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"I sense a great deal of hate within you"

You're kidding yourself. Oh, but of course I must have a great deal of hatred in me, I am a Satanist [V]

"agree with LOTB. I am not myself Xtaian and choose not to be. But frankly what I would consider demons are scary people. I sense a great deal of hatred within you. Despite how oyu feel, negs only view you as lunch."

The word demon is the classic latin form of the modern latin word Daemon, which is a translation of the word daimon, which is a greek word, refering to an intelligent spirit not as powerful as a god but more powerful then men. In the original jewish texts, the gods worshipped by ancient civilisations were "lords", "idols", or "hairy men". They were said to be fallen angels, they were more powerful then the men who worshipped them but not as powerful as "God". Thus, it was translated as Daimon. The English editions also translated it as devils or fiends. Such "demons" were the gods worshipped by the philistines, Babylonians etc, so gods like baal, ishtar/innana, etc.
If you do not consider yourself to be a Christian, why do you believe in the concept of these so-called evil "demons" and "lucifer"? "Demons" were also meant to be the spirits at work in spirit mediumship, fortune telling, witchcraft, and all forms of spirituality. They were meant to be seductive so they weren't meant to terrorise people or appear to be negative. If you believe so called "Demons" and "lucifer" to be evil beings, then you believe in the Christian concept of demons and lucifer, which means you believe them to be deceptive spirits who are behind all forms of spirituality, magick, paganism and the occult, which means you would abstain from these practices. Someone put it well in the topic "do not invoke lucifer" (or it might have been "a word for the so-called Christians"), Jehova condemns magick because he wants you to put all your energy into praying to him. He does not want you to become powerful or use psychic energy because he and the angels want it ALL to themselves. Killing and death keep release a lot of energy which is what the three main RHP religions (Judaism, Islam, Christianity) cause a lot of. These provide enough souls to feed on after these people die, and it also is leading to the destruction of humanity and is keeping everyone fighting. Occultists who work with angelic beings and Jehova are there to be fed off on the spot.
All of these white lighters, new agers, wiccans, and "high magick" practitioners, are not allowed to practice black magick. One of the most important developments in liberation during medi-evil times was the long bow. It meant a group of knights could not just walk into a town of peasants and rape, pillage and steal whatever they want and torch the whole place. Get it?
Look at my last post on the previous page and you will see what I am talking about when I use the word "Demon", I'm not talking about "negs". A neg can be anything, a base level spirit that's being negative towards someone, a negative thought-form, etc.

"Yahweh was an incorrect, amalgated version created by combining the term Yud-Heh-Vahd-heh (a term refering to the four elements of the divine, the tetra-polar aspect of the universe) with term Adonai (lord). As often happens, the common people conceptualized all of this as anthromorphic gods, while the few priests who were initiated into the secret mysteries knew better."
The god "yaweh/jehova's" name was inserted, replacing the names of many other Gods. "Jehova" is fictitious. The name "Jehova" was stolen from the Roman God "Jove." "The pious Dr. Parkhurst. . . proves, from the authority of Diodorus Siculus, Varro, St. Augustine, etc., that the Iao, Jehova, or ieue, or ie of the Jews was the Jove of the Latins and Etruscans..." "YHWH/IEUE was additionally the Egyptian Sun God Ra: Ra was the father in heaven, who has the title of 'Huhi' the eternal, from which the Hebrews derived the name 'Ihuh.'" "Jewish mystical tradition viewed the original Jehova as an androgyne, his/her name compounded as Jah (jod) and the pre-hebraic name of Eve, Havah, or Hawah, rendered he-vau-he in Hebrew letters. The four letters together made the sacred tetragrammaton, YHWH, the secret name of God..."

This excerpt was taken from Encyclopedia Britannica, 1973 edition, Volume 15, entry "MOLOCH." Page 674:
"The diety to whom child sacrifice was offered was Yaweh, the chief; and for normative Hebrew religion, the only--god of the nation, honored in this connection as "the king." So repulsive was this abnormal practice, largely confined to the apostatizing reigns of Ahaz (II Kings xvi, 3) and Manasseh (II Kings xxi, 6), that the later Hebrews transformed the divine title associated with it into the artificial name Moloch, as though the sacrifices had indeed been offered to a foreign god."

