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Sometimes when I am trying to project I will get strong sexual feelings. I have read that others get these feelings as well so it seems to be something that is kind of common, just depends on you.

You should not be afraid of projecting. There is nothing to be afraid of. Nothing can hurt you but your own fears. You should work on not being afraid as if you do project and are afraid then you will find yourself in a scary environment. Your emotions shape your situation in the Astral. I use to be afraid when I first got out because it was such a different feeling. I faced those fears and realized that projecting is really an incredible thing. Now when I project I find the feeling so awesome and uplifting.

I get that feeling a lot when I try to project. But I can also get it when I am not. Sometimes I get it if I am just laying down to relax or sitting somewhere. It feels like my body is in a different position that it really is. Sometimes it even feels like I am spinning around, not in a dizzy pass out kind of feeling, but like I can feel my etheric or astral body moving around. I also think that this could be me being conscious of my other bodies, but I am not totally sure it this is correct.

My first OBE was a spontaneous projection when I was around 16, I don't remember what age I was. I was sitting in class in high school and I felt this great energry come over me. I stop what I was doing and concentrated on this energry. Next thing I know I am standing in the middle of a field surround by a forrest. I notice that it is odd because the sky is pitch black, no stars no moon, nothing in the sky but black, but my surroundings are full of color and very vivid. I then think that I was not here just a minute ago but in class, then upon thinking that I faded back into my body. At the time I had no idea what had happened. I did not know anything about astral projection or where to look for what did happen. It was not until 4 or 5 years later that I found out what happened and started practicing. Unfortunately by that time I had little time to practice so my progress has not been great but I have had several other OBEs.

My favorite color is black. I also like green very much as well. Blue is nice but not my favorite.

1.  Birth Month: November
2.  Day of Month: 3
3.  Time, (then GMT please.): 11:19am EST, not sure about the convertion to GMT
4.  Age at which abilities first showed: Not sure, I was very young for some, around 16 more or less when I had my first OBE
5.  Current Age: 24
6.  psi grown stronger with age: No, I think it is because I have neglected it for so long
7.  loose any abilities: sort of
8a. Listen to music: yes
8b. How much: about 8 hours a week, more or less
9.  Musically inclinced, Do you play an instrument or sing: I have sang in Choirs and I usually sing in the car
10a.Watch TV: yes
10b.How Much: it depends, not much usually, more in the winter
11. Artist, Paint, Draw, that sorta thing: Yes I draw
12. Writer, or enjoy doing it: I write a little
13a.Meditate: yes
13b.How long per session: 10 minutes - 1 hour or more, depends on how much time I have
14. Martial Arts: No
15a.Other physical activities: Yes
15b.List em: Basketball (though not in a while), Hiking, Mild Excerise

I cannot see why it would make a difference. It might make a difference to you personally for psycological reasons. It could also be that since you have changed your hairstyle your attention is more directed toward your head and this newness you have about you. This could be adding more energy to your upper chakras and making it easier for you. (It sounds good anyway )
I have thought about shaving my head and if I do I will let you know if anything changes. Though I do not know if I will because my girlfriend said she would kill me if I did.

I do not do any kind of ritual for protection. Sometimes I will say a little prayer for protection and help in projecting. I do have a practice, per say, that I use to help protect me. From what I have read and experienced I believe that the only thing that can hurt you is your own fears. So I practice not being afraid and remaining in control of my emotions. I do this all the time on the physcal plane to train myself to be more in control on the astral. If one cannot control their fears on the physical then they do not have much of a chance of doing so on the astral. Also I try to push away all negative feelings that I have, especially before I project. In a way this is exactly what you are doing only in a different way. It seems to me that by your method you are comforted, feel safe so that fear will not over take you, and push away the negative. I think that as long as you can do these things then it does not matter how you do them as long as you can do it. So whatever works for you then use it.

An important rule to remember, NEVER move in with a girl/boyfriend unless you have known them for a few years (then only if you have really thought about it). It maybe tempting, especially when you first move out on your own, to do but not good if things go bad.

A credit card could be a good thing, but if you have a way to get some extra money (mom and dad, etc.)  in case of an emergency I would advise against it. A couple hundred dollars can be hard to come up with if something should happen, so a credit card is nice to have then. One that has no fees if you do not use it. But if you should get one lock it away, never carry it on you as it will tempt you. You would be surprised at how easy it is to get in over your head with one.

