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Well I was remembering what had happened a couple of times a month or 2 ago when I first really got in to meditation and I wondered if anyone knew exactly the cause.  And I don't do it anymore for some reason.

Basically I was meditating when my head started bobbing and my hands started twitching and then my hands raised up and start swirling around on their own.  And it seemed they were making some sort of ball, if that makes sense.

I heard maybe it was a defense mechanism...but for what?  And why don't I do it anymore?

ARG! How in bloody blazes did Jesus and Mary get into this? I hate them, if you want to talk about them, only do so in the forums labeled 'Christianity'. I wish they were banned...

I don't understand...?  You hate Jesus?

I meditated the other day on this and the past few days it's lessened.  I will still have to try that meditation that you suggested Night Mist.

Yeah it seems just accepting him and realizing that if I just let nature take control he will go away.

Do you meditate often?  That is a very good tool.  Have you read a lot of books on it?  Both of Robert Bruce's books Astral Dynamics and Project in 90 Days are very handy.

Can you lucid dream?  Projecting from those are pretty easy for me.  Just ask for your body.

Just keep raising energy and try to be as positive as you can(in all aspects of your life) and eventually it should come.

Hope your friend is okay!

Oh you are just trying it out...

I have never really been that drunk but if you are wasted everything is blurry and your legs feel like jelly.  And you can't think worth a darn either.  I don't think I am going on a limb here by saying it affects your ability to project.

Do you project now?  I really wouldn't recommend projecting if you are on Prozac and are a very depressed person.  I would recommend to build up your confidence with meditation(religion/philosophy for some people too) and start to wean out of anti-depressants.  The last thing you need is to be manipulated by some lower level entity.

The shakes inside your mind could be vibrations that you experience prior to projection.  But if it only takes 2 minutes then I don't think it's that.  I am not sure.  Unless you are focusing on your third eye REALLY hard...

As for your other question.  When you are reentering your body the memory of it is in the same format of a dream.  So when you are awake and you try to remember it, it will seem like a dream.  Only it seemed so real when you were there!

But I know sometimes when I spontaneously project and my mind isn't 100% awake then it feels almost like a dream.

Hope that helped.

I have a question.  I have been studying religion for a year but haven't read anything on Islam yet(Only Christianity, Buddhism, and Taoism).  What is kind of a easy reading to get started in to it?  Should I just dive right into the Koran(sp?) or should I wean myself into it with like a for dummies book?

What are you trying to prove here Narrow Path?  That Jesus is the only way?  Or that Islam is wrong?

I will just have to meditate more I suppose.  Thanks!

What do you mean "going on the drunk"?  Do you mean becoming an alcoholic or just seeing what it is like to have a few drinks?

It's different for everyone.  I haven't been able to project through meditation I have only been able to do it from lucid dreaming.  I am getting closer and closer though.  The thing that I think will work the best is try to find the least comfortable position in which you can BARELY fall asleep.  Like many people will recommend a chair or being at a 45 degree angle in a recliner.  But like I said I have only OBE's from lucid dreams.  So you could try to read up on lucid dreams and see how that works for you.  Then when you are there just ask for your body.

So how do I accomplish that?  Like when I am alone with my thoughts the negative is never there just when I am around other people really.

And remember our spirit guides are spirits just like us except they aren't in the physical.  So they aren't sitting around doing nothing.  Who knows what else there is to do.  I doubt if your a soul and your not in the physical your in some type of purgatory and just floating there being bored out of your mind.

Yeah I get the same thing.

I thought it was my throat center.  I get a contracting feeling around it too.  But both of those things have been lessening the past few weeks, so they should go away!

Has anyone read the Tibeten Book of the Dead?  They explain one viewpoint in there that says you choose your parents before your born.

In the book they explain that when you are traveling the afterlife if you are scared and you panic then you won't really think and say, "Hmm okay that looks like a loving couple."  You will just run into one at random because you are scared and trying to cling to things.

And in a book called Spirit Guides by Iris Belhayes, she explains that you choose the path of your life beforehand.  So you could actually be choosing parents that don't want you or that are bad.  You could be doing because that is part of your growth and you want to experience that emotion.

I probably won't know until I die so I am not going to say they are 100% true or anything.  But it seems plausible.

