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Yes, there are looser interpretations out there.

There are several 'fringe' groups but they are badly persecuted in both Sunni and Shia dominated countries. I suspect just asking about them could get you in serious trouble.

I believe the Druze have a LOT to offer but you would have to be born into it in order to be considered for instruction at the Inner Circle levels. (And they are persecuted even in their own traditional homeland -- the expat Druze community in Los Angeles is now bigger than what remains in Lebanon!)

I think you can do a lot with the Sufi exercises (particularly the silent Dhikr practice).

Also, when having naps, how long should you nap for before having the same effect as waking up after five hours sleep at night?

In my experience, a few seconds will usually do the trick.

I would take care to avoid outright lying. Simply present yourself as having questions and the occasional doubt. This is usually acceptable to most families. Aggressive challenges only stir the pot to no productive end when dealing with fundamentalists. Especially when living under the roof of a parent.

Then quietly study the works of Sufi mystics like Jalal ud din Rumi, Shamuz i Tabriz, etc.

What do you mean by evil manifesting in astral realms? I believe there is no evil other than your own fears creating frightening projections. I'd love to hear more about your experiences.

I say it is plainly obvious to the casual observer that "evil exists".

Only those hopelessly lost in deep denial can keep a straight face and claim otherwise.

The entire realm of Duality, i.e. Planet Earth, is the plain and simple existence proof for those with the gumption to simply see, know and objectively confront what is right there in front of them. That is what "duality" *is*! for pete's sake... positive vs negative or good vs evil...

I don't understand how to achieve something by not trying.

wei wu wei?

Yes it is possible to spy on people. But to do so in real time your astral body must contain etheric matter. It will allow you to exist in the buffer zone between the physical and the astral but how long you will stay there depend on how much etheric matter your astral body contain.

Aleangu, have you increased the amount of etheric matter in your astral body?

then I started to question everything
is this how fundementalists will see the truth
or will it work out differently

Fundamentalist is short for Fundamentally Wrong. They will always be wrong.

One big Life Test for those trapped in such a society is how to pretend you have drunk the Kool Aid without sacrificing your own personal Inner exploration of Truth and Reality.

As I uncover more forgotten stuff, things begin to link back to even earlier memories and feelings.

Yes, Stookie, it works like that most of the time for me too.

Ajdin, Meditate.

I think this is a *very* good goal you have chosen.

I do not recommend Scientology at all but in this particular case I also suggest "Self Analysis" (by L R Hubbard)

Get the book.

Do the exercises...

... every day until you finish the whole thing. It could easily take months.
repeat as necessary

Good Luck and Bon Voyage

Established (organised, institutionalised, "state") religion on the one and materialist 'science' on the other side. Both, for their very own (different) reasons, don't like 'raw spirituality' and spiritual ("occult" / metaphysical / "esoteric") practice at all. They deny it, they fight it with everything they have, keeping people in their mind prison in order to control them.

There is no science or religion out there fighting to keep people in their mind prison. There is no TABOO. For those wishing to do the hard Work of pursuing 'raw spirituality', the Path has always been there and free to tread. The really big obstacle has always been FEAR of one's own subconscious and Life in general.

This victim mentality is a very negative state to reside in. The fact is that major religions form in the manner that matches the level of consciousness of the masses. Science progresses to the degree that people can accept the knowledge/power (& subsequent responsibility) that it delivers.

The knowledge needed to progress is easily available nowadays yet the ignorant masses do whatever it takes to hide from knowledge and power (because they are terrified of the concomitant Responsibility).

This constant finger pointing at "organized religion" or the "Elites" is just a neurotic defense mechanism for those who desperately need something to hate in order to take their minds off the fact that they are not doing anything at all to help themselves improve their state of Consciousness.

The Blame Game is a *very* common and very effective sideshow that diverts attention from the real Work on Self that enlightened Souls will pursue.

So I'm just wondering, does our daily activity produce the intensity of the dream state?

In my experience, yes, they are directly connected.
I do not know if "intensity" is the right word though.

Then, in the dark I saw a head, probably it was... Me

Sounds like classic OBE projection. Excellent start.

Question, re: the "Head" and "flashlight"...

Have you spent any serious time studying Hermetic or Rosicrucian type subjects?

You wonder if it is real? Of course it is real, but on an Inner Level that is connected to this physical awareness but not the way so many try to make it.

A more common word for "photons" is "light".

"Light" is just lots of photons.

If we were in a "photon belt" or a 'light belt' there would be no night. At the very least we would be able to look up into the sky at night and see a band of light across the sky that got bigger and brighter every day.