Most of the time the generic brand is just as good as the name brand product. Generic can also be a lot cheaper sometimes saving you a couple of dollars. Of coarse this is not always the case but just keep your eyes open and try what is cheap. If it works for you then it can save a lot of money over time.

A few weeks ago I saw what would be described as a grid. At the time I did not think of it like that, more like a net but a net is like a grid right? I was trying to project and decided to ask for some help from a guide. I have never done that before but I wanted to try something new. When I was close to projecting I asked for help again. I then saw this hand move down, it looked like it was reaching down from above my head then it moved back up towards my head. I was then suddenly out of my body looking at this golden grid. It was the most beautiful golden color I have ever seen. Inside each grid there were several small lights that were different colors, red, blue, I do not remember them all right now. I was amazed at this. I have never seen anything like it before. It was very beautiful.
I have not read Mr. Bruce's book yet so I had no idea about grids. Has anyone else ever said anything about them as this is the first time I have heard about them?

Zugzug, if you wish to know more about life after the physical death the best thing I can think of is to practice projecting more, keep an open mind, and explore. You can read all the books you want, and I would suggest doing it too, and study all the religions of the world but you will still have questions and few answers. The answers you seek can be found within more than from without. Meditate and seek for the answers, for it is hard to describe higher planes in physical terms but if you seek you can find understanding.

Like anything, life on any plane will be what you make of it. After you die you can find yourself in "heaven" or "hell", it all depends on what you make of it. Atleast this is what I believe. If one "gets lost" and dwells on the lower emotions of anger, hate, depression, etc. then they willl find themself in such a "world". This maybe their heaven or it maybe their hell. Since each person is different then the first place they go after death with be different for each. Some may enjoy a sunny meadow full of flowers, for another this may be a hell. All will go through these "illusions" until they finally wish to seek more and again turn their attention to higher planes.

As for time, I do not think it will be the same as on the physical. I am not sure that time even exists at all beyond the physical. It will be different than we know it now so it is kind of hard to imagine. Even if it does exist, from what I know it about other planes it would not be very important. I do believe that at the highest level time does not exist.

As for God, I seriously doubt that such a being is an old man with human ways of thinking like it has been portrayed throughout time, atleast Christain history. At the highest plane, "GOD", all things are one. All are united, all are one entity. "God" is everything, is everyone, is everywhere. I am part of God, you are part of God, this computer, the air, the electricity. God is flowing through me, God is all around me. Life force is a word I find better to describe this Being but it seems lacking. I guess all words are lacking.

These are my beliefs and I do not wish to offend anyone. I share so that you will share so that we all will learn.

You should not be frightened by this. It sounds like things that others have experienced. Read other posts on the board and experiment whenever this happens again. Assuming you are waking up outside your body then try leaving and going somewhere else. Just remember that there is nothing to fear even though this is something new and the feelings are weird at first. Your astral body is indestructible.
I am sorry to hear about your wife. The visions may have started then because your mind shifted to thinking more about other dimensions beyond death opening this up to you.

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Ok I'm not to sure how much everyone knows about genetic engineering, but my mother works in this field and has explained to me why clones, will not work today with the knowlage avalible. When making a "clone" what is done is the DNA is removed from the cell to be cloned. It is inserted into the neuclus of the "blank cell". The blank cell reads the DNA and becomes the same as the donor cell. Now the problem is that the "blank cell" still has part of it's orginal genetic code left in the cell membrane. The DNA that was inserted still takes over and changes the cell to what the DNA reads, but with variations due to the orginal DNA still left over. I hope I explained this well, but this is the reason why there will be many genetic "defects" in cloned people/animals. The technology used, as advanced as it seems, isn't all the way there yet.

Fallenangel- I believe that everything we do, technically and spirtually, physically and mentally is part of our evolution. IMO we cannot evolve wrongly, and nothing can stop evolution. Evolution is change, and change is different. We can't really predict what aspect of evolution will be our next, until we get there and look back. Whatever we do is part of our evolution, regardless of how wrong or immoral it may seem.

"Look within, thou art the Budda"

I see what you mean now. I was talking purely in the physical/genetic sense of human evolution. You were talking about human evolution as a whole. Probably better to view the whole process.

