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quote:Originally posted by Nay

I will start working harder on this..  Just need to make sure that the Facts..well, are the fact..[]

I'm not sure what you mean here, what kind of facts are there in metaphysics? Anyway i'll be interested in the FAQ. Do members get to contribute or is it site admin etc?

quote:Originally posted by tombodenmann

 Try to get completly lucid by touching the ground, looking at your hands and mentaly repeating that you are in a dream.

Yeah and you might want to do that while awake too... []

quote:Originally posted by Tisha
Not all magical practitioners believe in "an ye harm none."  The Italian Strega feel that you may "do as thou wilt" as long as you take responsibility for it.  It sounds selfish on the surface, but if you think about it long enough, it's a more realistic way of looking at things.  I'm not a Strega; I just wanted to pass on the info!

Hmmm, don't know much about these Strega folks but my guess is they are a recent order that borrowed stuff from other traditions. Got any decent links on them?

Also the quote "Do as Thou Wilt" is from the book Liber Al by Crowley and used by his followers of "Thelema" ("Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"). It does not mean "do what you want." The basics of it is that you should strive to find your "True Will" (i.e. God's Will, your Higher Self's Will, etc) and do that so you are in harmony with the Cosmos kinda thingy.

Even Franz Bardon uses that phrase in his "Initiation into Hermetics".

quote:Originally posted by Ensoñador

I´v been experiencing lucid dreams 3 days a week, but only for fife seconds ,or so, being really conscious. It is more easy to me to OBE than to LD.  I can only make OBE in real time zone though....

I have two questions: How can I have a high level projection? I always find myselef out of my body but some friend told me I shoould not try to be in the real time zone for its a low level plane. I ve stoped my practises since then, cause Im trapped in that dimension and cant go any further.

I don't think its what can be called a "low level plane" but as Robert says like a buffer zone between the Physical and Astral. You could try various methods to get into an Astral area from that zone. Try spinning around really fast until everything seems blurred might work. Or float into a mirror or painting or photograph. Or even better you could construct your own Astral "personal space/temple" using visualization over a period of time (you can have trees, fields, temples, etc) then once you are OOBE just imagine/will yourself into that place by visualizing it (maybe spinning around at the same time) you used to construct with your imagination. Have you looked at this forum http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=43  ?

Shamans also use other techniques such as visualizing climbing a ladder or tree for the "Upper World" or going into a cave or hole in the earth to enter the "Lower World" to contact their power animals.

Hi Roxy,
       next time you are Projecting, do what Robert did in this following article and ask for your sword. And let us know what happens!!

http://www.astralpulse.com/articles/robert/articles_8.htm

quote:Originally posted by Soulfire

I think we have a tendency to believe non-physical beings are so completely different (and thus of course much more dangerous) than ourselves,

I think that this is the exact opposite in the New Age movement, especially those just starting out on their path seeking spiritual answers etc. Rather than believing non-physical beings may be "dangerous" as you put it, there is the tendency to believe anything any non-physical being says.

This is because of the general belief that if its a spirit it must be from "Heaven" and/or more highly advanced than ourselves. Or maybe even an angel, or two. I would hazard a guess that not many even consider what kind of "non-physical" being it is because of the "glamour" of actually contacting a non-physical being. At least that is what happened to me and it seems to be what happens generally from the research i have done. I was so awestruck when i made my first contact with a spirit i didnt even for a second consider it may be in any way bad. It has that "WOW!" factor to it.

Unfortunately, some of the lower astral types know this and use that "WOW!" factor to decieve many. I'm not saying this happens *all of the time* and/or all spirits are bad. But that it does happen, and ive been through it myself. And because i have been through that kind of deception (and torture), and also have been mind-to-mind with a few demons, i know how they work more than anyone who hasnt had that experience. And i say that not to make myself look more knowledgable as in "Oh i know more than you or him or blah blah", but because its simply the truth. This is why i say that trying to contact spirits via the Quija board or the Pendulum (which is no different regardless what anyone says. Also *note) or opening yourself up for chanelling its extremely dangerous unless you know what you are doing and at least know some basic Psychic Self-Defense *just in case*. If you accidentily open up to a neg, just telling it to go will rarely work depending what type of neg it is.

