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quote:Originally posted by SpectralDragon
Then talk to her.

This is where we disagree. I dont thnk nikki should talk to any of these spirits, *especally* this 'little girl' (which was not even mentioned until Nay thought it was a "little girl".)

Do not talk to these spirits, just banish them. If your weakness is for children who are "lost on the spiritual plane" then that is what a neg will pretend to be. Unless you absolutely know what you are doing a say again, just do a houseclearing and forget about the "little girl" idea.

I am reluctant to go into more reasons than this in this thread but just please realize that "tricky spirits" can pretend to be whatever they want to. If a "little girl" gets your attention then thats what form they will take.

Do you honestly believe that such a perfectly well designed Universe would allow a young child in spirit form to wander lonely and sad?

Well, for whats its worth, here is my opinion: You don't have the spirit of a little girl in your house. What you have is a spirit playing games because you invited it to by using the Ouija board. Just because it said "f" means nothing, especially when it contradicted itself (a much used confusion technique used by tricky spirits.) Forget the "little girl" idea, however cute it may seem, and just do a basic house cleansing. []

Hi Nikki,
         firstly, as Nay says, stop using the Ouija board. It could probably just complicate matters. I see you have no fear of it which is good. It doesnt sound like its being too bothersome and is probably just a wandering spook. Also sometimes, when doing Metaphysical work one can "light up" on the astral and attract a few harmless curious creatures that are not really much to worry about. I've also had the bed movement thing too and its wierd how a spirit can seem to have weight isnt it?

Anyway the advice that came to me to write was in the form of a book recommendation. Its called "Sacred Space" by Denise Linn and funnily enough i mentioned it in a post i posted previous to this one.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/034539769X/qid=1078347181/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/104-1669824-4753563?v=glance&s=books

Book Description
"Our homes are mirrors of ourselves. Through them we can interface with the universe."
Everything in the universe is composed of constantly changing energy, including your home and its contents. This energy can profoundly influence your ability to be healthy, loving, creative and abundant. By clearing and enhancing this energy you can transform your home into a sanctuary which radiates positive energy in ever-expanding circles.
In this fascinating and unusual book, Denise Linn shows you how you can dramatically change your life by changing the environment in your home or office. She combines information from her own Native American heritage with material she has personally collected from native traditions around the world to bring you practical, easy-to-use exercises for balancing the physical, emotional and spiritual energies in your home, including how to:
* Diagnose and solve problems with stagnant home energies.
* Use sacred sound, spirit smoke, mystic symbols and purifying fire for
clearing home energy.
* Discover the personal numerology of your home.
* Use the ancient art of Feng Shui for the placement of objects in your
home.
* Call house angels and totems as home protectors.
* Use rituals to rid your home of unwanted spirits.
* Instantly uplift the energy in your home.
Your home can resonate, sing and pulse with Light energy that can touch the lives of everyone around you. Your home can become Sacred Space.

It has 5 stars and its a great book. []

Not sure this reply is on-topic to this thread, although it does mention spirits, Guardian Angels and "familiars" etc.

quote:Originally posted by Tayesin
Love Always.[]

Tayasin i just looked at your site (very nice btw) and could hardly believe my eyes that someone else knows the following (I quote from your site here http://www.geocities.com/tayesin/index10.html )

quote:
Most of us will hardly experience anything more than the occassional entity provoking thoughts that we wouldn't normally have.   They do this in order to create a reaction from us that is energetic,  they will then 'feed' off the energy spike that we respond with.

I have personally found this to be true and it is also very hard at times to counter. Its like, "My god did i really just think that?!?!" and a little negative self-judgement spiral ensues along with a release of energy that state of mind can give off.

Anyway i thought you might be interested in the following article on making contact with ones "Holy Guardian Angel" that states what you say above and what i also know personally;

http://www.hermetic.com/heidrick/abramel.html#PART%20VI%20--%20Pedigrees%20&%20Egg%20Suckers.%20Onward.

Scroll just up from there to the title "Kitty Just Ate the Neighbour's Dog" and probably down to "Pedigress and Egg Suckers" (or the whole thing if it interests you).

