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how about what color would you give to the numbers ...? from 0 to 9 say?

0 -black
1 - white
2 - yellow
3 - orange
4 - green
5 - blue
6 - red
7 - yellow
8 - green
9 -brown or purple?

carrot possibly because it is the first one coming up to the mind.. with its orange color it springs easily within the neurones...

The other explanation was from Nay, a Freudian explanation, when you repeat six, six, six, six, ... very fast, you get almost sex, sex, sex,... and so one has a tendancy to chose either "carrot", or "cucumber", or even (weird) "celery", or (by mistake) "banana",..

very Freudian

as to the red hammer, red is the strongest color of all.... the hammer comes very "handy" as a tool, it is the one everyone would think about when you think of "tools", especially if you chose red before, then of course you need to have a "strong" tool that goes with the "strong" color, and there you go... as to the number it did not work as well. ....

I once had (24 years ago) a spontaneous OBE while sleeping straight into the physical plane...

I was sleeping at my sister place, and she arranged a bed in the balcony, since there were not enough room for all of us there. I fell asleep on my back. Then I had this experience that at the same moment I interpreted as being a dream that I was dying. I felt vibrations over all my body and started to fly up. I could see/feel myself down under me, laying on the bed. Then I started drifting to the living room where my deceased grand-ma was sitting quietly, busy doing something that I cannot remember. She did not pay too much attention to me and I did not pay to much attention to her. Then I think it all turned into a dream which I forgot. The next morning I was sure I dreamed (a lucid dream) that I was dying because I "went" out of my body.It is only much later, when I read about all that, that I realised I had a spontaneous OBE while sleeping in the real physical plane.

Let me add, that it seems to turn only when your eyes are moving. It you stare at it with no eye movement at all, then it does not spin....

And don't get "stuck", or "hypnotized", or something else....

Dear Shark,

It is well known in medicine that people who have suffered injuries (from accident, war,..) and are missing a limb (for example) can still feel pain from that limb, or other sensation such as itching, ...etc...

This is because first of all the nerve that was extending all they way to the limb from the spine, still exists, even though it has been cut, it is still there and can still give some signal from time to time. The other thing is that the brain has created a whole area in the cortex (the outer part of the brain) for that limb (before it was lost) and therefore that area of the brain, if excited in one way or another (by small nervous electric currents), can produce the sensation of the limb as if it was there.

Our brain and mind can deceive us.

Good luck with your practice of Energy!

You might want to have a look at a proffesional journal such as
The Lancet   http://www.thelancet.com/

You have to register (it is free) to be able to access their journal with articles. Many articles are free, and most abstract of the articles are free.

Do a search there on "phantom limb"

here is an example of abstract of an article retrieved from there:

Phantom limb pain is a frequent consequence of the amputation of a body part. Based on the finding that phantom limb pain is
                   closely associated with plastic changes in the primary somatosensory cortex and animal data showing that behaviourally relevant
                   training alters the cortical map, we devised a sensory discrimination training programme for patients with intractable phantom
                   limb pain. Compared with a control group of medically treated patients, the training group had significant reductions in phantom
                   limb pain (p=0#65533;002) and cortical reorganisation (p=0#65533;05) that were positively associated with improved sensory discrimination
                   ability.

There are here two aspects to consider: (1) in the astral realm (2) in the physical realm.

In the physical realm one can maybe travel in the future, as it is done with atomic clock traveling in orbit around the earth. This is just according to the theory of relativity where the time "unit" is different for two observers with a relative velocity. So, for someone on earth, the clock in orbit around the earth is going more slowly and is getting older more slowly. It is by accelerating particles to high speed that one can observe them for a longer time. These are particles that have a life time very short (they transform into, for example, two other particles), and therefore we are unable to observe them. Now if we observe them while they have a large speed, then their life time is longer and we can proceed more easily with the experiment.

Now, let us have a look again in the Physical, but this time going backward in time. If someone can go backward in time, then she (let us assume that person is a she) can go back say to last year, 2002, and kill her old self from 2002. Then as she does that, she will have killed herself from 2002 and the years to come. So, today, in year 2003, she should not exist, since she died last year. So if she does not exist, she cannot travel in time to the past, and therefore cannot kill herself. And if she does not kill herself in 2002, then she can travel back in time from 2003 to 2002, etc... So we see that this is not consistent with simple logic: to be or not to be? to be AND not to be !