In the Occult community experienced magicians do make contact with spirits. But they also make sure they are within a protected magic circle first.

*note: The pendulum is a great tool for divination etc but associating its movement to an "outside of oneself" entity rather than to your subconscious or a higher part of yourself is a dangerous practice.

quote:Originally posted by Kerrblur

So mustardSeed, what is it you going to do, Have you read my Posts here? you gonna dropp this thing, cause your Idea for a God's Office thing is pretty neat, infact I Had high intentions on going there myself.

I also agree that it is a great idea. In fact i had thought of building a similar "Healing Place" like AP Island about a week ago, although with certain differences to yours (not trying to steal your idea MS but what i say is true). Its just that disobedience=no healing thing that got me. So you do it your way MS and ill stay out the way.

quote:Originally posted by Mustardseed

Dear McArthur
I suggest we just make peace. As I said I have nothing against you or your faith or belief. I also do not have a problem with your Bible quote but felt it was in order to draw your attention to the fact that when you quote the Bible it is important you realise what and why you quote it.

I must admit I feel a bit saddned by the whole thing. I never sought agression but I must admit that I am a agressive person. My intention were to create something and try to help someone. In the process I have upset someone. I dont think we see eye to eye on many things but I respect your opinion.[].

As I said to other people before you. If I have offended you I am truly sorry, I do that from time to time, unintentionally. It is my desire that we stay civil and respectful of each other, and make the best of it. If you feel I preach and am condesending, bear with me.

I intend no harm, honestly

Regards Mustardseed

You have a good heart Mustardseed. With a couple of alterations i could just copy that post back to you. I intend no harm either but sometimes i get a bit too passionate. Peace it is. []

I would just like to say here that i feel that Mayatnik is sincere in the things he does and is passionate about what he feels his calling. And i realize that some of my posts have indeed been confrontatinal. I have certain reasons for that i won't go into but i hold no bad feelings towards you personally Mayatnik. Therefore i will now publically apologize to you (if you read this) for any words of mine that may have hurt you and hope your path leads you where you wish to be. Safe travels and be well.




http://www.andiesisle.com/Blessings.html

[quoting me]

quote:Originally posted by Mustardseed

First off let me start with you sig file. I am fully aware that you include this in all your posts, however since you do exactly that , I and others , naturally assume that this is a statement you want to draw attention to. Hence the statement becomes part of every post you write, it is in a way, part of what you are or part of what you seem to say you believe.

you said "(such as Fx. quoting me 1 Timothy 4:1-2,)"

My sig is removed. I have nothing further to say.

edit: I changed my mind. I just wanted you to know what inspired me to put that bible quote into my sig file. It was after reading some of your "chanellings" of God about the Zetas in your "Chanelling God" thread that i chose to add it. So i find it sadly ironic that it would be you who would criticize my usage of a verse from the Bible in my sig file.

OK, now i'm done. Preach away if you like.

Fine, whatever. Just remember that when one person walks away from a healing session with a broken heart thinking that God does not love them because they have done something wrong or are undeserving of Gods grace (and that is why they were not healed) and then enter a crisis of faith. It was this bulldog who spoke up for that person. I'm not sure what you think i "hate" because i feel no hatred when i post whatsoever. Can my first post in this thread really be classified as an "attack"?