Since meditating and projecting I notice everything that pops up in my mind.  But a lot of times REALLY negative thoughts pop up.  They have no control at all over me and I am disgusted with them but I will them away pretty easy.  Only the positive actions/words are in control though.

To give an analogy: It's like my mind is a room with a control center.  An angel is manning all the controls for everything that I do.  But in that room is a demon caged in the corner.  He can NEVER get out(and he knows this) but he spits every curse he can at times.

Has anyone experienced this at all?  Is it just my conscience?

Not to ramble but in this book Spirit Guides by Iris Belhayes it states that we choose what we want our lives to be before we are born into this world(maybe its true, I don't know).  And this same thing has happened with almost all the friends I have had throughout my entire life and this last time it hurt a little more.

So like you said maybe I accomplished something on a soul level.

Oh and I know what your talking about with hearing astral noises before separation.  I have experienced that before with wind and a "demon" yelling at me.  Maybe this was like that only positive sounds but it seemed more meaningful.

I agree Tombo.

Most peoples conscious and logical portion of their brain are control freaks.  And from being around beginners that meditate a lot of them feel that it's silly or something.  It's just another thing that your logical brain is trying to take control.

When you meditate it corrects things that need to be corrected.  Almost like when you are asleep except since your awake more functions are awake and working so you can get more accomplished.  There is nothing to fear at all about this.  It will help you in SO many ways.

I know it was kind of a crappy explanation but I am tired, it's time for me to go to sleep.  

I have Yesterday on my computer but I never heard the other one.  I think I understand what you are saying.

Actually before I went to sleep I was crying because of something that had been going on with a friend and I am almost over it now.  Maybe that was either myself or another being comforting me.  And just a feeling of relief.  Today I felt VERY relieved where I have been kinda bothered by this for a week or so.

If i accept that oobes aren't real then why should i believe waking life is?

It's like in the Matrix when Morpheus says, "What is real?  If it's something you see or touch than all real is is electronic signals sent to your brain."

Like Gregorian chant?

Yeah that's what it was!!!  It was quite pleasant.

So what your saying is that instead of feeling the emotion my mind turned it into a sound?  And like I said I wasn't projecting or anything at the time I was awake.

I searched some posts here but didn't find the info I wanted.

Basically since I have been meditating, raising energy, astral projecting, my senses have improved tremendously.  Well when I woke up about 6 hours into sleeping I heard a soft music playing somewhere.  It sounds like something you'd hear in a old church or movie.  It was a choir of(masculine) voices just singing, "eeeee aaahhh laaaaa ohhh"(not exactly those sounds but you get my point).  I was awake for about a minute or so with my eyes open and then it ended.  It was quite comforting.

Has anyone experienced this?  I would assume it was from either Jesus or a guardian angel...

Since I have been able to project for the past few weeks lately I have been waking up in a deep trance state and my body starts trying to project.  Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.  If it does my mind is not very awake like a normal projection so I don't remember a lot.

Anyway is this normal?

Yeah everyone from your parents to your teachers to your friends drill in your head that the best thing for you in your life is to be with another person and possibly get married.  That is just another one of those things that are passed down to us that are just wrong.

People say I am WAY too picky and I might never get married.  Well if I don't find the right person then I don't expect to just settle for less.  I know what I want from a woman and if they don't have it then I'm sorry I am not going to change my values for them.

I think sometimes people are NOT meant to get married but because of free will and their own stubbornness they do it anyway and aren't truly happy because of it.

I am trying to determine if I had another OBE or not.  I remember I kept getting vibrations and after about 3 tries I projected out of my room like normal.  Except for a few things.  I wasn't as awake and in control as I normally was.  And it felt like I was holding my cat the whole time.  She does sleep with me all day but it's rare that I am ever holding her.

So yeah I am holding her and I go through my hallway to the living room and through the wall and I go outside and towards the road(It was a little darker than it should have been).  It's like I know where I want to go.  And I go to the street and float up to one of the electric lines and there is an owl.  And I said "You are my spirit guide?"(still holding my cat)  And he said "Yes my name is Ambielu(that's what I wrote down when I woke up.  Maybe it's spelled Ambaloo?)".  And basically since it wasn't a very controlled projection(or unless it was a dream) I started to lose control and don't remember what happened after that.