Therefore in the physical one cannot travel to the past.

In the astral one can travel to the past and future, however one cannot interact with the physical world, otherwise it would make it the same as with the physical traveler who killed herself.

So the price for traveling in time is that we can only observe and cannot interact with the physical.

I personnally believe that the future already exist and it is waiting for us to "live it". When one has premonitions (premonitory dreams) one taps into that future and get information.

Shaman The Dreamer

Sorry often I type faster than I can spell... and then because my fingers are so large I often hit more than one key at a time... kind of not very easy...   []

Thanks all for your replies, yes it help me to figure out a little what's going on. I am just trying to understand. And the best is to collect experiences about it and only after that to try to speculate about it. So, it does seem that these dark entities also approach normal people who are in good health, not only those affected in one way or another. It also seems that sometimes they are "bound" to a house and might be the spirit (or the "left over" of a spirit - for example created by strong thougths) of someone who suffered in that house.

Has anyone ever try to actually talk to them, rather than walk away from them / fight them ?

thanks again.
Shaman the Dreamer
(pardon my appearence, someone has just made me grumpy)

OK, so I am 31/4 and Taurus, I noticed that the definition of the Taurus is about the same as 4, and I was born on the year of the bull in the Chinese callendar, which adds up to the taurus even more... So the conventional astrology, chinese astrology and "the method of number", all agree together that I am supposed to be very patient, with a strong will, tenacity, bound to the earth, materialist, trusty, loyal,...


I do not AP/OBE easily, only a few times, but I have many premonitory dreams, premonitions,... So I guess that having a gift for the premonition/spiritual things, is against the nature of the taurus/bull/31/4 ... for the rest I am pretty much the way I am supposed to be "going head forward, nothing can stop me... at least not with a tank... you need a smile to stop me.." (The Incredible Hulk)


Shaman The Dreamer

Sorry Sophie, I thought that you were posting together the message, but I understand that you were only helping Lau to put the picture online...
Sorry for the confusion, Confutatis! []

My apologies  []

Sheron,

A Lucid Dream is a dream in which you take conscious that you are dreaming... It is for those who can reach a higher consciousness... nothing to do with "psycho"...

I am afraid you have just make me become kind of grumpy ... watch out as I get upset I become big and green!!!!!

Shaman The Dreamer

Thanks HyperD for agreeing to be an indirect subject of experiment.  

Let me tell you that once in a LD I decided to ask the stary night sky to tell me the future (the stary night sky looks to me like addressing almost God), and instead of an answer with words or pictures, the only answer I got was a feeling of fear engulfing me, as if either the future is going to be "awfull" or as if I had actually digged into my very own self back to some very painfull experience.... The LD turned almost into a nightmare. So well than in another LD, when I saw the stary night sky, I immediately look down to avoid looking at it or asking it any question....

So you might want to be ready for that kind of answer too, and I hope you will be more sucessfull than me.

Good luck!

Well, let's see some of the issues addressed here...
if you are a lieutnant or so, you might have about 50 persons under your command (say a company, or battery of artillery; the company might have a different meaning in the French army, where they also have Regiments - a french companie might have 2000 soldiers! more like a brigade or large batallion; The Regiment is more like a large brigade; For example the 3rd companie of the second Regiment of Infantry in the French Foreigner Legion).

A captain might have a little more. The next ranked officer, I think is called a major in English, not sure about that one, can have the command of a whole batallion, which is a few hundred people at least (can be as large as 500, even 1,000).
A battallion is made of 3-4 companies, plus additional staffs. A lieutnant-colonel might also be the commander of a batallion.

A brigade is made of 3-4 battalions. Usually there are armor brigades together with infantry ones, to make up the division. A brigade can be already pretty large, with additional staff such as engineers, mechanics, etc... A brigade can be as large as 3,000 troops or more. The brigadier is the officer in command of the brigade.

The Division is the smallest unit capable of carrying out a military task (say attacking a front, a city, etc..) and which contains all what is needed for that: infantry, tanks, artillery, etc...
A division can be anywhere between 10,000 up to 20,000 troops roughly, usually more like 12,000-15,000 troops. A division can be made up of one armor brigade (tanks), two infantry brigades and can be supplemented with batallions of artillery, batallions of engineering, etc.... Some divisions might be extrelly large with huge proportions, such as 30,000 troops.