"Satan was more so a symbol of man's temptation and dark side than anything."

Satan is meant to be a hebrew word meaning adversary. It was used to describe many adversaries to the Jews and certain biblical figures. "Lucifer" was the name of a lesser roman god, it was applied to Sammael, supposedly a fallen angel from heaven. He was given the name satan when he became the "dark lord" or whatever you call it. A lot of people argue that there is no one diabolical word called satan, it simply means adversary, it's a typo. This obviously isn't the case considering there are several instances where the word satan is used to describe an adversary in the Hebrew texts, which have been translated, but the being called satan has stayed the same. This is because it's given name was satan, regardless of what the word means. It is also meant to be a real being, not a representation, as you will see if you read what's said about satan the being, particulary in the new testament. He is the ruler of the spiritual world, the "dark lord" behind magick, witchcraft, spirit mediumship, everything to do with the occult.

I HAVE looked inside myself – it was looking inside myself which caused me to come to Satan in the first place. What causes you to believe Lucifer is a liar, a murderer and a betrayer in the first place?
If you think he is so terrible why not look at Jehovah – it is he who demands blood sacrifice. Human and animal sacrifice, cannibalism, vampirism, mass murder. Look at all he has murdered, in the deluge, with his wretched plagues. But can you find a single instance in your trusty buybull where Satan murders anybody? Or actually lies?

I'm sorry – you want me to prove that we are do not consider ourselves worshippers of the "arch-demon sammael"? We don't consider ourselves to be worshippers of Sammael the ex-leader of the seraphim either, but considering you're throwing around kabbalistic names like "sammael" that I should probably tell you that the kabbalistic figure sammael was meant to be the leader of the seraphim.
"you cannot prove anything on those pages"
How does one prove what we say we do on those pages? Can you prove that you "astral project and talk to beings"? Not anymore then I could.
Anyway what do you classify as a "cult" which you've so boldly described the JOS ministries as and how does the JOS fit that criteria?