[your neg friends]

quote:Originally posted by MAYATNIK

To illustrate what I mean, in this communication gap that you are widening, I will quote you below:

McArthur writes:
But what i really think is, your neg friends have clicked on that they have been being monitered for some time now on here and have decided to "cut and run" with what new naive cult members they have managed to glean from these forums so far

I have used emphasis on certain phrases to draw members' attention to these.  Becasuse writing such things as being 'fact' – which are purely assumptions of yours – are not only misleading to members who may assume you have facts to back these up which you do not, but they are seeking to demean my character, and in the case of the word I have highlighted in red particular, is a libelous statement for which you could be prosecuted for character assassination

M'Learned friend has told me that the words you were looking for are "Defamation of Character" and you are right that if that is the case i  could be taken to court by those whose character i might be defaming (Of course we won't mention the remarks of yours comparing me or others to Nazi's or KKK etc.)

But M'Learned friend has asked me to point out to you that from the quote you make of mine the only persons' characters whose character i may have defamed are, in fact, the Zetas. Read it again. Yes i say they are your "friends" but it is the Zetas who i say are building a Cult (and the Zeta phenomena passes about 10 out of the 12 criteria in order to be classed as a Cult- i'm talking the Zetatalk.com here which you claim to channel the same beings thus aligning yourself with the zetatlk.com Cult).

So if your friendly Zetas have a decent Lawyer i hope to see them all in court. []

quote:
and by extension, which is clearly your aim, the stopping of our attempts to simply present <information> that anyone can read and examine and reject if they so wish and that anyone should have the freedom to accept or reject without interference from intolerant individuals.

Nonsense. Nowhere have i demanded you stop posting or even hinted at such a thing. You are making things up in your head as you go along. Yes i am asking questions and being skeptical (which you lable as "attacking" and/or "being negative"). It is not surprising though to be  accused of attacking a person who claims to have had 5 assassination attempts against him by the British Secret Service (i.e MI5). Any fool knows it is MI6 in charge with assassinations. []

quote:
The only 'negs' we have ever been in contact with are those that post attacks on the forum.  Being negative is one thing, but attacking is the hallmark of the 'neg', and we have suffered many such attacks from 'negs'.

One of the hallmarks of a Cult is the use of psychological tricks in order to get their members not to ask too many questions. What you are doing here (or attempting to do) is associate my questioning the type of beings you are in contact with, and the veracity of the information provided, as somehow "negative." So anyone who doesnt want to be tarnished as a negative person had best stop asking "attacking" questions. Because asking questions means you are "attacking" and being "negative."

Yes, yes, i know you have said we shouldn't just believe you (and i sure don't) and ask many questions. But that is what makes it even more clever you see.

quote:
So, my point is – Will you let members use their own minds and not yours?!

This is a clever little sentence that i thought worth commenting on. Your sentence implies that i am somehow stopping members from using their own minds. I think its fairly obvious that all i am doing is posting my own thoughts and am neither inviting nor inciting other members to agree or disagree with me. Point to one post of mine where i could possibly be stopping members using their own minds.

quote:
It is not constructive to 'questiion' its validity, since you cannot prove it is not valid.

That's a great sentence. I love that sentence. I may use it in my sig file if thats ok with you?

quote:
You simply do not know what the source is, and cannot know.

Oh wait a second here. You claim to "Know" what the source is so why can't i? Am i not special enough? And besides, i have a pretty good idea of what the source is, but you already know my opinion and don't like it.

quote:
 This, surely (and that is why they are here on the forum) is worth examining and thinking about, in order to look at things differently.   But No!  That is precluded, because they are 'aliens', and are therefore 'neg's and are therefore trying to lead us up the garden path in subtle ways, etc. etc.

Well actually i have nothing against Aliens whatsoever if they are benevolent. My actual view here is that what you are in contact with are not Aliens but lower-astral entities pretending to be Aliens. That is my view and i'm sure you will agree i am entitled to express my views am i not?

quote:
 But to simply attack like that, and especially with only an 'assumption' that is based on your own prejudice or 'blind belief' is nothing short of Klu-Klux Klan mentality.  We have largely now gone through the phase in the world of "nigger lover" bashing, and now it is "Alien lover" time, is it?  Think about it.