That isn't happening because there is no "photon belt" out there.

If there were we would see it. (because it is light)

We are obviously NOT entering any sort of photon belt.

More imagination? I think he was asking about how to get more "clarity" after the exit. Imagination is an exit technique in and of itself, but once out it is NOT what I would recommend.

These complaints of heaviness and poor vision are very common.

I think it is best to improve awareness and clarity during regular daytime activity in order to improve those conditions in the OBE state. Meditation is a good start. Also short walking meditations. Improve diet and reduce alcohol or any other similar substances that one might be ingesting.

That sort of thing.

I think the real issue is going to be old age and when do we pull the plug?

When I reach the point where I can't feed myself and manage my own daily elimination, etc. I want to just lay down and call it quits. It is astounding how many people will get up every morning and wait for someone to help them get to the bathroom and clean them up afterwards and then spoon feed them something that passes for breakfast and then give them their medicine so they can continue existing in a semi-conscious stupor for another day... nuh-uh... NOT for me.

I hope I am in control enough at some level to manage a massive coronary event or an aneurism or something to just check out at a time that is reasonably convenient for my family.
Modern meds can perpetuate a state of suspended animation for the extremely aged almost indefinitely nowadays. It is a little scary.

It is not possible for photons to form into a "belt" in regular space.

The only possibility of forming into anything remotely resembling a belt would be in approaching a Black Hole. If we were to be approaching photons forming into a belt near a black hole the photons would be the least of our problems.

Humanity's obsession with cataclysmic predictions is insatiable.

During WWI and then again in WWII many Europeans believed that the Rapture was right around the corner. At least they had a pretty good reason to think that. There were a lot of days that were indistinguishable from Armageddon scenarios.

Note: Astronomically speaking, our solar system is moving AWAY from the Pleiades system.

You know what would be interesting?... if astronomers discovered that we were moving toward a Black Hole and in 173,354 years we will get sucked in and be completely annihilated. I wonder if *that* would change the way people behave?

Interstellar magnetic fields exist.

Photon belts do not.

This sounds like bona fide AP but it is hard to say. I had a rash of similar dreams about a month ago where I was dreaming and I knew I was dreaming and I began going OBE from my dream body and it felt a LOT like actual OBE experiences I had... really hard to say... This sort of thing is just something I set aside and figure I will understand better with more experience in the future.

Whaaat naaw dumb, I was told it was real. so the photon belt doesn't actually exist?

No. It does not exist. It is pure fiction.

It does not even rise to the level of pseudo-science.

iv astral project a good few times, but can u meditate on your third eye,and astral project through your third eye,?,

In the Sant Mat Surat Shabd School that is the *only* projection method that is taught, for the most part. Projecting through lower chakras limits the Seeker to lower levels of Consciousness during the projection.

Many projectors can get out but their vision is hugely impaired and they can't move.

The ability to 'separate' does not suddenly convert the projector into Superman.

There are many, many limitations that must be dealt with.

Grats to you all, now do you get a shiny badge ...,?

I am guessing they will be issued armbands.
That is more the style here. 

I think you must move well beyond the astral in order to put a valid "reality index" measurement of any kind on the astral interactions.

Since 99% of APers do not ever manage this level of perception they are lost in a confused mass of theories

But just fyi...

It is ALL "inward"

There is no actual "travel" outward or *projection* to another point in space going on...

It is all 'within'.

To say that 'space' or 'Time' is an illusion is a bit misleading... but the ability to perceive across space is elementary and very doable.

Very few can reach the True Astral and fewer still, beyond that ... so no meaningful discussion of any of it can really take place.

I have been plowing through this Ballabene site.

It is old html and the English translation ranges from excellent to okay...

but overall I am enjoying this site immensely. Good stuff!

Agreed. they are not necessary at all.

I went through a period where I got them at the beginning of each separation and slowly they got softer and eventually faded away, mostly... and then maybe come back a little sometimes... but mostly -- gone now.

Compared to the actual OBE event and experience they are almost nothing.

If you do could you share? i have been wanting to awaken these powers it is said that they are just dormant, anyone can have them.

Natural ability does play into this some. A  5' 4" man may have some talent at basketball but he ain't likely to get a scholarship or play pro NBA even if he is really very good.

Robert Monroe asked the Inspec why he was able to go OBE nearly at will and he was the envy of many who tried but failed so much, yet he couldn't see auras and stuff. The answer was that he could if he wanted to .... Still, he decided to keep working on Consciousness as he had been doing.

I think people would be happier if they picked a HIGH Goal and worked with their natural abilities and focused on the things that Life places before them.