I think if you take a bit of time to read about on the site, you will see that we certainly do not consider ourselves to be worshippers of the "arch-demon sammael" who was by the way, not an Arch Angel but the leader of the seraphim. For run-down of our beliefs; we do not believe in a supreme, almighty, omnipresent God. We Believe in Satan, obviously, as a real being, which is what distinguishes us from modern or LaVeyan Satanists who are for the most part atheists. We do not believe in Heaven above, hell below. We are not the flip-side of Christianity. We believe Satan and the Demons for that matter, to exist physically, on another planet, which we mostly refer to as hell or Duat. We do not believe "Heaven" to be a metaphysical realm, either. We believe it to be physical domain, another planet, just as hell is. We do not usually refer to it as heaven, we usually refer to it as Nibiru, which is the 12th planet of the solar system, which only passes through orbit once every thousand years, if my memory serves me correctly. It has Gold in its atmosphere which keeps it so warm as it is so far away from the Sun. This initially caused the inhabitants of Nibiru to travel to earth in order to mine gold from Africa. The first nephalim or anunaki to reach earth was Enki, which is Satan. The nephalim/Annunaki who followed were intitially used as miners, but then Enki developed a more efficient worker by mixing annunaki DNA with that of a homo-erectus, forming a homo-sapein. The nephilim and homo-sapiens formed a close bond, eventually the mines were no longer needed, the nephalim were worshipped by the homo-sapiens in ancient civilisations, namedly sumeria/bablyon/akkadin and later on Egypt. The Annunaki gave homo-sapiens the substance to become as Gods. The enemy Gods later flooded the earth, however Enki, in disguise, managed to tell Zusudria what to do in order to keep his family alive. There was huge debate over destroying the human race, the Nephilim who had been living on earth were close to homo-sapiens and wanted them to become as Gods, they did not want to kill them at all, however other Nephilim just wanted to destroy them because the job was done. All of civilisation comes from the inspiration of the Nephilim. Humans obviously survived the flood and civilisation flourished, and there were Nephilim on the earth after the flood. The Nephilim who stood up for humanity were outnumbered and cast out of Nibiru by the enemy in a war. The Hebrews, who worshipped the enemy gods, came out of Africa, and eventually formed a mono-theistic religion which held that the young and arrogant Jehovah is omniscient, omnipresent, all-seeing, all-knowing almighty God, which is a downright lie. Christianity obviously developed much further down the line, and much of the libraries, information and monument to the old gods were sacked, pillaged and burnt in an effort to destroy all ties with them. They were degraded as "devils and demons".  There are literally billions of beings that make up the enemy; Gods, "angels", also reptilians and Grays are allied.
A subject of criticism with the Joy of Satan has been the connection with Zechariah Sitchin, who is notorisuly criticised as being a terrible scholar. Zechariah Sitchin is not 100% correct and we do not claim he is, there are a lot of problems with his work. The above mentioned stuff about the flood, the mining, nibiru etc is taken from Sumerian mythology, and Sitchin has an extra-terrestrial god theory surrounding this. However, we list Sitchin as reference material and recommended reading, high priestess Maxine, the founder of JOS ministries, did not read Sitchin's work and think "hey, I am going to make a religion out of this". The tenants of the JOS evolved out of Maxine's contact and interaction with Satan and the Demons, which is where all the information primarily comes from, Sitchin just comes reasonably close to the truth. As you quoted spectral dragon, Satan respects free choice and individuality, he does not force himself on anybody (even though I may seem a little pushy and forthright at times, obviously I am not Satan). We come to Satan out of free choice, and initially because we can relate to his cause and feel love for Satan and a true connection with him. We do not come to him with out indoctrination or fear. As Satanists we work hard in developing ourselves spiritually and developing the power of the mind. We do summon Demons and our method of Demonic summoning is detailed on the sight. We use the Goetia as a list of the Demons or the Gods, but we do not use the spiritually abusive methods of the lesser/greater key of Solomon with nine-foot protective circles and using enemy god names. Treat demons with respect and reverence, particularly in the early days. Our Goetia is slightly different to the lesser/greater key of Solomon. Maxine and other hp's have worked hard at perfecting it, communicating personally and directly with the demons to find out the correct information and have successfully freed ALL of the Demons from the curses of the Enemy gods, and now that they are liberated it is advised that if you do use the spiritually abusive methods of the lesser/greater key of Solomon, there is effectively nothing stopping them from breaking down the barrier and killing you. They are extremely powerful and could accidentally kill you from must appearing to you. A physical, full body apparition would, for a normal person, throw you back to a wall, a Demon could burn a person's skin back to their bone with their bioelectricity. The Gods are NOT just a more intelligent/advanced extraterrestrials, as they are extremely adept in the powers of the mind and can easily influence the environment around them. They can bend the universe at their will, and can leave their body any time to travel somewhere else in the universe. To manifest themselves physically they must use energies which is why you need to be powerful for a full-bodied apparition. Many of us have had wonderful experiences with the Gods. When we are very new we usually use a pendulum or Ouija board however obviously these are not the best methods of communicating. At this stage we usually keep practising with hit and miss methods etc in order to be able to get good readings. Eventually we can just suspend the pendulum from something and it will move or we can take the hands of the planchette with a Ouija board and it can move by itself, but when we become experienced we usually just communicate with demons telepathically or just Summon them. Meditation and awakenings, and hatha, aura work, charka and aura empowerment are all key elements in advancing ourselves. A lot of us do one our of meditations a day at the least. Spiritual warfare is very real and we are a part of this, being dedicated to Satan's cause is not a walk through Disney land. We do not have any mediators, we advise personal communication with father and the demons, which is the first priority relying on outside information. We have guardian demons (which is not the flip-side of a guardian Angel) that work with us and many of us have been to "hell" by the astral, as well as many other places in the universe, even enemy domains. Many of us have also seen the past and even the (probable) future by the astral. Demons can induce wonderful astral experiences and adventures.
We have all been under attack from the enemy, this is not always subtle. Many high priests and priestesses have been attacked physically by Angels and other undesirables, they have also seen the enemy bribe, threaten and even down-right plea to them in an effort to stop their workings and join them, this was happening a lot around the time they were doing energy workings and freeing the Demons.
Demons are NOT negatives and they are not evil. They are extremely powerful and intelligent and very knowledgeable in variety of areas, most of them specialise in particular areas. They are teachers of ethics, honour and truth are very important to them. Honour, sincerity and ethics are also very important to Satan. They have not caused chaos, dread, terror, for any of us, they have never had motives to screw us over or harm us. As you can probably understand, I find it hard to believe Satan is like acid to touch as I and many of have found comfort and peace and enlightenment with him and felt his love.