An Army is made of many Divisions, depending from country to country.

The war in Irak, Afghanistan is a war, and as such it is of course no fun. Wars are the same everywhere.

Now there are 200,000 US soldiers on the land in Irak I think, with about 30,000 british troops (I think). There is about 1 killed everyday with about 5 wounded (say). There is about the equivalent of  15 divisions in Irak... but basically the fighting is taken by only a few large divisions. Many are in surounding seas (US carriers).

It is not a surprise that the troops have to fight guerilla style attacks, as it was the same in similar wars, such as the war of Lebanon in 1982. For any occupying army that intends to stay for a long time, sooner or later guerilla will start. Here in Irak it was not a surprise that also suicide bombers are entering the picture, exactly like in Lebanon. The US did not have many casualities in the war itself, and that too was expected. I think the main problem is that people do not know what war is, and so they though that we already won it in Irak. It is not true, it is a long way to the end and one has to be patient. In vietnam the US had up to 500,000 troops and lost about 50,000 troops; the french had there about 50,000 troops and lost more than 10,000 troops! The US troops in Irak were well prepared for the battles in the earliest phases of the war, but they were not prepared for the present situation. The thing is that everyone in the US army has now to learn his/her new task, from the highest ranked officer down to the soldier. It is by being there and having a hard time that the US army is learning how to deal with the new situation. One has to keep in mind that the US troops are in populated areas and therefore it is very difficult to protect yourself and at the same time not to be too extreme with the local population. If you are too tolerant with the local population they might come with suicide bombers in cars (etc) , and if you shoot at every moving thing you might well kill too many civilians. So the situation is not easy.

Usually during the war itself, the troops have more easy psychologically speaking, because that's what they were prepared for, that's how they trained. Once the war (battles) was finished and won, the situation changed and it is now new for everyone. The soldiers were not prepared for that. Now they have stress as they do not know from which direction it is coming on them (a shooting from a house, a side bomb, a suicide bomber in a car, etc...). They now have more time to sleep and rest than during the first phase, and so they have also more time to ruminate that over and therefore there are more chances that people will get depressed.

An important thing to remember, like in Vietnam, is that one can win all the battles and still lose the war. The question is what is the purpose of the war, was this purpose reached?

As back to the dreams of the soldier, it would be interesting to check that maybe some of the dreams he has might be more than just dreams.. maybe real OBEs in time and places, maybe premonitions of more attacks, etc....

Laura,

that's a wonderfull posting! you are facing the problem by facing it and are not afraid of holding the bull by his horns if I might say....

You question is basically "prove me that the astral is a reality and not just a dream"... well first of all there are many here who could give you personal example where they got the proof for themselves, and they got real proof, not just "believe", but they cannot give you a proof. Let me be more precise, someone (say A) OBE and in the OBE met someone else (say B). The next day that person (B) mentions that she had a dream about A and when A and B meet they find out they had the same dream... So that is a proof for A and B but not for you I guess.

So I suggest you to be patient, I will try to give you a proof to YOU.  These proofs are as follows: I have from time to time premonitory dreams, where I see events, and these events happen a few days later. In many cases these are not personal events, but events that can be checked in the news. Is that a proof good enough for you that these IS something there. (what is it is another question).

I already posted such a "proof" in the prophecy and divination section under the title "premonitions in the middle east", where the main vision was a "political" one, where Israeli PM Sharon was calling for the troops to enter the palestinian territories. As you will see there are additional things which I have been unable to interprete, but the basic "vision" was correct. Is that enough for you? Laura? Sophie? (I am not sure I think you are together).

Shaman The Dreamer

Hyper D,

Since it seems that you have so many LD and have much controle over having them and over youself there... May I suggest you to do another kind of experiment in your LD:

When you are LD, ask anyone in your dream if she/he can tell the future... you can ask personal questions or more general questions about some events in the news. I guess for the purpose of experimenting it might be easier to ask a question about something that will be found in the news. You might want to be extremely specific such as: "do you know when is the next earthquake that will kill many people in the world? in which country? "  or you might want to try something more in the politics such as "Is Saddam going to be caught? When? etc...". Next you can post that here on the forum, with the question and the answer and we will all be able to check that out .... and see if some people in your LD can tell you the future....

How about that kind of experiements?

