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I find that if I fly high enough in a LD,I eventually (sometimes sooner than others,and sometimes the dreamsky is too high) reach a barrier of light.

I pass through the barrier,into a kind of void.the voids are lighter/brighter if I fly up,and darker/heavier if I fly down into the barrier in the 'earth'.

when i pass through the void,I end up in another dream...

questions:

whose dream?

a higher level of my own?

an astral realm?

...just wondering[]

just thought I'd like to share these.please post your own if you have some:

The first one was when I was at a lecture by the famous scientist/naturalist David Suzuki.for some reason,his aura was the most colourful that I've ever seen.I've never seen one so vivid.the colors were just swirling all over him (lots of red-no doubt due to the agressive force of his lecture,also lots of blue/purple,and some of the others swirling around as well).When the lecture was done,some other people got up.their auras were relatively dull compared to his.

another time I was attending a concert of musicians from india.there were 3 of them,one was a teacher in the college that the concert was at.they were sitting in a triangle position.they all had the crown chakra open-like a fountain on top of their head.that energy emenating from the crown ck=hakra seemed to float into the air and dissapear.When one of the musicians (usually the flute or tabla player) was about to play a particularily forceful or expressive passage,I saw circles of light emanate from them.all three of them playing this meditative music together created a big ball of energy in the middle of the triangle.The emanations floated toward the ball,seeming to help sustain it.

when the concert ended,the ball dissipated.

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I've been using this for maybe a few weeks now.the cd consists of hemi-sync sounds in the background-kind of sounds like soft static.then repetitive rhythmic african drumming comes in for about 5-10 minutes,followed by a stringed instrument of some kind (definately not a guitar,or any stringed instrument I've heard before).in the middle of the cd,when your body is extremely relaxed,almost gone,there are etherial sounds echoing in and out,and droning voices.after that point,when your body is on it's way to 'shutting down',you reach the all-important 'borderline state'.this cd is good practice for maintaining that state when your thoughts begin to turn to the metaphoric dreaming mind,and you have to yank them back to normal conciousness.
  many times,I usually fall asleep after that.it depends on the curcumstances-if the house is noisy,or if I have physical tension somewhere,it will inhibit the whole process.
 It took me a couple of weeks to find out what was past the 'borderline state' area of the cd-I usually feel asleep!
after that,the stringed instrument comes in,and then, gradually, complex polyrhythms build,attempting to bring you back to normal conciousness.

Sometimes I just program track 1,which takes you up to the borderline state,and just remain there for awhile.

I'll have to practice w/it for awhile longer to get the full benifit of the cd-many people think you just pop in the cd,and get instant results-not so!

I am going to order a couple more (they have a 20% off all cds sale until december 10th I think)-possibly 'transcendence',and 'think fast'.

anyone else tried hemi-sync cds,for various applications?

this stuff works[8D]

I would like to find out if anyone else has this problem while attempting an obe...

I just can't get relaxed while laying on my back.I do a ton of stretches and progressive relaxation exercises,but I always still feel 'jittery' in my back-it's like it's saying "need to move need to move need to move...!"[!].it eventually becomes VERY uncomfortable,and I have to change positions (thus breaking the 'spell').I inevitably end up lying on my side,and just can't achieve an obe in that position.it ALWAYS results in a lucid dream (which is kinda cool,but not what I'm going for).

lying on back=obe

lying on side=lucid dream

does anyone have this problem,or know of a way to be able to relax while lying on their back[?]

I've tried lying on my stomach,but that doesn't really work for me.

another question- does anyone have a way of conchiously choosing whether to go to RTZ,or astral realms?

I used to ALWAYS end up in the RTZ,but now its the astral (when I do achieve an obe-maybe once a year! probably because of the back issue[]).I can't seem to control this!

I posted a thread in the lucid dreaming section of astral pulse forums.I thought you might be interested...

here's the link:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7675

tell me what you think...