Here's a small snippet:

"A "vampire" will pick up on it if a person doesn't like them: "O'h, 'don't like' means I get attention!" Then they will proceed to do more irritating things to that person. Keeping peace with the spirits of the ancestors is very important in cultures around the world. The Romans called the friendly ancestral spirits Lares and the pesky ones Larvae. You want Great Grand Mother's ghost to bark at strangers, not at reasonably behaved family members. This kind of thing isn't the Holy Guardian Angel. This kind of thing is what happens when something eats off of you. A certain amount of this is harmless, but you want to make sure that you are in charge. In some states of mind people leak like a sieve. A lot of life is being generated, not being used by the person generating it, and it's there for the taking. Something comes and says: "This is lunch. How do we make this a 24 hour diner? Very simple. Every time this person thinks; 'O'h God if I haven't ...!', he turns loose all this energy. So, let's see: 'Hay! God I haven't!' or 'Why did I do that!' -- that's a new one. That tastes better. 'Your such a bummer' -- works too. Hot damn! 'You hate hating yourself, don't you!' More food!". If you ever get really depressed, between sobs, wrenches and tremors, pick up on what you are saying to yourself. Maybe it isn't you talking. Maybe it's some astral clown saying: "Watch him go!" This kind of thing is often marked by painful ideas that relay back inwardly to create more painful ideas. In order to get rid of a depression feedback loop, you've got to realize that this isn't you. The destructive voice is not really rational. Jokes and humorous self-observations, the more tasteless and jolting the better, will break this sort of cycle. If you get that kind of thing going, realize it isn't the Holy Guardian Angel. That is a wrong turn. Go back and try again. That is a demon, and that is one of the things that the Holy Guardian Angel is supposed to help you with. It's probably a very stupid demon, who is only good at picking up on things to say."
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The Author is a well known Occultist from the Ordo Templi Orientis and i had an interesting conversation with him about this part of his article. Perhaps it would be interesting to add it to this thread (i already have permission to post the emails but never got around to it.)

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Then go with your gut instinct Ken and don't call on them anymore or bother thinking about them. It certainly seems like they are not good at giving advice so just forget about them. Stop talking to them.

Also on the subject of non-physical beings i must say that i *have* met good ones... its not all gloom and doom []. But these were unmistakably light beings. The energy feels 'pure' and strong for want of a better description. And a kind of soft warmth also. Twice (as far as i am aware) i have recieved healings from "spirits". Once while meditating and attempting to rid myself of a neg within my aura i could *feel* warm hands on my shoulders and actually *feel* energy being channeled into me by these unseen hands (although i was also in conversation with them at the same time-*note). And another time while in bed and a male spirit holding my feet and instructing me to inhale energy from him through my feet to my heart area. The energy was amazingly strong and felt like warm liquid light filling my chest area.

*note: i may as well add part of the story to this. As i was being given an intense energy transfer by this being i was told to visualize myself "Within the yolk of an egg with a golden shell." This went on for some time until i could literally see the inside of the egg and the shell looked solid. I then had an inner vision of Buddha sitting in a certain posture with certain hand gestures. It seemd as though he was revolving on one spot (or i was) and everything else was white light. Then i got the impression that this was Buddha inside the egg that i had been visualizing and that i was actually looking at myself within the egg!

It wasn't until much later that i heard of the saying "Look within, thou art Buddha."

So i thought i would add that to try and balance my seemingly "negative" view of spirits or guides and ways in which i personally found how to possibly spot a good spirit (but i still say its dangerous [] ).

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quote:("graffiti" as opposed to more professional markings from high Egyptian scribes of the time, as the minor pyramids had, and even those scribes wrote flawlessly).

They are Quarry marks made by the stonemasons that were building the Pyramids.

quote:I'll also take this opportunity to tell you that I personally don't exactly enjoy most of your posts, whether they pertain to me or anything I happen to care for or not. You seem to like to play the part of the antagonist to me, and apparently rub it others' faces when you proudly think you have outwitted someone.