Yes i thought about it. You just attacked me and are attempting to "ATTACK" and defame my character as some kind of racist bigot. But because i'm a forgiving kind of chap that doesnt hold grudges, i will overlook it.

quote:
Add to what is being sought to bring to the forums, not to ban it from open discussion.

Yet again i am having to comment on your cleverly and deceptively insterted sentences to defend myself against your ATTACKS on my personal integrity. Your above sentence implies that i am seeking to "ban it from open discussion." Nowhere, and i repeat, *nowhere*, have i said this. Yet another attempt by you to attack and demean my character in subtle ways.

quote:
 And consider the <information> for its content.  The Zeta are presenting ideas to think about and to discuss.

Oh i have done so and have a growing file of inconsistencies and disinformation on what the Zetas say. I recently read a channeling you did with your guide (i can find the link to it if required) where you go into detail about the "Photon Band" and even include a nice diagram. Well here is some alternative <information> that might interest you. Is your guide lying or just mistaken? Either way it would seem this "Photon Band" is a big part of the <information> you are providing. But, alas, its a hoax.

http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Disinformation.html

http://www.salemctr.com/photon/center5d.html

quote:
It simply wastes effort by being negative and seeking to obstruct, even worse by intimidatory attacks

Ok show me where i use "intimidatory attacks". Back up your accusations with quotes.

quote:
I do not want you to take personally anything I have written here.  Nothing I say is 'personal' except in addressing the issues a particular person may raise

And that's a great "get-out clause". But it doesn't wash with me sunshine because of the constant negative associations you have made to me such as KKK or "Nigger loving" attitudes or trying to ban posts or somehow stopping members from thinking for themselves. No, of course none of what you said was personal was it? Here's an example of what you just did but i will do it in reverse order so its easier to spot it.
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Now i don't want you to take this personally and what i am about to say is in no way meant to tarnish your good character whatsoever, but:   You are acting like a petty and paranoid Dictator with an ego so large im surprised there's a house big enough to fit it all in.
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Get my meaning? Of course, i was only using that as an example and dont really believe what i just said and hope you dont take it personally for it was not meant as such.

quote:
that is censorship and right-wing Hitler type jack-boot propaganda and 'lynch-mob policing' to control and limit freedom of speech.  

oops, did you just insult me again? Or who exactly were you referring to if you don't want me to take it personally? It's ok though, i forgive you because i understand why you are upset. And its none of the reasons given so far.

quote:
and I do not attack people or denounce them.

Oh man the hypocrisy of that statement! Not only did you attack me and denounce me (or others) in this post of yours but you are continuing to do so in many of your posts on those other Forums you have moved back to!

quote:
 If people attack what I am doing, rather than examining its content...

The content has and still is being examined but it seems you don't like people criticizing it.

This is the internet. You are living in cloud cookoo land if you think you're never going to get your work criticized by random faces behind a monitor screen. Like any good actor in Gods grand play one needs to learn to take a little criticism every so often.

Barman! Pour me a Gin and Tonic! I've finished my friendly chat with the primaddona and it looks like the show will not go on after all! Send in the clowns to keep the customers happy!

"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out." - Bill Hicks

"I'm gonna share with you a vision that I had, cause I love you. And you feel it. You know all that money we spend on nuclear weapons and defense each year, trillions of dollars, correct? Instead -- just play with this -- if we spent that money feeding and clothing the poor of the world -- and it would pay for it many times over, not one human being excluded -- we can explore space together, both inner and outer, forever in peace. Thank you very much. You've been great, I hope you enjoyed it." - Bill Hicks

[]

[mistrust of all that would seem to challenge the beliefs of Robert Bruce's teachings.]

http://www.spiritualoracle.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2452


Mayatnik says:

"The site that, on the wishes of our guides, we were channelling on was controlled by a large majority following of Robert Bruce the writer of 'Psychic Defence' and other books, and Bruce was the founder of the that site, the Astral Pulse. There was massive, rampant negativity on that site and fear underlined everything in the way that members thought there, fear of 'negs', fear of 'spirits' in general, mistrust of all that would seem to challenge the beliefs of Robert Bruce's teachings. So, it became obvious to us that those attacks would continue unabated – and for that reason our guides told us that channelling was to be withdrawn from that site. There was no more we could do there, since our guides' message of Love was not being listened to. Channeling is for <information>, not to be 'believed' but to be openly and positively discussed to gain a higher perception of the reality of things. When minds are closed then there can be no growth. So, it was that we were brought to this site here, the Spiritual Oracle."
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Well i for one mistrust entities that lie and give out disinformation and false prophecies. I've been reading that site and almost every post is putting down the Astral Pulse because of its "negativity".

But it also seems from what i have read that over on those boards there are also some that may get tarnished with that same brush for they seem to be asking hard questions also.

quote:Originally posted by Mustardseed
In my opinion, you and others are

Cant get that beam out of your eye eh?

quote:
so full of new age babble, not committal, no absolute attitudes that any attempt to even bring up the notion that God has likes and dislikes, that right and wrong exist and that it healing is a reward for pleasing God,

I could hear God replying;

I perform healings when and if the situation calls for it. I do it, not because that person has done something to please me, but because it pleases me to heal.

quote:
I Channel as I said earlier, from MY beliefsystem, I channel a God that I see in the BIBLE, and His Son Jesus , who sits at the right hand of God. But it seems you can't handle that......can you[].

Ask God that question about me and see what he says and post it here please if you will?

quote:
I never said His LOVE was conditional, however "HE" said His blessings are,

Jesus even did healings for the Roman centurion, one of the enemies of Gods' chosen people as an example that Gods Love and blessings/healings *are* unconditional.

quote:
and I believe that to be true. There is a difference...... How can you have and keep the blessing of, fx. good health, while at the same time engage in unhealthy practices. God still loves you and me and everyone else unconditionally, but just becourse he loves us it does not mean that he has to love everything we do.

Hate the sin not the sinner, true. Is there any instance in the Bible where Jesus turns anyone away that came to him from being healed? I can go to a Reiki healer tomorrow and they will offer me healing without judgement. Does this mean then that they offer their healing energy more unconditionally than your god?

quote:
I believe you are decieved and have departed from the faith, have been seduced to speak and believe doctrines of darkness, lies and hypocracy, condemning others for the very things you are guilty of,

What is it i am guilty of?

quote:
(such as Fx. quoting me 1 Timothy 4:1-2,) somehow hinting that this is truth but at the same time posting as above, is it your consiousness that is being seared with a hot iron?.

FYI that is in my sig file and is on the end of all of my posts. You're seeing things that are not there Mustardseed as regards to you thinking i'm quoting bible verses at you specifically. And this is a perfect example of how God can show people lessons they may need to learn.

FWIW i have enjoyed most of your Channeling God thread and said so. But now i make a couple of observations and share my opinion you dont like it? I apologize if my post came across as somehow harsh but will continue to post my thoughts, even if they clash with other peoples.

quote:Originally posted by Mustardseed
In order for you to find out whether your disability depression or whatever we choose to call it is spiritually or physical, it is important that you be honest , WITH YOURSELF, you are the one this hinges on, becourse as you very well know God cannot bless disobedience.

Inserting Dogma into a healing situation isn't going to help matters. It may also lead those who dont get healed to believe they have done something wrong against God which may lead to further complications such as guilt-complex, crisis of faith etc. I've seen human healers handle this better than your god so far.

quote:
If you yourself know that you are breaking any of my spiritual or physical health guidelines, you cannot have faith to recieve healing, you will in effect have become your own worst enemy.

More Dogma = obstacle to true healing. You are suggesting here that God's love is conditional rather than unconditional. Even on our earthly plain many Atheists who dont follow Gods rules are given healing by human doctors in hospitals. People who get illnesses due to smoking tobacco are warned of the potential to get these illnesses. But they dont get turned away at the hospital if they do become ill.