[quantum mechanics]

it was a lucid dream that consisted of nothing more than a book called quantum mechanics.it was an encyclopedia of the future technology of applied quantum mechanics.most of it was so complex that I couldn't understand it.it was full of diagrams and pictures,etc, describing the technology.some of the few things I do remember are:

something called 'meek'possibly an acronym (?),but not sure...there were  pictures of 3 objects below.

there was an extensive description and diagram of a quantum field generator-it was a device that used jing somehow-though no doubt the scientists will use a much more scientific name for it.a little bit would be used to teleport objects from one location to another, and too much jing would completely  destroy the objects.the device that created the field was a circular,possibly tubular objectthat had a curved tubular control panel directly attached to it.this was where the 'jing' control was.there were probably other controls as well.when activated,the circular portion of the device would create a bubble-shaped field of energy.

there was a diagram of the electro-dynamic field that is a part of everyone and everything.we are part of the field, which is a flat grid of electric/magnetic energy.When unnaffected by conciousness.when affected by conciousness,the grid is manipulated,and objects/people,etc, spring into temporary existance, eventually to be realeased back into a flat grid.

I scanned through the book quickly,so I can't remember much.it was about 4 inches thick,and LOADED full of technology we probably won't see for very long time...

...UNLESS...I can bring this book into the world?
...possibly using channeling and a voice activated recorder?

what do you think?

according to Edgar Cayce (in 'edgar cayce-on esp'),anyone can be a medium-just as long as they have a real desire and intension to do so,and as long as it benefits people.

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I have noticed that there are barriers above and below the dream environment.usually when I realize I'm dreaming,I decide to either ask an important question, or fly straight up into the sky(or down into the ground.every time I do this,I encounter a barrier and a blank buffer zone between levels.the barriers upward get progressively lighter and brighter,and the ones below get progressively darker,and the feeling in the buffer zone gets heavier.I've never actually been to a level below,I just made it to the buffer zone,and didn't like the darkness/heaviness of it, so I ended the dream.I didn't have a whole lot of energy,and it takes a lot to be able to transcend the barriers.

on one occation I was able to pass upward through many levels,each seemingly w/its own dream.I actually posted that one here somewhere (from LD to AP to confusion).

are these the astral planes?

it seems just infinite...

...my next 'project' is to try and find out how to enter someone elses dream reality,since they seem to take place in the COLLECTIVE unconcious.

any comments/ideas?

I've heard that this is the 'enchanced creativity' state.I would like to try and write some music,work on my artwork...

[?]

I feel kinda lost,so I figured I'd see what you people think.I've suffered w/this most of my life.I've been on meds for a year and a half,still trying to de-sensitize myself,but it takes a looongg time,especially for someone like me.

I'm on social assistance and want/need to get off the system,but whenever I try to 'extend' myself into the world...BAM-massive panic attacks! the meds don't really help all that much.

now the social assistance people want me to sign up for an employment program that will basically give me the same old sh*tty jobs I've hated for years! (don't get me wrong,it's not that I'm lazy).the thought of this, makes me very depressed.

...I know I can do so much more than that.I am a musician and artist,and I will never be happy unless I make a living doing these things-I really feel a 'calling'-but the anxiety is REALLY getting in the way.[!][V]

how do i find the courage to put my abilitys into the world?

advice?

this is some knowledge I recieved in a couple of recent lucid dreams about herbal supplements helpful to metaphysical purposes such as astral projection,etc:

selenium-acts as a natural de-toxifier,frees locked up energy in the body.especially effective when used w/vit. E.

??foil-help me out here w/the name...this herb helps in the building of ki,and is apparently useful to help build ki-balls-?- (they were balls of white light composed of smaller white balls.they explode when thrown).this herb or mineral supplement is a white powder.

I know that "kingsfoil" is a tolkien term, but it could be a metaphor for something in the description of that plant, or, it could be some other kind of "____foil" plant.

this plant could also aid in developing remote viewing, or telescopic vision abilitys,possibly  having to do w/aiding in extreme concentration,and awareness manipulation.

anyone have some comments,or other stuff on this topic?

I awoke way too early this morning,so I attempted an astral projection.I relaxed my body,but still felt tension when laying on my back, so I said "screw it", and attempted it from a side position.as per usual,it resulted in a lucid dream.I decided to leave the dream, and see if I could get to some astral levels.I flew up into the dream sky, through a barrier,then a buffer zone.