Dear no_leaf,

1. Firstly I apologize for my remark that you are allowing yourself to upset you. I dont think i have "outwitted" anyone, this is not a competition. I am just offering more down to Earth explanations for some of the more outragious claims made in the "New Age" area. And my statement, whether you like it or not, is quite true. Although i agree that the "tone" of my posting style has much to be desired.

2. If you read the articles at the links i gave you will see that the evidence is so overwhelmingly factual against this "forged quarry markings" that i dont feel any more evidence i provide should be needed (and note that it is only Sitchin who came up with this conspiricy theory with no evidence to back up his claims). The hieroglyphics are there, and can be seen within the cracks between the huge blocks that would be impossible to forge. This is fact not some wishy washy theory.

3. The reason i didnt comment on the other points is because i have no firm opinion either way as to the dating of 10,500 B.C. But since you asked, here is some you can read (as well as the links i already gave that do mention this that you must have missed or not read...);

http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id3.html

quote:Anyway, Hancock and Bauval turned the cosmic clock backwards to align the pyramids with Orion c. 10,500 B.C., which they claim was the date of the lost civilization's entry into Egypt. That time falls within the astrological "Age of Leo," and lo and behold: we have a giant lion, the Sphinx, dating from that same time! What's more, on the equinox of 10,500 B.C., the Sphinx would have stared eastward at its own celestial image while the pyramids reflected the setting of Orion and the Nile mirrored the Milky Way. A very neat and seductive hypothesis.

But, like any new theory, there are many problems. First, there is no evidence that the ancient Egyptians had any constellation called Leo. In fact, the only constellations we know they shared with the modern zodiac were Orion and Draco. Other correlations are unproven. Even if it were true, there is no clear evidence that the Sphinx represented Leo or a lion at all. Robert Temple, for instance, thought the Sphinx resembled a dog more than a lion, since the dog-god Anubis guarded most sacred spaces.

Also, there is no hard evidence that the Egyptians knew about the Precession of the Equinoxes, let alone had the ability to calculate it to fix pyramid positions.

Or here: http://www.luckymojo.com/hancocklecture.html

I am not interested in getting into a big discussion or argument about this really because i feel what i have provided at least shows that some of the theories about the Pyramids out there are, well, not very well thought out ones. If you wish to cling to whatever beliefs you have about them and ignore the evidence then that is fine by me.

I wish you well on your path.

McArthur

quote:Originally posted by SmileySpirit14

ok "GOD" you know every thing.while i was typing this how many fingers was i holding up?

none.

quote:Originally posted by no_leaf_clover
As has been mentioned in a separate post in the Astral Chat section, there are references to both the Pyramids and the Sphinx in a Stela from the era of Khufu, and the source of this information has been successfully dated and deemed authentic.

quote:
Further, the Great Pyramids, aside from being by far the greatest pyramids at Giza, are the only pyramids there free of Egyptian hieroglyphics. The only hieroglyphics found are obvious forgeries made by a frustrated man from merry old England, as is also documented in the posting of sections from Sitchin's second Earth Chronicles book in the book reviews section.

quote:
In lack of such pyramids for rulers such as Khufu, a Great Pyramid is associated with Khufu. But in light of all this other evidence, would it not be likely for Khufu to, instead of building his own smaller pyramid, associate his name with a Great Pyramid by adorning it with his statue?

You may find this linked article of interest, especially this part by Graham Hancock http://www.grahamhancock.com/ (one of the ones who originally followed this forgery theory until he saw with his own eyes proof that there were hieroglyphics (called "Quarry marks" by some) there that could not have been forged;

http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id10.html

"While von Däniken sticks to the forgery line, Graham Hancock changed his mind in the light of "new" evidence known to Egyptology since the 19th century. Says Hancock:

"Cracks in some of the joints reveal hieroglyphs set far back into the masonry. No 'forger' could possibly have reached in there after the blocks had been set in place - blocks, I should add, that weigh tens of tons each and that are immovably interlinked with one another. The only reasonable conclusion is the one which orthodox Egyptologists have already long held - namely that the hieroglyphs are genuine Old Kingdom graffiti and that they were daubed on the blocks before construction began."