Argh! I just wrote a whole bunch and when I went to send it I got an error. Then when I came back all that I wrote was gone. Oh well. I will comment on one thing since I do not have the time to rewrite everything right now.

I have recently found the same thing with music as Frank. Most of my distractions are lyrics from rock, pop, etc. music. I have started listening more to intrumental music or no music at all and just listen to my quite surroundings. If you are having problems with distracting thoughts then you might try changing your music for a while.

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Frank that is one of the best explanations I have ever heard.  I must admit that I have been trying to have OBE for 6 years.  In that time I have had several OBE but I can never repeat them.  I must have developed some hidden fears in regaurds to it.  How can one over come them?  Have you ever gone into real time zone and met with someone and asked there subconscious what is holding them back?  Do you think it is possible to do that?  If it is possible would consider doing it for someone.  I know it is alot to ask even if it is possible but really I have tried everything.  


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Something that I have found helpful which you might too is to think about astral projection throughout the day, every day. Don't think about any negativity with it but just think about projecting with a positive attitude. More than just thinking about it, believe in it. Believe you can do it, believe that astral projection is a positive thing. Believe there is nothing to be afraid of. Also read as much as you can on the subject, preferably something that looks at it in a very positive way. By doing this everyday you should be able to instill in yourself that projecting is possible (because your lack of success maybe that deep down you have feelings that you cannot project rather than fear of doing it), that you can project, and that there is nothing to fear. The idea is that if you tell yourself something enough times you start to believe it. This should work itself down into your subconcious to get rid of any of those doubts and fears and prepare yourself and mind for projecting. I find I have a lot more success if I think and read alot about projecting for several days while I am trying to project.

I only watched the first few minutes of Gataca (SP?) but from what I gathered they were not cloning people but rather they were, not sure about the word, geneticly enhancing the population to weed out the genes that cause problems, heart disease ect. Cloning is different in that they are using the same genetic code to make an exact genetic copy of a human. In other words they would take my genes and use it to create another human with the same genetic make up so the person would look just like me, like identical twins.

Bhikku, I am curious as to how you see cloning as our evolution. The study of genetics I can understand so we can know what all the genes do, and possibly weed out bad ones, though I think that could be dangerous without intensive study. But simply making a copy of another human I see as pointless, especially when that copy is not as good as the original and has defects. Just because we can do something does not always mean that we should do it.

STEAK!! I would have to have a steak every now and then. No way I could give that up. Like they say, if you are going to cheat, cheat with the best!
Seriously I have no moral dilemma with whatever humans eat. No matter what we eat something dies so we can consume its energy. That is the nature of the physical plane. I do see consuming more plants and very little meat a lot healthier diet than one that is high meat content. I feel alot better physically when I eat small portions of meat and lots of fruits and vegetables.
But to each his own. If you feel it is wrong, then it is wrong for you.

Have you played Soul Reaver? It makes me think of a game with OBEs. Though they do not call it the astral plane but the spirit, I think. It is worth checking out. It might give you some ideas for your game.

About two years ago I tried becoming a vegetarian. I ate mostly pastas, fruits and vegetables, cheese, and milk for a few months. But like Daniel said it can be expensive here in the US when compared to fast food and tv diners. Work cut back my hours all at once, very unexpectedly, so I could not afford it for awhile. Sad that when one has to cut back to pay the bills they have to eat junk food. I must say that during that time of eating no meat I felt a lot better than I ever have. I may try doing it again now if anyone could give some suggestions to help me get started.

Why would someone want to make a clone anyway? They would have the same genetic material as the other person right? Why would one want this? Nature has the perfect plan so that the genetic material is always being placed in different combinations. It weeds out those that are not useful and those that are desired are refined in the offspring. Cloning disrupts the natural coarse of evolution, in the long run hurting humans as a race by not letting us evolve and change to suite our environment. Cloning is by no means needed for reproduction. We have enough people already being produced by natural means without science doing this. Plenty of children do not have parents that would love to be adopted for those that cannot have their own. Clones also have defects, even those that seem healthy so why put a person through unforseen problems. Forget religious reasons, cloning just does not seem logical on any level.

As Barbara has stated it depends on what the medication does. If it effects the mind in some way it might be effecting your ability to have OBEs. I do not know too much about this but I have read that drugs and alcohol do not mix well with OBE.