I came up through the floor of a room where 2 people were playing a game they called 'tennis':it involved raqueting a black or white diamond (depending on which side you were on)through an architecture of cube and rectangular shapes sticking up at different levels.the objective was to get your diamond to bounce of the proper cubes at the proper angle,and get the diamong to merge w/the diamond in the architecture.I startled them, coming out of the floor like that! then,we left the building, and walked down to a shoreline.everyone here looked distinctly asian.I think I flew over the ocean.

I forget some parts, but I eventually I was in a jungle,millions of years ago.I saw what I think was an allosaur (? -stocky body, blunt nose,plant eater)- he was very young,and we became friends and ran around in the jungle.we went past a HUGE brontasaurus.I was terrified of it!

the young dinasaur said he wanted to go across the ocean (another ocean).IU said I could fly him across.he turned into a 'curl' in my arms,and I flew across the ocean.when we got to the other side, I let him go,and he ran away along a road (!)into a tunnel.

this place seemed to be a civilization that existed A LONG,LONG, time ago.I met some people, and I forget some more parts (although I was concious,it was a very long experience!)we got on a wierd tranpotation decice that looked like a section of stadium seating, that ran along a wide railway.one guy fell off the 'tram line' and died! (how can anyone w/a non physical body, die/)

I told them I was from another world, and that I had just seen dinasaurs in a jungle.they said that couldn't possibly be true, because they went extinct 35-40000 years ago-either that or 3500-4000 years ago!

the whole thing was really confusing-like a long lucid dream,only it was a mish-mash of different prehistoric time periods.

either this was-

1-a good way to change from lucid dream to lucid dream.

2-a kind of 'collective memory' area of the history of planet earth.

I had relatively low power levels when I left the origional lucid dream.could it be that I hadn't been able to leave the dream levels?

I only passed through 1 or 2 light barriers.the last time I did this,I had much more energy,and passed at least 10-20 light barriers.it seemed to take me to proper astral levels-not ultra- confusing stuff like this.

what happened here?

is this the nature of the astral levels reached from lucid dreaming-that you need to pass to much higher levels to get away from the 'earth life system' memories and dreams?

is easier that shooting fish in a barrel (never actually done that!)...

I understand that in an astral projection/metaphysics forum there is a degree of seriousness required, but c'mon people...[:O]

to be overly serious-minded about anything implies a certain lack of confidence that can be very 'heavy' and CORNY!

I'm getting tired of this...no-one can crack the slightest joke or mild sarcasm w/out being shot down here!

example:
Don Juan Matus (if he existed at all)-was one of the worlds most powerful sorcerer-shamans in the world,and even HE laughed and joked all the time-precisely to offset the seriousness of the action.it serves to free up more inner power and fluidity.

I understand that we do need to be serious in dealing and learning about things most people don't understand, but really...


ooooh,I'm being serious now[!]

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I awoke very early, and decided to try a technique that I came up with that involves first thouroughly relaxing the body,then expanding and contracting my awareness,from awareness of the room out side my body, contracting to a tiny pinpoint of inner awareness,and back again.Each time I would reach maximum contraction,then expand,I would be a little deeper into trance.

I must have fallen asleep at some point, as I was suddenly in a lucid dream in a library (not surprising, since the library is where I type these posts/threads).

I became bored of the lucid dream,so I jumped out of a window and flew straight up into the sky of the dreamscape.my vision,but not my awareness blacked out for some reason,but as I went higher,my vision suddenly came back 'online'.I was high above a mountain range,presumably in the astral somewhere,'cuase nothing changed when I gazed at it (unlike in a dream).I looked all around and gasped at the shining,green beauty of the forested mountains far below,though the peaks of the mountains were about at my height.I decided to keep flying higher,passing many,many barriers of light.there's probably some stuff here that I forget.