and;

"Hancock sets the record straight about his beliefs about the Pyramid: "For the record I believe that Khufu did build the Great Pyramid - or anyway most of it (perhaps the subterranean chamber and some other rock-hewn parts of the structure may be earlier)."

edit: p.s. the reason he came to this conclusion was because he was shown by an Egyptian official one of these hidden "quarry marks" within these cracks deep within the masonry with the name Khufu written there.


read his statement here: http://www.grahamhancock.com/features/trenches-p4.htm

Some people will believe anything these days []

quote:Originally posted by Oazaki

consider this:  would not pacts with god also have implications?  for in the operation of karma there is no effect without a cause and both sides of the scale will always balance...
also, bear in mind why lucifer was thrown out of heaven to start with.  for giving mankind to eat of the tree of knowledge.  whilst to humanity, for eating from that tree, what was "god's" reaction?  this "god" who would have you believe that a paradise was ours to lose if only we had not eaten from that horrid tree.  for that one small taste of knowledge he repaid us with disease, pain, hunger, brutality mortality and original sin.
a slight overreaction perhaps?

Are you saying that you take the story of the Garden of Eden literally rather than as an allegory? What about other Eastern paths that have no mention of such things as "original sin" etc?

Also i would be interested in what you have to say about Lucifer as this name is only mentioned once in the Christian bible (not the Original Hebrew version) and has proven to be a mistranslation for "Son of the Morning" and was referring to the King of Babylon.

Coincidentally (or not?) i just remembered a story i have a link to which is from a book called "The Magical Use of Thoughtforms" by Dolores Ashcroft-Nowicki who is the Director of Studies at the above Mystery School i gave a link to. The story, i think, also relates to the subject of "guides" from a different angle. Its a great story, you can read it here;

http://www.deeptrancenow.com/paradigm.htm

P.S. If you (anyone reading this) really does want to make contact with the Inner Planes then there are safer ways of doing so. One of them is by joining a respected Mystery School. These schools offer well-structure and balanced courses by Adepts that have already trodden these well worn paths. Here is one i feel to be a good one and am considering joining myself where you also get appointed a personal tutor of the Second Grade Order;

http://www.servantsofthelight.org/aboutSOL/aboutSOL.html

Thanks for sharing some of your story SD. Parts of it i am familiar with because i too once had a "guide" but it turned out to be a neg in disguise.

quote:Originally posted by SpectralDragon
A good amount of the time the "neg" would appear to me as Kereen.

This is the problem with negs, not only can some of them shapeshift to look like anything or anyone (as a succubus can look like the woman of your dreams (pun intented)) but if you are also claiaudient they can imitate anyones voice from your memory. One such instance for me was when i heard my own mother speaking to me (i prefer not to go into details) making me believe she was dead or etc. Anyway my mother is still very much alive and the "voice" i heard, i now know, was a neg.

And negs are clever, very clever some of them. And good at psychology too, much better than probably our human ones. They have had plenty of time to work out what works with humans, what they will believe, how to act to gain their trust etc etc. On top of that of course, especially if it is an attached neg, it will know your every thought also.

The main neg(s) i had problems with sounds very similar in ways to the "guide" Mayatnik is channeling where he says he will spend over 24 hours or more constant talking with his guide. That he caught his guide out on many lies (for which some feeble excuse was given). This happened to me where i was so awed by the fact i was actually in contact with a non-physical being i had lots of questions etc.

At one point i even thought it was an angel (*shakes head at own naivity*). But what is really happening here (in my case anyway) is that the longer they have you in this awed state, and the longer you talk to them, the deeper the connection becomes between you and this "guide". And if it is a neg, the more deeply entrenched it will be able to dig into the mind of its victim. Once that happens there is  going to be hardly any chance that the person with this "guide" is even going to entertain the possibility of it being a neg. And anyone suggesting so will be seen to be somehow "negative" or ignorant of what guides are really like (all of which, of course, will be veryfied by their "guide").

