practical and really learned Occultist, and not one only in name. Occult sciences are not, as described in Encyclopaedias, "those imaginary sciences of the Middle Ages which related to the supposed action or influence of Occult qualities or supernatural powers, as alchemy, magic, necromancy, and astrology," for they are real, actual, and very dangerous sciences. They teach the secret potency of things in Nature, developing and cultivating the hidden powers "latent in man," thus giving him tremendous advantages over more ignorant mortals. Hypnotism, now become so common and a subject of serious scientific inquiry, is a good instance in point. Hypnotic power has been discovered almost by accident, the way to it having been prepared by mesmerism; and now an able hypnotizer can do almost anything with it, from forcing a man, unconsciously to himself, to play the fool, to making him commit a crime -- often by proxy for the hypnotizer, and for the benefit of the latter. Is not this a terrible power if left in the hands of unscrupulous persons? And please to remember that this is only one of the minor branches of Occultism.

ENQUIRER. But are not all these Occult sciences, magic, and sorcery, considered by the most cultured and learned people as relics of ancient ignorance and superstition?

THEOSOPHIST. Let me remind you that this remark of yours cuts both ways. The "most cultured and learned" among you regard also Christianity and every other religion as a relic of ignorance and superstition. People begin to believe now, at any rate, in hypnotism, and some -- even of the most cultured -- in Theosophy and phenomena. But who among them, except preachers and blind fanatics, will confess to a belief in Biblical miracles? And this is where the point of difference comes in. There are very good and pure Theosophists who may believe in the supernatural, divine miracles included, but no Occultist will do so. For an Occultist practises scientific Theosophy, based on accurate knowledge of Nature's secret workings; but a Theosophist, practising the powers called abnormal, minus the light of Occultism, will simply tend toward a dangerous form of mediumship, because, although holding to Theosophy and its highest conceivable code of ethics, he practises it in the dark, on sincere but blind faith. Anyone, Theosophist or Spiritualist, who attempts to cultivate one of the branches of Occult science -- e.g., Hypnotism, Mesmerism, or even the secrets of producing physical phenomena, etc. -- without the knowledge of the philosophic rationale of those powers, is like a rudderless boat launched on a stormy ocean.


From The Key to Theosophy

quote:Originally posted by beavis

Tell them "you're going to hell because you dont believe in astral projection". That seems to work for them. They do it so much. They should be embarrassed for being closed minded, not you.

ugh, last year I was interviewed at school by a psychological counselor, without my knowing or warning. You can imagine how happy I was when I found that the first reason on the list was because I 'believed I could mystically astral project'. Followed by a bunch of weird accusations about cults and all sorts of crap that I have absolutely no freaking clue where came from.

It turns out, my mom had gone to talk to the student counselor about my grades (OMG, I GOT A C, THERE MUST BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH ME) and happened to mention something about astral projection (which I don't know why she would be talking about something she knows nothing of). The counselor's response was something like "Oh, we've dealt with that sort of thing before".

If nothing else, that experience taught me what utter fools your average american conservative christian or phenomenalistic atheist are. In fact, I wound up writing a term paper on the subject of ignorance in the west towards eastern ideas.

So.. yeah... you learn the hard way that people are complete idiots and are not ready to face up to things that are beyond their narrow blanket world with it's structure and it's blind ignorance.

Settle down, I'm just being difficult because I'm persuaded to buy into it myself. You put up a good argument. A lot of the proofs of nibiru could be interpreted as metaphors though, instead of literal physical happenings, so it's really a tough call. I think I'll just wait around for it to come and prove that it exists :/
C'mon, I've said before, something like that would be damn cool if it did exist.

quote:And im not just talking about the new people on the forums who are being jerks.

I openly recognize the fact that at times, I am indeed, an butt :<
Just wanted to get that disclaimer out of the way :\

quote:Originally posted by no_leaf_clover

Many of the Bible's oldest tales draw origins from ancient Sumeria, and were passed down through the generations through many different ways, including written documents and at times by simply word of mouth. That was a good long while for those stories to be passed down, leaving plenty of room for many edits and changes by many, many different people. So up until the time of Jesus the Bible had already been tampered with and edited many times since the original forms of the stories (though the original forms of many of the tales were polytheistic in their Sumerian versions).

Then Jesus pops up. Jesus never claims to be the messiah from what I understand, and when he taught his pupils, he used symbolism. The church, however, took the things Jesus said literally. When Jesus's brother tried to explain to the other cult members (as the Christian Church was a cult back then) that Jesus was simply being symbolic in many things that he said, such as the statement that he was the son of God (when really he meant everyone is the son or daughter of God), they took Jesus's brother out of the picture to make it easier for themselves. Around 350 AD, the church had a meeting to basically decide (by vote) what Jesus did and did not teach or mean.

very well said. Sounds like you read Isis Unveiled.
The nibiru stuff is crap of course

fred: lol

quote:Originally posted by Varner-LaPrade

i will have to say this hurtle for the human race will be our encounter with the Anunnaki.

you'll get along with no_leaf_clover


Tayesin, I wanted to post it in your other topic (about flooding and heading for the hills) a little while ago, but IE froze and I didn't bother re-typing. The other night I had another apocalyptic dream (in addition to 3 a year ago). Though this time it wasn't the world ending. All I know is I was in some cave and it suddenly became flooded with water, torrential rains and flooding swept over everything. However, instead of destroying everything like that sort of flood would do, people seemed to instead assimilate with the water.. I believe as a metaphor to reducing density of physical matter. When I came out of the cavern, I was outside of the city I live in, which itself looked very renound and.. not futuristic persay, but advanced. It was kind of cool.

Who knows. I sure wouldn't mind seeing the world turned over, it would be interesting anyway.

want: ya, I'm sure he shot straight up to the seventh plane and became part of universal consciousness. If he was talking to some distinct being, it wasn't god. In that case, he was most likely on the astral. I can't imagine anyone in the world today would be on a high enough vibe to bypass all 5 other planes, or even just the astral. However, remember that in the astral, you see what you want to see. You experience what you think. If he thought it was god, then that's what he got. His experience was probably heavily influenced by his own preconcieved notions on the afterlife and "god". So dun worry about it :\

Wut the
I'd go back to the store and get my money back if I were you :\

oh man, I can't tell you how much I would love to have that happen to me, just because it would be so funny to start preaching blavatsky to them or something.

lol
have fun []
I oughta take a 2 week break from the internet. I might actually do something productive

You're absolutely right. I was introduced to the whole phenomenon by a friend only about a year ago. Since then, my devotion has been sporadic. My mentor (the friend) was a very rigid, the only way is total devotion type, which probably put me off to it a bit, since it's a huge change to just totally switch off to the physical after 16 years of living in it. Aside from that, when I first attepted I was just slightly skeptical, which no doubt affected my success (well, lack of anyway). After trying for more than a week or two at a time I usually get lazy and fat and just say "damn, I can't do it yet" and give up. I keep telling myself I could definitely project if I really tried hard, and I guess I could. I've just been putting that off due to life, fears, whatever. It's horrible, I hate it, but this is what I get for being lazy [xx(]