My opinion as to way you are not experiencing these vibrations now is because you are out of practice. You have conditioned yourself to not feel them, whereas before you were feeling them naturally. You will have to condition yourself to be able to feel them again. It may take a little while but keep practicing and you will be able to feel them again. I have had similar experiences but I can allows feel the vibrations and energy when I start practicing again.

Good Luck!

If you kill yourself to be there before she is, then who will be here with her now while she is alive on the physical plane to give her comfort? I am sorry but I cannot answer your question. I have not met anyone that says they have commited suicide on the physical plane. I personally do not believe in a Hell in which people go to burn for all eternity just because they did not worship the right deity or because they did something wrong. I do think that people can create their own hells because of their own fears, guilt, depression, etc. I find what you want to do honorable but not very practical or logical. I think the best thing you could do for her is to show her how to project so she will see that there is more beyond the physical for herself. Buy her books and direct her to websites such as this so she can learn. Your death is not necessary for her. Many others have gone on before her that will be there to comfort and protect her.

Thank you for the welcome. This seems like a really nice and informative board.

I totally agree with your replay to Qui-Gon Jin. I looked at all that was taught and then all the terrible things that go on because of religion and asked myself the same question. But I still respect others and their opinions.

Fear and guilt, how can one find "salvation" in such things? Yet I felt like these were two things that were a major part of the religion as well. I could not understand much of the obvious contractions that the religion had, yet again I was taught that you are not to question. But if you do not question how are you to learn? After awhile of living I have learned that learning is what this life is about. I like your comparison of it being like a classroom and learning through our experiences. One thing that I have learned, especially since I have started Astral Projecting, is that fear and guilt can be very harmful emotions to instill in the followers of a religion. They sure do not seem to lead one to enlightenment.

Bitsmart and Qui-Gon Jin are lucky that they were not made to believe in something but rather find their own path. This way you did not have to deal with trying to undo beliefs that were instilled in you since birth that you feel are not right. I am glad that I was brought up in this religion in one aspect. I did get see this first hand so I have knowledge of what it is like, the beliefs, and how it works. It also atleast gave me an introduction into spirituality. It planted a curiousity for me to seek my own path.

Greetings!

Barbara, I have similar experiences with this light feeling. The best way I can describe it is that it feels like I become conscious of my astral body, like I can feel it slightly separate from my physical. But I am conscious of both bodies at the same time. Unfortunately this usually happens when I am working or driving so I cannot explore it and am forced to keep my consciousness in my physical.

In your second experience it sounds like you are seeing auras. Atleast this sounds exactly like what I have read. I cannot do this so I am no expert.

Greetings!

I am new to this board, just found it today infact. Like Barbara I grew up in a religious family, though they were not very strict. When I was young I became very interested in this religion that I was taught. In reallity I was interested in what else is out there, but at the time that is all that I knew. As I studied this religion I felt like it left alot out. There has to be more than what is in this book that is not suppose to be questioned. In my mid-late teens I had a spontaneous projection, though at the time I did not know what it was. A few years later I learned about Astral Projection and related subjects. With this discovery I found a direction to take my curiousity of life to find out the truths that that book left out. As I learned more my views of that religion changed and in a way I felt like I out grew the confines that religion imposes. I then faced a dilema, Do I question and even go against this religion and face the fear it instilled in me or do I forget all that I have learned? Once one knows something they clearly cannot forget it. It took time but I have been able to work through these conflicting feelings and ideas and overcome such fears. I feel I am better for it and now see clear horizons to be explored.

Sorry for boring anyone with my own personal experiences but it is for a point. These are my thoughts and I do not wish to impose them on anyone but just to share. Way back when a religion was in its creation I feel that its creators were trying to do just this, expand their horizons and find more to life. But then for whatever reason the followers stopped searching and fell into mundane habits. Over time the religion was molded to fit the earthly constraints the people wanted. Which brings us to today, we have stale religions that do not grow. Some people feel comfortable with what they have and do not push for more, which was not the original intend of the religion. How I see religion fitting into our lives today is as a stepping stone to higher thought. It is for giving direction but not for constraining. One that seeks the more must learn to step away from the religion and seek the truth. Otherwise it becomes stale. It is dangerous, as others have pointed out, to remain in this state and follow the doctorine without question. It will blind them to truths, enlightenment, and growth.