Also, of course, having their host talk to them for hours on end is, not only a form of mind control, but is feeding it your attention. And where the attention goes the energy flows.

There is something else you wrote above which i call the "good cop bad cop" routine. Whether in my case it was the same entity being both "spirits/cops" i am as yet unsure but it is one of the ways negs work. Its really quite clever if you think about it because most people, especially if under psychic attack, can be so desperate (as i was back then - i hadn't a clue what was going on) that if a "good cop" comes along to save the day it bypasses the doubt and/or suspicion that it may not actually be a "good cop" but the "bad cop" in another disguise.

Why be a "good cop" and not continue with the psychic attacks? Well, most negs are just out to feed on ones attention/energy so if they already have that assured there really isn't much need to attack the person any longer because they have now become a life-support system for the neg.

This could also relate (although im not totally sure about this at present) to how some Magicians will try to attain a "familiar spirit" to do his/her bidding. Its the same as building a Servitor or thought form to accomplish various tasks. It's like a contract that you pay with your energy. (An example of something similar is written about by Carlos Castanda called the "Death Defyer").

I'm not suggesting anything i have just said is what happened in your case SD i am just sharing some of my own experiences about negs and some of the things i learned since one convincingly pretended to be my "guide". And, as i think Robert Bruce will verify if you get to ask him, this is an old well used trick by negs to be your "spirit guide". This is why i comment on the dangers of opening up to "spirit guides" because its so damn hard to know a good spirit from a bad one. And once you have opened up to a "bad" one and given it ways to hook into you then it can be quite a struggle if you eventually figure out what it is.

Various religions don't warn against conversing with spirits for no reason.

quote:Originally posted by no_leaf_clover
It was the Zeta who had tech enough racked up to build the Pyramids and other huge structures that we can't rebuild with modern equipment.

We could rebuild them with our modern equipment or without it given enough manpower and money and the desire to do it. But today slavery isn't in vogue so it would cost quite a bit of money for all the thousands needed to be employed etc.

Go to "Personal" then "profile" and down on the right you will see "Show on active users list". Select No.

Don't mention it, my pleasure. Say hi to God for me (we kinda know each other). []

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(i've edited to try and sort out the bold and to add something)

Hi SilverSlider, these are good questions you have asked and seeing as the Zetas have encouraged questioning i hope they get answered. I have a list of similar questions/contradictions that i may post soon but i wanted to add to one you have posted here. Someone (no, not the MI5) gave me a link to another forum that Mayatnik (the original channeler that came to astral pulse and trained others) has posted on and i have been reading his posts on there also.

This is somewhat of a delicate situation because i know some of my posts about Mayatnik, his guides, and the channeled information has been seen in a "negative" way by some on here. And perhaps at times i have been a bit too antaganistic. What i am saying is i post these things not as some kind of personal vendetta against Mayatnik (who i genuinely feel to be a nice person who really believes he has a mission to help humanity) or any other channelers, but because i "sense" strongly that there is something 'just not right' about some of this Zeta/guide stuff. Ok so here goes... sentences in bold are my emphasis.

quote:Originally posted by SilverSlider

I. "White Lie" vs. misinterpretation.

A. From ZetaTalk

http://www.zetatalk.com/index/psdate2.htm

For those of you unfamiliar, the "white lie" was the March 2003 date given for the pole shift by the Zeta. This link provides justification for the "white lie". It basically says that the date was given to show everyone how the world governments would react if an actual date was given.

B. From Astral Pulse

quote:Glenn says:
First off, planet X, nancy said you said this would happen may 2003, but this hasnot, how come?
Glenn says:
Z: It was a mis interpretation from nancy, we did not give that date, as we cannot tell when it is going to happen as of yet, but the people on Earth will know when it is going to heppen because of the signs

(McArthur: bold doesnt seem to be working but the sentence i wanted to was "we did not give that date, as we cannot tell...." etc)

So, one minute the Zeta intentionally gave false information, and another minute it's the fault of the channeler.