Now remember that the dreams, LD, OBE easily come with symbolism, not straightforward...

Squeek,

Memory for Music does not take place at the same location in the brain... People ill with the  Alzeimer desease (not sure how to spell that one, sorry; but that desaese is for older people usually) do have a loss of memory that would affect them badly, but, however, they would not loss the ability to play music, read music, etc... Practicing music and musical instrument happens to develop more nerves at the base of the brain. If this loss of memory is bothering you that much, then why not visit the physician ? It is true that sleep, balanced diet, etc.. will help you (you might need some basic vitamins maybe?), but there might also be a more serious problem, and it is better to check that out.

I hope you will not forget to check the answers on your own posting...

Good luck! and I hope it is nothing!!!

Leyla, and others maybe...

If you read the original posting, than it is more than what the title says. The title was there to attract readers, but the subject is mainly that when we OBE into another reality than the physical world, then I suggest than OBE are similar to dreams in that sens that they need interpretation, as dreams come in symbolism most of the time (but not always). As to your relative who had a surgery, many people who do have surgery and NDE have an OBE in the physical world and therefore what they see is exactly the physical. Here for sure no need for interpretation. But as beavis said dreams can also come in the physical. I can recall a dream that happened the next day to be the actual vision of a deja vu when I was a kid. The dream not only can be in the complete physical too, but can be in the future. More often however these are not in the physical, as many OBEs too are not close to the physical, and my suggestion is that they need interpretation. The last sentence is explainging the title of the posting with : dreams are OBEs....

Shaman the Dreamer

Hey there!!

Yes I have thought about plants and how they might feel. But there is no more option left... I cannot eat rocks...with water to dilute them... and also as I wrote their life form is so different that I do not suffer as much when I kill a plant as if I had to kill a dog. The animals are physically very close and have even facial expression.. ;which is not the case for the plants. It happens that I have to kill insects, and even then I do not feel too confortable at doing it, but otherwise I will be infested with bugs and might even get all kind of dangerous sickness (lime desease comes from deer ticks, etc...). So knowing how we human are treating the nature so badly, I only try to do my best, and that's as far as I can try.

The studies I have heard is that plants react to how we handle them, but how do we now they are "screaming" and "suffering"? They surely have broken chemical bounds when we cut them, and these bounds can produce heats and maybe induce tiny electric currents and electromagnetic waves. However, they do not have a nevours cental system or any other system of ganglions similar to animal and insect respectively. So they do respond to what we do to them, but I am not sure if there response is as bad as for a human. If you pull the arm of a human off, the chance are that that person will die pretty soon. you can cut a plant and it will continue as if nothing happened. Even more, if you put that cut part in water it will grow rooths and continue to live. So the plant realy dies when you cook it or eat it. And the system that can transport information from one part of the plant to another is pretty slow, so that I do not think that the plant really suffer, and if it does is soooooo different than what we can experience as advanced bilogical machines.

It seems however that our thoughts can influence how a plant grow. It seems to me that when we thinkg of plants with good thoughts it grows better than if we feel that plant bother us. Though I still have to experiment to check if it can be proven.

Cheers,
Shaman The Dreamer

Don't squeeze me!!

The sqeeze state is also known as the second quantization in quantum physics....

The REM is the normal dreaming phase in the sleep, so that it is just perfect you are just right on taget! The twitch belongs to the same phase too.

As to the saliva, I got the same thing. And when I have a cold I even have apnea because of it. I can wake up in the middle of the night gapsing for air and the only solution is to sit up and then I just gasp loudly AAAAAHHHHHH to a fresh breath of O2.... The only way to avoid that for me is to lay on my tomy rather than on my back. And if I lay on my back I need to have my chin up to open up the airway in my throat.

Good luck!
Mengadien Laviosa... switch and wish...

Just I was missing here to add oil to the fire...

Now, with all these postings I even forgot the username of the person who posted the original.... hyperdimensional ...