I thought your god was cool for a while but he's lost points with me (and im sure he doesnt care anyway.)

Here's a question: Can Michael come and remove this neg i have attached and will he? If not, why not?

quote:Originally posted by Oazaki

Lucifer does exist,

Probably so as a thoughtform that has evolved quite a bit since the translation error in the King James version of the Hebrew bible. But try and ask any Jewish Rabbi if there is a being named "Lucifer" in the Tanakh and you'll more than likely get a "no". The original translation error for the term "Son of the morning" "how thou hast fallen" etc was referring to the King of Babylon. Read Isiah if you don't believe me.

The serpent in the garden is not named "Lucifer" neither is the "Devil". The name used is Satan, which means 'adversary'. As someone else in this thread pointed out the name "Lucifer" comes from a minor Roman deity associated with the planet Venus. SO Christianity probably used this name and demonized it as a way of destroying all competing beliefs to it. The same was done with the Celtic god Cernunnus with the stags horns on his head which is where we get the typical Christian image of a Devil with horns (or the Greek god of nature, Pan) etc.

If you wish to base your personaly philosphy around this "Lucifer" thoughtform that came from a translational error of the Hebrew bible by medieval Christians thats fine with me. I just thought i would point these things out. []

http://www.deeptrancenow.com/paradigm.htm

quote:Originally posted by shaman

McArthur, what you wrote in Hebrew is the just the name Rafael.

Well i know you meant well but you just actually ruined the test i was giving to the entity claiming to be Arch Angel Michael....

quote:Originally posted by SpectralDragon
SD: There was a question about your responsibilities as an archangel.
M: I am going to make this cryptic simply for the fact that spiritual answers and general spirituality require deep understanding. In order to understand you need to think. In order to think you must have interest. In order to have interest you have to have a part of me, and in order to have a part of me you have to be a part of me as well. In order to understand me you have to be me, and I am parts of what is around you and parts of what make up your thoughts and forms of your thoughts.

I really like that reply.

quote:
those names you listed are simply names cultures associate me with. Unless you are a part of that culture then they have no meaning to you.

Yes but as Arch Angel Michael you surely kno those names as they have ben used to invoke you for a long time. It is a test to see if you are what you say you are. And as you say elswhere "guides" should expect them. []

quote:
Suex de lou, but there is no proper pronounciation in this language and the idea behind it is encrypted. The idea is guardianship but there are many other interpretations of it that are true but misunderstood on many different levels.

Is this in answer of what did those symbols mean i posted? What do you mean by "Suex de lou"?

Thanks DS and Michael for answering some of my questions so far.

quote:Originally posted by ralphm

Didn't this jesus dude say say something about whatever i do you could do greater? (if I was a real jesus freak I would have the exact quote)

This one?

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Some of the things Jesus did would be called Psychic abilities today so i see no reason why there cant be psychic Christians. After all they are natural abilities and gifts from God.

Hi SD, i have some questions for Michael concerning the ancient teachings of both the Jewish and Hermetic Kabbalah about the Angels.

1. What is the difference between these names he is known by: "Mikhael Hdael", "Mikhael Shemshel" and "Mikhael Bniel" with a short explanation if possible.

2. Which group of Angels his he the overseer of? i.e. Chayoth Ha-Qodesh, Erelim, Melekim, Chashmalim, Ashim etc.

3. If he is now the Arch-Angel of Mars what has happened to the Arch-Angel Zamael?

4. What is the name of the Planetary Intelligence he governs?

5. Which Divine Name is he asociated with? i.e. Elohim Gibor, Shaddai El Chai, Adonai Ha Aretz etc?

6. Which aspect of you is SD in contact with and what name is that particular aspect of you known by?

Thanks! []

OK i have just one more question. What does the following mean?