If youwant to read more about satanism and the ministry which I belong to, please visit www.joyofsatan.com

If you want to read more about satanism and he ministry which I belong to please visit www.joyofsatan.com

I needn't have bothered in the first place. Well, its not my problem if you want to be Angel food,

Controlling the weak is one of the benefits of strong.
I don't have to worry about any of the sour effects that may come with magic anyway.

Demons can not posses a human, their bio-electricty is so great it would incinerate the comparitably frail human body.
So called "demonic possesion" is either a base level spirit or a purely psychological phenomenon. Angels also have a bad habit of possesing people to try and enforce the right hand path and scare people away from the truth.
Its such a shame everyone has been so brainwashed and had all this RHP crap about Demons crammed down their throats, as Demons are the true and original Gods of Humanity.

Sorry, but you can't cast spells in the name of "God". "God" heavily condemns all magick, because jehovan and his angels want all the psychic energy to themselves and do not want humans to be using any of it up. The fact that you talk about universal justice and reincarnation in the same post that you exalt the judea-christian "god" is hugely contradictory.
It doesn't matter what you are invoking or doing, practicing magick as a christian is inviting disaster.

[the archangel micheal is a viscious psychopath.]

You people are seriously deluded.
the archangel micheal is a viscious psychopath. Make no mistake, spectral dragon WAS in contact with micheal, and he WAS being drained by micheal. PLEASE stay away from Angels, venturing into the occult and chanelling angels constantly, your energy is just food for them. He was not in contact with a Demon, as Demons is on the other end of the spectrum - the freinds of humanity, the true and original gods, not this young arrogant jehova who's ego is so swollen he claims he is omnipotent and omniscient. Alot of angels would not drain you from a "great psychic presence" because they are weak and pestilent (a Demon on the other hand, could accidently kill you from just appearing to you). Perhaps a higher ranking angel would, however.

If anyone wants to talk to me any further about this for now;
my aim screenname is shunkan shu
my email adress for msn is drunken_dragon_fist@hotmail.com.
I'll make a post later.
On what I base my perception is mainly first hand experience and communications with demons.
You might want to take a look at www.joyofsatan.com

Sexual energy is purple, merlin.

quote:However, I don't think you can ever successfully do a LOVE spell. You can do a SEX spell on someone and decide on the ethical nature of that yourself (personally I think it's creepy). However, a love spell for a specific person? You can cast a spell on someone and they might proclaim their love for you, but do they really love you or is it the spell making them think they do? Anything you create will only make an artificial love, and to me that isn't real love, so why bother?

No, you can do it so the specific person will love you. Using your aura is the easiest method. You programme your aura and use pink energy, and you can also direct sexual energy into the spell through masdurbation.
It isn't really an artificial love because you are setting everything up for the attraction to take place.

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please, life is NOT an RPG [V]

quote:I won't even comment on how to go down the dark path (my phrase for ways to find out just what real terror and fear is all about). Why? Because it's a one way journey, and the point of no return is very close to the starting point. I will not risk Karma by pointing someone in the direction, even in the guises of how "not to".

