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Dear Scorptique,

You are very correct in that a person can die while projecting out of the physical body.  Although, over the great span of time that particular teaching in Taoism has unfortunately changed considerable.  Every being must project out of the body every night.  That is a fact.  The person would die if they tried to prevent it.

So why dont people pulling all nighters fall over dead?

It is also a known fact that a completely healthy person can die in their sleep.  The reason that any healthy person can die in their sleep, regardless if they are conscious or not, is because they are out of the body.

A completely healthy person can die ANYTIME, not just during their sleep. My father died in his sleep when I was 11, was it because he was "out of body"? He was completely healthy...

Nope, he actually had a brain anyeurism and Im sure every single person whos died in their sleep has died due to an "natural" cause.

When I was kid, I knew a girl that died in her sleep.  The doctors could not give the parents any explanation.  I remember she was a very happy and healthy vibrant girl.  Although the odds of this happening is obviously slim and none.  You have a better chance of dying in a car accident truthfully.

Peace,
Paul

slim and none?  

Il say it once for everyone to hear and it can be the last post of this thread:
OBEs CANNOT HURT YOU!

bottom line, period, end thread.

reincarnation is a belief construct.

a psychedelic experience and a oobe/astral experience are two completely different things. i agree with you that the psychedelic experience is nowhere near as insightful as an oobe but thats sorta like saying apples are better than grapes.

Also, I dont think we here on earth need retrieval to some higher plane of existence or whatever. We chose to live a life for a purpose. I would think its those people who go through life and cant seem to shake off the objective left-overs that would need the "belief-adjustment".

how would it be innacurate? All concepts that you could ever objectivly see, touch, feel, smell, etc you are born with.

its like saying that your concept of a tree is inacurrate, therefore every tree you see is blue. Concepts cant be wrong, but you can accidently explore different concepts, like instead of a tree you could see a bush. that makes it tricky at first, but once you get the hang of it all its fairly easy.

Interesting...I assumed retrievals were only done from the more hurtful and terrorizing constructs.

Why, you think you and I don't need "retrieving"?

I could use some. Any volunteers to take me to heights not experienced before?

My retreival comes in mushroom form  

yeah i was conscious and i was aware that i was trying to project, but for some reason thought did not equal action as is supposed to happen while lucid dreaming or phasing.

I think its just one step closer to the real deal.

Ben K,

Just because you sit behind a computer screen with your thoughts, beliefs, ideas and preference doesn't make you the captain of the ship to tell others what nickname they can or can't use. Along with the comment about people's belief structure and Christianity. I attend church, I do follow God and Christ - does that make me a bad person no? I support AMM and  BNOG for coming forward on this.

When did i try to tell him what nickname to use? And i dont care about your psuedo-christian beliefs, im referring to actual christians who go to church and believe that there is a man in the sky watching over them.

Using a name like "LatinasAreCute" is original as "Ben K" and they both don't have nothing to do with a metaphysical name linked to astral projection. Just like Frank, Adrian, etc... Why don't you dish on them and see how far your respect is earned.

Actually, Ben K is my actual name, so it would be a logical choice for a nick name on a forum. And im not looking for anyones respect.

In all honestly,  I prefer the old method "Astral Projection" then phasing. I understand the concept between the different focus levels, but this doesn't make me right or wrong. Its all in beliefs, preferences, and how WE all can come together to make a difference. This whole forum is suppose to be a learning experience, helping each other on their paths and digging at the truth about this reality.

Next time, think before you write.

Tvos

Astral Projection is just another method of phasing. "Phasing" refers to the "switch" you make from physical to non physical. Astral Projection is basically phasing with extra unneccessery crap on the side.

Im not trying to be rude, just honest.

that would require me to know what the place look like wouldn't it? And finding that out is the whole point... and you loss more reality when you do that anyways. At least from my experience.

Yeah but with practice it wont be a problem. you will be able to close your eyes and change your surroundings with ease. you might not even have to close your eyes! You dont need to know what the place looks like at all, you already have the concept of area 51 inside of you. as long as that is your intent and you are concentrated enough you will arrive at your destination.

in the end there is no time so NONE OF IT MATTERS!

Great progress man.

My first "non physical" experiences were also more like half lucid half oobe. actually it was more like a dream of a lucid dream if that makes sense.  

keep it up!

[IDEAS]

people...dont you get it...

the past and future are IDEAS. Nothing more. The only real truth is Now.

THAT is why its so hard to project into the past/future. What you are seeing could just as easily be a creation of your own mind. Theres literally no difference.

Whats the difference between a memory and an idea? The memory happened? Ha...

I find every time I lay down to practice at night i get deeper and deeper. its only a matter of time for me and I know it.

What are you supposed to be looking for? Nothing really- shapes, colors, lights all flash in and out of the darkness in front of your eyes.

Just keep practicing and make it a point not to really try any technique or set of rules. You will get into a deeper and deeper trance every time, progress becomes inevitable. Its the chinese finger lock- the harder you try the harder it becomes. Notice that this is a recurring theme in life yet?