There is here an important point to draw the line: it is between normal dreams and lucid dreams. In normal dreams it might have happened to many people to have very weird dreams, involving incest, killing, or mutilating, etc... and these usually might appear as nightmares or as fun dreams, but they are dreams where the person is not lucid and has apparently no control, and where all the dream is "chanelled" from the unconscious part of that person. The lucid dream is different in that the person can (and here maybe it needs to be checked) have complete awareness that it is a dream and complete control (though as I said there might still be a large part of unconscious stuff coming up to the surface in the lucid dream). So in the lucid dream, the person say, whooow, it is just a dream, so let us try this and that. If the decision of doing things come from the conscious part of the person during the LD, then I would say that the person is aware of the things he is experimenting and this can certainly in a way or another affect him - I understand that one can fantasizes in his dream about having sex with a nice girl, but I do not understand how it is possible to fantasize about killing people...! even when you dream and you know it is a lucid dream. Anyhow, I believe that the main problem is that it might really affect the dreamer. The other problem that I see is that one day that person will be in the real physical world and will think it is a lucid dream and he will kill someone by mistake.

So, hyperdimensional, I belive you know that you are reaching the line when you experiment in your lucid dreams.

I just have one good thing to tell you HyperD, I believe that when you experiement in the LD, you actually interact directly with your unsconscious part of your mind. So that you have found a way to communicate with your deep self. And I believe that while in lucid dreams, most of your acts (sex, killings,...) are originating from your unconscious mind... so that after all you just are revealing your deep self to everyone here and also are discovering who you POTENTIALY are...

By the way, hyperdimensional, are you Ignacio, originally from Argentina, you look like him on your avatar..? and you speak (write) like him.

Time exists, otherwise you would not be able to write on this forum, as all the computers you are using are based on physics!!!!! and fundamental physics too. What you experience as biological entities can seem to you as an illusion, but sure in order for you to have illusion you need to eat, drink, sleep, etc.. otherwise you just die. If you think all that is an illusion, sure you do have an illusion. Time exists and we are trapped in it!! as macroscopic particles we can only be under the classical laws of physics where time goes forward. that's what is time, it is this sensation of illusion, but that's real, as it happens everyday all the time, it is a reality way beyond your own mind. If it was not for biology, none of us would be here on the planet to debate anything.

The physical world with its big band has been proven to be true to me and to be a reality. It is not the case for the multidimentional astral realm.... it seems it is just something coming the very own human mind.

Did you try to see if you also see that aura around object. If it is the effect I think about, you see it also around things. For that you need to take something that has the same color than your hand (approximately bright say) and put it exactly in the same light environment as your hand was, and you will see like a tiny border to it, like for your hand, it is an optical effect.

Begrijp jij?

The theory of the big band is scientifically based and self consistent in that it can explains many things, such as the creation of sub atomic particles, atomic particles, etc... at the very beginning, it explains the expansion of the universe, that is actually accelerating.

Now comes the astral. The astral has not been proven scientifically to be correct or true or to be in another dimension. We cannot mix apples with potatoes as they are different and I don't think that we can ask a question about when the astral was created... It is more like almost a religious point of view where one could say that astral came first as in the religion God was there first as the cause of everything. I believe the astral at this point is more of a spiritual dimension and therefore it requires "spirits" to exist.

As to what can be accomplished in the astral. it is like in dreams, it looks as if everything is fiction. So a lucid dream like the one depicted has a psychological interpretation for sure. thanks goodness it is not reality but just a lucid dream! What people have in "mind"  all "just for fun", makes me think some people need serious help (who posted that lucid dream about killing and incest? he might need a psychologist to speak with).

You see the physical world is a reality from which we sure cannot escape and in which we have a duty, whether it is to study, to be a parent, or whatever, and that reality comes way first before the astral realm, which existence stil needs to be proven.

Even if we are cosmic dust, and there is no apparent reason for life, there is still a right and a wrong, in that sens that wrong hurts people and right helps people, and I chose to help rather than to hurt. That's a reality that comes before everything.

Best to you.

No that looks more like a normal optical effect in the eye. This is not aura. Actually I haven't seen any aura ... some people claim it is electromagnetic waves emitted by the body, well then the only one that I know is due to the temperature of the body, and therefore it is in the infra-red. When you look in the infrared (with a special camera) you can see what part of the body is hotter , etc... if someone has a flu, sure his sinus might be warmer, etc... but I do not know of anyone who is able to see in the infra-red with his own eyes!!! I never saw a bright luminous aura around anyone. What I think is that it is rather visible in the astral world, and that people who are able to see with their astral eyes while in the physical are able to see aura. but that's another story, as the astral itself is kind of a strange world. I never met anyone like neither. I know I am a sceptic, but that's why I am here to see if anyone can bring some real proof...