Do you even know what karma is?

What is my perception of Satan?
He is the lord of this earth, the creator of mankind, the true God of humanity.
How do I perceive the trinity?
There is no one, monotheistic "God". This is a deception, there are in fact many gods that make up "YHWH", although on of them is probably called jehova. As for "jesus"? He most probably did not exist. Either he did not exist at all, or he was in fact just a normal man. If the nazarene did in fact exist as he is detailed, he is an alien-human hybrid. I guess this also might provide some insight into how I think of the nazarene:
"Behold the crucifex, what do you see? pallid incompetence hanging from a tree".
JHVH and his angels are psychic feinds, when a christian dies, he is simply procesed into a soul factory. Angels also feed off mages who are stupid enough to stick with them, and also normal christians.
JHVH and his angels are concerned with the destruction of humanity, which they will attempt on the so called "day of judgement".
However, Satan is in love with humanity and he will come back and personally rip a new arsehole for this pathetic excuse for a "God".
Satan was also the sumerian diety "Enki" and the egyptian diety "Ptah". The pagan gods astaroh/ishtar,inana, beelzebub/baal, and many others are what have been branded as so called "demons". They are in fact the true and original Gods of humanity.

oh please. There is nothing wrong with casting a love spell on somebody.
Why not? if you simply go around refuting any magickal working that is for personal gain, how on earth do you expect to get anywhere?
Love spells are quite easy, I could describe to you how to do one.
Basically it would programme your aura to attract the other person, which isn't "3vil!!!111" at all. I've noticed this is the general response to anyone asking about spells, everybody just says
"No!!! No majyck for personyl gain! it wyll come back to ye three fold!!! systers of karma will punish thee!!!"
If you know how to work the spell someone is asking for, just tell them, its up to that person whether its "right" or "wrong".
An experienced magician is not going to waste his time on such crap.

quote:Mind you, it is said that a true magician can perform magic naked in the desert. That is, when a true understanding of magic is established, you come to realise that each of us has the power within us.

This is not something you should come to realise as alot of experience. The ONLY thing that matters in a ritual or magickal working is the mind - thats what magick is. Props and objects are simply used by less experienced people who find that the process is easier to carry out with poppits. Of course, you don't have to use props and poppits - and if you are involved in a system which works with these and seems to neglect the true nature of magick - or only reaches this stage when you are "more experienced" - you are wasting your time, that would be hugely limiting and inhibiting yourself and your power, and you should place no limits on yourself.

The reason why you see similarities between magic and christianity is because either victorian era ritual magick is based of christian rites or christianity ripped alot of its rites and rituals off ritual witchcraft.

You're missing the point Wronski, all other religions are meant to be worshipping of the devil - and all magick is meant to come from the devil. According to christianity ALL magick is evil. Thats what it means when it says "evil" - just that, something that "god" says is evil. Evil is in the eye of the beholder.
I think you will find worship of the devil to be very scarce.
Modern LaVeyan Satanists are for the most part athiests and don't beleive in satan as a real being.
Traditional Satanists beleive Satan to be a real being, but they do NOT call him "the devil" and do not think of themselves as "Devil Worshippers".
I personally am a traditional satanist. My soul is dedicated to satan, signed in blood.
Ave Satanas

and this has what to do with buddhism?

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This pentagram racket gets on my nerves. Turn the god damn thing upside down!!

Buddhism is not a religion, nor is it a philosophy as it does not have suject and object. Rather it is an education, and sentient beings are the students.

quote:buddha wanted us to be sweet as milk and water.(?)
the american interptretation is, sweet as coffie and sugar.(i suppose) at the time we get upset we start hurting ourselves! thats what buddhas teaching is all about as i understand it.

Buddha Shakyamuni's teachings are all about escaping the endless cycle of death and rebirth (samsara) and reaching perfect complete enlightenment.

Thank you.

Karma is not from Wicca.
"Traditional Witchcraft" - witchcraft is not a religion. Witchcraft is using the powers of the mind to influence/manipulate the environment around you.