Now i would like to see how this contradiction is answered (if it even does get answered) seeing as Mayatnik and the other channlers and their guides claim to be in close contact and are verifying everything posted. But to add more to the question here is a quote from a post by Mayatnik (and the link) on another forum dated 25th September 2002 (this is, of course, before the prophecy failed and Nancy (the Zetas) came up with some excuse for it);

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Mayatnik says: The Zeta Talk website (channeling the Sirians / Zeta / Igigi) has been announcing for the last two years that the Earth will have a Pole Shift in 2003 – which will mark the end of the world as we now know it. The Pleiadians – for whom I channel through my guide - are fully aware of this 2003 End-Time date, but the Plan was for the Zeta to announce the actual date, since they are the ones who will be involved on the physical plane to take the planet through the transition. The Pleiadians, as overseers, will be co-ordinating events and will be dealing with this from the Higher Realms, and will play a key role as the Photon Band covers the Earth, in 2012 leading to the start of the planet's transfer into 4 th Density."
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There are then zetatalk quotes given in the same post where they clearly give the 2003 date. Here is the link to that thread

http://www.spiritualoracle.com/~thread2189/showthread.php?s=99127f3775261a6a2345fbf3fa6c97bf&threadid=681&highlight=zeta

edit: Also see this thread regarding this claimed "Photon Band"- http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10703

About the excuse given for this "white lie" (or wrong information) i have this to say. They make some paranoid claim they did it to show that even if they gave the correct date the governments would do nothing to warn the people. But do they really expect the governments to take these people seriously anyway when they are just another whacko cult? Especialy now they have been proven to give false data?

And so what if the governments did not tell the people? Surely the Zetas would give the date as far in advance as possible so that those who do believe them will have as much time as possible to prepare for such an event? But no, now there will be no dates given whatsoever. Probably because the Zeta cult wouldn't be able to withstand another failed prophecy and their gullable followers would be leaving in droves.

(edit: and just to prove their "white lie" excuse is a load of bull there is a quote from the zetas on the link given that says;

We are telling you, that even if the governments of the world were to shrill the alarm, starting today, that the people they govern would brush off the truth. )

Think.

Hi, James in another thread says you might be able to get some answers to the following for me Edi if you wouldnt mind?

I would like information about the Planet the corporeal Pleiadians inhabit. If there is more than one planet just pick any for now.

1. Which star does it circle in the Pleiadian system (i.e. their sun)

2. How far away from their sun is their planet.

3. What is the angle of their planets axis (i.e. ours is 23.5 degrees).

4. What is the circumference of the planet at its equator.

5. Does it have polar ice caps.

6. What kind of atmosphere does it have (i.e. what differences if any to Earths).

7. What seasons does it have (i.e. similar to earths as in Summer, winter etc.)

8. Population size.

9. What is the estimated mass of their planet.

10. If there is more than one planet revolving their sun, as in our solar system, how many and how many are inhabited.

11. Are there any main differences to our planet and what are they.

Thanks.

Dear Mayatnik: And you called us the babies? (not directly i might add, you seem to have your followers to post things for you). I may have a lengthier response to your post in this thread soon but its late here and ive been working hard at others things. One of them being going through the entire channeling *sticky* and noting all the things i feel need commenting on for a new thread on them i had planned.

Why is it you and your guides dont like the questions i and others are asking? And now your last post seems to say to the astral pulse members "I'm leaving because McArthur and his ilk are being negative towards us and we dont like it so you can blame him/them for not having our highly advanced channeling teachings on here anymore." There does seem to be the undercurrent of guilt-tripping implied in what you say.

Grow up.

But what i really think is, your neg friends have clicked on that they have been being monitered for some time now on here and have decided to "cut and run" with what new naive cult members they have managed to glean from these forums so far.

Do you really expect everyone to just believe everything you say without asking questions? And i believe i have asked quite valid ones. I am somewhat confused as to this recent outburst of yours because of what you said earlier, and i quote;

quote:
Addressing McArthur in his concerns.....