eventually,I came to a building on a mountain,w/a valley stretching far below.at the bottom of the valley was a barrier of light.I went inside,and there were chairs everywhere,like a waiting room,only no-one was there.I looked around,and noticed that the walls were partly made of a thick,black,semi-soft 'stuff',that was separated by stone at regular intervals.since there wasn't anyone there,I went down a hallway,noticing how SOLID everything seemed to be.the hallway eventually led to a door that had the security of a bank vault.it wasn't locked (!), so I opened it,hoping someone would come out that I could talk to,to see where I was.

then 2 people came out.It seemed that one ranking higher than the other.I went outside w/the higher ranking one.we looked down at the valley and talked.I said I came from a world down there,beyond the barrier.he seemed somewhat surprised at this,as he said "you mean,from a world down there?!".there was a purple car next to us (!).I showed him how I could make things solid when I wanted, and pass through things when I wanted.I asked him if there was anything I could do to enhance my astral travels,and make them easier.he said, "don't wear any clothes".the thought of going around the astral plane naked,and 'just hangin' out'[]was really embarrasing.looking back on what he said,he could have been referring to my human body form,which presumably,takes energy to sustain,even unconciously,remembering that I'm actually a ball of light would free up that energy.

the 2nd man came out of the building.he gave me a gift of an orange crystal,set in translucent stone.he said "you might need it when you work in the warehouse with michael"(that hasn't happened yet!).I said thank you,and flew back into the valley,towards the barrier,clutching the crystal.

I flew back down the light barriers (worlds?),looking for the library I  left origionally.I came to one,thinking it was the right one,so I flew into a window.it wasn't the right one,I realized,and in my haste to get out, ran into someone carrying books.I said sorry, he was very freindly and understanding.I lept out the window and continued down through the barriers.the crystal began to change from deep orange to deep purple.

I then came to a beautiful realm.it was bright and sunny,and there was a field of grass and wildflowers,surrounded by woodland.a small temple was in the centre of the field.it had a long staircase leading up to it.I walked up the stairs and went inside.in the middle of the room was a huge version of the now totally purple crystal I was holding! there were 2 women arguing in the room, and one woman was standing at the side,watching the whole thing without much concern.I felt my power waning and I began to feel more aware of my physical body.I awoke clutching the purple crystal,set in tranlucent stone,hoping it would be there when I awoke.It wasn't.oh well...

phew!! what a type-fest (and a read-fest!).my arms are tired.any comments?  I would like some actually-especially about the crystal and the temple (or any questions,comments otherwise)...

I was browsing books on amazon.com and came across this one.I've never read it, but it seems fascinating.

these are mexican sorcerers who claim to be able to change themselves into animals...

then I got thinking about tibetan monks who can change the color of their eyes...

could these 2 vastly different cultures have  common techniques of majick to accomplish these tasks?



do you think curiousity will kill the cat?[xx(]

is this a potentially positive path to explore?

you can blame it on chronic reading disease[]

Is this possible?
I ask this because I recently had a lucid dream that was WAY to solid! and when I stared at things...THEY STAYED THE SAME![:O]

it was a place for initiates of some kind.

I'll have to ask for the names of these places...

does anyone ever have these kinds of experiences?!

I'm not familiar with the way of the sufi by any means,but I had a really interesting dream...

there was a painting of a sufi master.he was sitting cross-legged,or in the lotus position.he held his hands up to his face in a certain way,along with a certain tilting of the head.he then started to crackle all over w/blue electricity.then I adopted this position.I felt a sense of extreme joy and happiness, and I started flying everywhere.

the position is this:

take your left hand.place it just in front of your left eye, maybe 2-4 inches from your eye.not sure if the palm is toward or away from you, so experiment and see what happens.then,take your right hand,and place it furthur away,in front of your right eye,a few inches or so furthur away from the head than the left.again, I'm not sure about the position of the palm,so try both ways in various combinations w/the left hand.then,tilt your head to the left.shift around and fine tune the positions.you might want to try raising energy in this position.

I did a furthur meditation after the dream, and got the feeling that if you got just the right combination of postions, it would be like opening a conduit to pure energy and power of some form.

hopefully I described it clearly enough.please post any opinions or questions.does it sound like it has a  parallel w/any postural meditation of some other form?  -like a form of yoga, or maybe tensegrity? (which involves adopting various postures in order to shift the assemblage point of perception.it's based on the works of Castaneda).