Hi, sorry for the delay in answering but i've been trying to get a contact number for you. The guy who i normally recommend who helped me a few years ago to get rid of 3 beings in my aura (2 human one 'unknown') is named Peter Aziz. The number i have is outdated (1997) but ive just found his website that has a contact address and number. http://www.azizshamanism.com/contact.html

Hi, this kind of experience seems to be fairly common. You may find the following article by Robert Bruce informative as it sounds like a "Dweller on the Threshold" type of experience to me and not something to be overly worried about. []

http://www.astralpulse.com/articles/robert/articles_1.htm

Also read this;
http://www.astralpulse.com/guides/oobe/oobe_8.htm#2

Or get the book "Astral Dynamics".

And;

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/h/hypnagogic_state.html
"Hypnagogic State

The condition which exits between the awake and sleeping states which is characterized by illusions of vision and sound. It was first recognized around 1845 by J. G. F. Baillarger (1809-1890) in France, and W. Griesinger (1817-1869) in Germany.

The state was studied by the scholar and antiquarian Alfred L. F. Maury who named it "illusions hypnagogiques." This condition is distinguished from "hypnopompic visions" which appear the moment that sleep recedes and momentarily persist in the awake state. Both types of illusions are related to the faculty of dreaming; however, hypnagogic illusions may be a precursor to out-of-body experiences. A.G.H."

ANd;

http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/Sleep/sleep_narc_symptoms_4.htm

"4. Sleep-related hallucinations (Hypnagogic or hypnopompic hallucinations)

Hypnagogic or hypnopompic hallucinations are visual, tactile, auditory, or other sensory events, usually brief but occasionally prolonged, that occur at the transition from wakefulness to sleep (hypnagogic) or from sleep to wakefulness (hypnopompic). The affected individual may hear sounds that aren't there and/or see illusions. These visual and auditory illusions are very vivid and may be bizarre or disturbing to the victims.

People report being fully awake and aware but completely paralyzed. Sometimes they see a strange light. Most often there is pervasive fear, sometimes so strong that people are sure they are about to die. Other parts of their hallucination, which may include people, animals, parts of objects, or just shapes, have a mysteriously nightmarish quality.

The hallucinations are quite vivid and specific. People visualize intruders in their bedroom; they see someone coming through the window, they hear footsteps getting closer and closer and they fear they would be murdered in their bed. Some victims see frightening stranger walk in and out of their bedroom.

This phenomenon also can occur in individuals who do not suffer from narcolepsy, particularly in children."

quote:Originally posted by kakkarot
things don't just get all perfect and good and holy once the physical form is left behind.

I agree. But anything looking like a human (unless recently deceased and still with a certain amount of etheric form) in spirit form is going to have to replenish its diminishing etheric form from somewhere eventually. If the spirit hasnt already moved on to the higher spiritual realms after a certain amount of time then how is it attaining the extra etheric energy to maintain an existence in the "Real-time" zone?

quote:Originally posted by Gandalf
After a few sessions noises started to be heard and then the thought form, whom they named 'Philip' began to speak. As the sesssions went on, he grew in power until he was able to do astonishing things like lifting the table up into the air!
One of the most interesting things was that rathr than just being some kind of souless 'energy program' (for want of a better term) which could only fulfil simple tasks, 'Philip' really seesmed to develop his own personality and really seemed to come alive in some way.

A question could be asked here as to whether it was a thoughtform or some being pretending to be "Philip".

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If he did come to life in some way, then what happens when the group is finished with the thought form and no longer call him; since he will no longer receive energy, is it the case that he will fade away into nothingess after a few weeks/months/years? If he is alive in some way, isnt this cruel to bring him to life only for him to fade away?

Unless one knows what one is doing with thoughtforms it can be tricky. Unless you re-absorb the thoughtform back into yourself (made up of your own energy) it can wander around causing all sorts of trouble and end up becoming a parasite/vampire. If it has a certain amount of intelligence programmed into it it will know it needs energy to stay "alive". There is a good example of this kind of situation in Dion Fortunes "Psychic Self-Defense" where she re-absorbes a Wolf-type thoughtform she inadvertantly created.