Your expression of concern is very much appreciated, to focus on what may otherwise not be made clear to you or others.

or;

quote:
Hello McArther,

Your input is appreciated, in expressing your concerns. I have talked with the other channelers in our group and we fully understand where you're coming from – we understand your point of view and, from your position it is valid. In fact, let us be clear here; each person has a valid point to make from their own perception. Everything we experience variously adds to, changes or reinforces that 'perception' – but, at each stage, it is ONLY a perception. How can we 'validate' that perception (yours or mine)? Only by interaction, otherwise we merely reinforce the existing. That is why this forum, and all discussion platforms – and especially good conversation – is refreshing, it adds new input for thought;

But now you are saying you no longer want this "refreshing" "interaction" that "adds new input for thought" and are leaving? Why is that?

Or there was another one i cant find right now where even your guides were "pleased" with the questions i was asking. So why this big turnaround all of a sudden?

If your mission on this site is so important to Humanity i find it hard to believe you could just leave because your methods of teaching have been criticized.

And i am not "being negative" with my questions, it is your perception (as you are fond of saying yourself) that is making it seem to you like they are. My posting style may be brash at times, i admit it, but i feel that i and others have voiced what we feel are valid concerns about what kind of beings you are actually in contact with.

If you leave now then it will confirm to some that perhaps the questions being asked are getting too close to exposing the lies and deception that has been going on here that some have commented on (and not just me either).

I do, of course, realize that my constant questioning of the material and teaching being presented by the "Zetas" have probably not made me very popular amongst those with "Alien" guides or those who enjoy this channeling but this is a serious subject and asking serious questions is far more important than personal prestige (unlike some i could mention who claim to be channeling messages that could have a "Galactic-wide" impact etc etc etc.)

This is a really crappy post and maybe i shouldnt post it but im tired and about to go to bed so it will have to do for now.

There will be no more comments from me in this thread as i see it to be a waste of time and a bad idea to start with, for various reasons.

Question: I was wondering why the questions i have asked so far in this thread have not been asnwered. could you explain that for me?

Also you mention that we are 3D beings but we are taught in basic science that we are in fact in 4 dimensions. Time, according to Einstein, is the 4th. Could you comment on this please?

quote:Originally posted by James S
Anything beyond this though, anything aimed at trying to discredit channeling, is just a waste of time and energy. If you don't like it, don't spend your time trying to rubbish it, go and do something else. Put your energy into something that you do believe in.

Well i cant speak for anyone else but i'm not setting out to discredit channelling per se but do have what i think are real concerns and valid questions that need asking. It would seem, though, that neither the "Guides" nor those who are in contact with these guides like the fact that people like myself are asking questions and being skeptical. I will continue to ask questions but also make the effort to do so in a civil manner.

As for Edi's post well what i was really talking about was the way Mayatnik is encouraging people to open up to these "guides" without even questioning what they are or if the information being given is true (and i have shown a few occasions where the information from these "guides" has been proven to be blatently false-read my sig file). And as we saw in the thread titled "Through the Barrier - First step to channeling" that person had no training whatsoever but was still encouraged to open up and partly channel just in one conversation.

quote:Originally posted by harlequin_star

well, i know why she doesn't want her name known to others, and she said its okay to tell ya. She told me awhile ago that her name is sacred to her and to me and if i were goin to tell her name to other people, for one, it would insult her for another our relationship wouldn't be as personal. She also said that it was a bit like the native americans with their animal guides and if they told their guides name to anyone else, they would loose their power or something.
   I wasn't really planning on taking part in all of this, i was just asking, and other peeps may have the same thing goin for them,

If your guide is a real being like us then giving her name should not be a problem or make her lose power or anything like that. For instance, my real name is Mark and im not afraid to give that out so why should your guide be afraid to?

quote:Originally posted by James S
As to these questions, I'm sorry, but I'm not a channeler.  The communication I have with my guide is for personal benefits and spiritual growth.