I would really like to find out more about this![]

I awoke earlier than usual this morning,so I decided to use the time to attempt a projection (I think it was more like a phasing experience,but I'm not sure).

it started out as a lucid dream of a place I've never been to but was familiar somehow.it was a short dream,which ended.then a false-awakening dream began, in which I was rolling around in bed.In this dream ,I realized I still had my glasses on, so I took them off.
then that dream ended.I was lucid w/ no dream for a brief period.then the darkness became really deep and 3 dimensional,until it resolved into a field of thousands of stars.I was having problems w/my vision being too narrow-like looking through a telescope.I was also having problems finding the mental momentum needed for movement, so I used my "guide-on-the-end-of-a-rope-pulling-me" technique.the guide was a ball of light this time.then,I came to an area of total nothing,just darkness.I had some ideas of things I would like to do-but I couldn't get anything to happen.usually I have to really control and focus my thoughts in order to NOT have something happen!
I felt like I had something over my "astral eyes",so I pulled them off like a sheet (I actually had sheets over my physical eyes),and it effectively ended the experience-the darkness became more infused w/light,then glowing static.then I heard the sound of the fan in my room.the rest of my physical senses came on-line and I noticed that my legs were really bugging me from not being bent slightly,to reduce the strain on the legs and back.the covers were still completely covering my whole body,including my head.

questions-is it possible that my body didn't like having the covers totally covering and restricting it, plus the factor of the legs not being comfortable,that could have caused the confusing disruptions in the experience- vision and movement problems,etc?

that's what I think went wrong,but any opinions are greatly appreciated![8D]

...then after than an invisible entity tried to attach itself to me! this happened while I was meditating in the morning.I used my astral arms to try to push it away, but it didn't work,so I waved my arm, giving it a big surge of energy to see if it would go away.it went away,and I could feel it getting less present.the the son of a grump (pardon my french) came back for more![!] thats's a little greedy,don't you think? after that,I got up, and turned the light on,since I'd heard that some negs can't stand light.after a little while I went back to sleep,and it didn't bother me again.

the cord snapping was painful,and, since I'm still alive, I know it wasn't the silver cord (unless I'm cordless right now, and just waiting to drop dead!!![:O][:O][:O][xx(].could it have been something that I was disengaging from me (or that I tore off?)then trying to re-attach?

If you notice that jason doesn't come to astral pulse anymore,you know what happened...[V][]

I just hope I can continue to do it,because it was INCREDIBLE[8D].I also think I might have a new technique for everyone to try.
I awoke around 9:00am rested and relaxed, so I decided to try an astral projection based on a technique I developed a number of years ago.I deeply relaxed my body and stilled the mind.every once in a while during this process I tried to activate the will to just get up and walk away from my body.If it didn't happen the first or second time,I just kept up the relaxing/focusing then tried again.On the 2nd or 3rd try it worked, but I was so close to my body that I couldn't escape the strong pull back to it no matter what I did.based upon that I tried a new technique in which I visualised a guide ahead of me in the expanse of my mind (based on robert monroes technique).attached to the guide is a rope, with my astral body on the other end.I then willed the guide to simply pull me out of,and away from my body.If you are deep enough,the result will be automatic.I didn't have any vibrations at all,just a sense of warmth.me and the guide began to travel very,very fast.we then entered a tunnel of concentric coloured rings (red I think).we passed through a barrier in the form of a wall or ceiling, then came to an earth like place.it was a snowy landscape,and we just flew over it.I was having vision problems,so I said "clarity,please!"(I'm so    polite[]).things became cleare,but I still couldn't see with my whole field of vision,so I concentrated on the parts that I could see,and they kind of "bloomed",and filled my whole field of vision.the whole projection lasted over half an hour,so I'm sure I don't remember all the middle parts.I do remember looking at my astral arms and noticing that they were shiny and colourful on the edges,and dark in the center.we passed through several more tunnels of coloured rings of light.towards the later part of the projection,we came to places that had the most incredible colors I've ever seen.one place had an abundance of light, pastel colors.this place had these wierd "plants" (for lack of better word) that were in the shape of long feathers,but they were smooth and had round holes in them.the sky here was astonishingly deep,and there were light bluish-purple (as far as I can remember) cumulous clouds in the dark purple sky.the last place we came to was a natural world similar to earth-it had trees,fields and hills,and animals,but the colors here were "super-surreal intensity", and the colors making up the fields,trees were completely different than what we are used to (lots of vivid oranges,yellows,reds).I was just blown away by this place,so I (we?) landed.I noticed a huge mouse and rabbit near some plants.I asked the mouse what this place was called.it made a series of squeeks.I asked it what it was again, and it made the same series of noises.I realized this would be of no help at all,but I said to myself "I'm definately coming back".I didn't know exactly how I would do that though.me and my guide flew away, and I felt that the guide was weakening after pulling me so far, so I said "thank you!" and let myself descend back to my body.I then sat up in bed and said something to the effect of "holy excrement!".