I think we can all relate to what shes saying. it sucks having no visible progress and you have to be careful of a small belief snowballing and ruining our whole experience. Thats usually the problem Ive seen.

Also, dont be afraid! I know it seems simple but when you are actually in a deep trance-like state things can get hectic! Just remember its all in your head and you will be fine

Are any of you guys doing a mental rundown? Ive found that if you simply lay down and start your imagination it can take longer. Lay down, let your focus shift a little (maybe f2-f3 in monroe terms?) and then start the imagination process. It may not sound like much but when you are in a light trance the images in your minds eye are much easier to create/see. Even if you dont do a mental rundown you will still get little scenes and pictures floating through your head- the trick is to stay away from them. this is where the rundown comes in handy.

GL everyone

People, people.

I am not debating the hotness of latina girls in the least. In fact there are many attractive latinas. Like J-Lo. What I AM debating is the choice to use said name at a forum devoted to "Astral Projection". While said name might be a common one at say, a video game message board or a drug message board, I find it odd that someone registered using said nick name.

The reason I find this odd is simple. When choosing a nick name, there are a couple common through processes that take place among humans. We might use our real name, we might use a name that has to do with a cartoon character. We might use our mothers name.

Not once have I seen a name on the internet so out of place as "LatinasAreCute" on the Astral Pulse message board. I find humor in this fact.

And yes, I can pass judgement on christianity. it is a stupid idea used to control people and has no place in todays society. Bottom line. God is a stupid idea. Christianity leads to being stuck in stupid constructs and ideas, no spiritual values whatsoever.

Interesting...I assumed retrievals were only done from the more hurtful and terrorizing constructs.

A very cool post either way

^Yes ive heard the card trick can be a little...err....tricky.

I think it has alot to do with the subtle things that we have no idea about.

I imagine its a lot like if a person in PF3 learned about people on earth. "Well we just need to create a body, go down their and put ourselves "in" it?

All im saying is its probably a lot more complex than we know

Dont retrievals take place on the lower "levels" of reality? Like attracts like, so until you are ready to go on your first conscious retrieval with a guide i would say it was just an f2 experience or whatever.

not trying to doubt your experience at all just doubting if it was a retrieval. most of the ones ive read about are where you actually go to the "hell" constructs and so on. I dont think many people are trapped in your grandmas neighborhood.

Regardless it was a good experience

Nah, I think I will continue to read other people's posts and make up my own mind about who's whacked out or not.

well excrement with a name like "latinasarecute" on an ASTRAL PROJECTION FORUM how whacked out can ya be!

really man, what was the thought process behind that one?

I love this place.

I too have felt this. i suspect its just subjective influence taking over in place of the restriced stimuli to the physical body. wouldnt worry about it, just another hurdle in the race.

this is a really bonking easy question to answer. il give it to you straight up.

Purchase and install counterstrike 1.6

Go into a server with people who play a decent amount of time.

Get your butt WHOOPEDDDDD.

Proceed to either cry like a baby or punch your moniter in as long as their is an emotional investment(as in, you actually TRY to play) you will get ticked off.

Just one idea, ive got PLEENNNTY more that are guarenteed to work.

and dont listen to that crazy guy telling you you'r crazy. you'r fine.

Well since I am bored and I also happen to love the phasing model, here are some topics to keep you busy

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17413
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5685
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15371
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13644
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15614
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18027
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17476
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17350

Beyond these topics, just search for topics written by Frank, Major Tom, and the other phasing authorities you see on the forums. Good Luck

You know who you are.

yes...women have been the supressed gender on earth for thousands and thousands of years...but the revolutions coming...just dont break your nail on the trigger.

i love how these people with these weird beliefs are so hostile of frank and people who follow his model.

give me a break, wake up people.

[come to you]

labouts- you know that when you are in the RTZ you dont actually have to travel anywhere right? Thats just a belief left over from waking life. while having an OBE, you let the experience come to you.

Theres lots of ways people have figured of doing this. you can spin around, which causes your environment and attention to shift, or you could simply close your "eyes".

I havnt got out of my body yet but im sure its EASY to get into places like area 51(although you would have to be as objective as possible to distinguish your mind from the actual objective RTZ.

hahaha your name is latinasarecute. hahahaha.

anyway, il put it short and sweet for you- read franks posts and ignore everyone else. really. for your own sake. Major Tom is a good guy too, as with alot of others, but for quickr results, just read read read.

if you listen to all the whacked out people on these boards you will be fighting demons and devils and wearing 'crystals' and chanting prayers to allah.

you dont need any of that crap. just simplify the process, and you will get quick results. THAT is what franks model is all about. he doesnt have anything against the mystics or shamans, he just doesnt want to deal with the holier-than-thou attitude that most of these people possess. 'astral projection' is a tool that everyone should learn to use, not just some mystical dude who thinks hes a wolf or something.

Take it from me- learn how to project into F2oC(your mind) and there you can literally go on to do anything you want. just dont buy into any stupid beliefs- christianity being one of them.

ps- if my post offended anybody, get a life.