I have several questions: I have noticed that I have trouble comprehending and figuring out how to move around in the astral body.I don't want to have to rely on guides with ropes to get me around! any advice on movement in the astral body? it's just so different from the physical way of doing things.also: is it possible to mentally obtain the gateway symbols for various planes,in order to get back there easily?

I saw a tv show about crop circles a few days ago,and I have also heard of people using symbols to reach certain areas of the astral (such as the cover of astral dynamics).naturally, I put them together.
I know some of them are fake,but others seem to be "steamed" into place.

has anyone tried this? just an idea I thought of...

this happened this morning (june 1).I was relaxing in bed,AWAKE.I had the covers compltely covering my eyes.I then felt something make it's way over the top of me,floating over the bed.it felt like a heavy presence (not physically heavy,just negative and intrusive).it completlely surrounded the area above me.I thought "hmmm,maybe it's sleep paralysis".I noticed that my legs were bent,so I straightened them, hoping to break the "spell" (for want of better term).instead of breaking the spell,it moved,and stood at my feet,pressing them.it then kept repeating a short phrase,which I couldn't quite make out.This was when I got ticked of at it,so I quickly sat up and tried to grab it,but then it dissapeared.I pulled the covers off of my head and eyes. there was nothing there.

what the hell was that?

If I wasn't completely awake,able to move, and aware of my body I would have thought it was sleep paralysis.I have had so many sleep paralysis experiences over the years that they don't frighten me at all anymore.I guess this is why I was able to get my wits together and not panic.

comments,advice, and relating experiences,etc, would be really appreciated!

is this show real or not?

it is a tv show in which people are challenged to spend 2 nights in some of the most haunted places on the face of the earth.if they succeed they win $5000.many people are obviously traumatised after being there,and I can't help but think that it is a STUPID thing to do...

I've tried it twice now.the first time I tried it,my eyes fluttered for a couple minutes,then my body began to feel "wavy", and finally became very numb all over.It was a very relaxing,pleasurable experience,and it doesn't just disappear after the cd is over.I suppose it's possible to go deeper by yourself after the cd is done,as long as there aren't any major distractions.

I could do w/out the speech which takes up 15 of the 20 minutes though! are there any simple, single or double cds (or whatever) that uses the "binaural pulse technique" (hemi-sync/holo sync,etc) to help induce the mind awake/body asleep state?

there are things like the "gateway" experience, and the holo-sync program,but they're all "super-expensive-34-trillion-year programs".

I just need ONE CD.the demo is cool[8D],but I would like to find something that takes things furthur.

maybe the "awakened minds-insight" cd mentioned elswhere? or has anyone tried any of the single cd "hemi-sync" products?

help would be appreciated[]

this is a question I have wondered about for some time now.does how we eat (and drink) effect anyones ability to project conciously?
I ask this because I am just getting over a chocolate addiction[].I am still addicted to coke/pepsi,etc. (he he... "addicted to coke"...).Once a dream character dressed in blue told me that m&m's are "anti-static"(vibrations).me(spiderman) and superman were eating some,and the blue character didn't want any.it was kind of funny[].