If your guide claims to have more knowledge than us humans in various areas (as you stated to my first questions) then i fail to see why she can not answer basic questions about her home planet. The type of information i asked for is generally known to school kids here on Earth about our own planet so surely with her vast knowledge she could answer these very simple questions? If she can not, then how can you expect her to supply you with the more difficult questions on spiritual matters?

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The questions you ask, though I believe you ask them with genuine interest, are not ones that I have ever considered relevant to my situation.

But it is relevant to your situation and to this thread if you genuinely want to test your spirit guide, which you stated you do. I will repeat the information about the Pleiades i posted in another thread here;

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The Pleiades is a loose cluster of approximately 100 stars with an average age estimated at 78 million years. These are very young stars, much younger than our own Sun, estimated at 5 billion years old, much younger even that our own planet, Earth.

These are very hot, bright stars of spectral type B, much hotter and about 10 times more massive than our Sun, spectral type G. They have not yet moved away from the interstellar gas cloud, or nebula, from which they formed. Remmants of this nebula can readily be seen in photographs of the group.

Now your guide could really put an end once and for all to a lot of my, and other peoples, skepticism by giving details of their home planet that is supposedly in the Pleiades but i already suspected this information would not be forthcoming. She could always surprise me though and actually give the information but i get the feeling that some form of excuse will be given.

Why do i think this? Well, a few reasons such as;

1. The chances of there being any habital planets in such a very young star system where the stars themsleves have not even come out of the nebula that created them and in a stable orbit is minimal to say the least. This is science, not a belief (more about that below).

2. I fail to see how they could be a more advanced race when the star system they claim to come from is much much younger and undeveloped than our own. If there are any planets there (and that is a big if as there is no proof or evidence to suggest otherwise apart from their unsupported claims) then there are certain statistical probablities they would have to overcome for there to be even a remote possibilty of them sustaining life. Do your cosmological research on our own planet, how old it is and how long it took life to form etc and you will get an idea of what i am getting at.

3. If she does give the information i asked for then it could be scientifically researched in various ways to test the data given.

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 Besides that, the relationship we have is not one in which she is willing to just feed me information. Wecha's purpose is to help me find the answers myself to the things that are important to my spiritual path.

Then it seems that you are just accepting what Wecha says and being a somewhat submissive partner in your relationship with her as though she is some kind of mother figure or school teacher who is not to be questioned. This is not a good approach to take with spirits if you want to be completely sure they are benign. You are here in this thread because you say you wanted your guide to be tested, if she is not willing to be tested then that in itself is suspicious.

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Edi would probably be able to provide the information you want about the Pleiadians better than I.

If you are in contact with your guide why cant you ask her these questions yourself?

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Having said that I have learned something about Wecha, and small fragments of info about her people that has come up in the course of conversation as a matter of curiosity. I know that the is or was a planet in orbit of Taygeta.

Ok well that is a start but i need the other data also.

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Impossible? Cant sustain life? I know these are valid questions for our level of astronomy knowledge, but up until recently astronomers believed that other planetary systems had to follow the same conventions of our own. That was until the discovery of a number of stars that had gas giants holding orbits that were closer to their stars than Mercury is to ours.
The more science uncovers, the more we realise how little we really know.

What you are doing here is making excuses by referring to other data that is not related to the valid questions i am asking. There are certain scientific facts we know about the Pleiades star system and how extremly young it is compared to our own and the type of stars/suns that are there.

This brings me to another point. The belief system-cleanse that you warmly applaud. May i gently suggest you make a list of everything you KNOW about Wecha and her planet and discard everthing that is only a belief? Things that are beliefs include anything she has told you about herself and her Planet without supportive evidence.

I hope you take this post as it is intended, i am not trying to attack you in any way but am genuinely concerned that these beings are not what they claim to be, especially because a fair amount of the channeled information that comes from them (especially prophecies and cosmological data) has proven to be false. And if they are giving false information then surely this should give us pause for thought about what they really are and their true intentions.

quote:Originally posted by James S
In contrast to this though, I have seen channeled information coming from this site that has nothing to do with end of the world prophesies, conspiracy theories and other such hidden agendas, but rather good practical and useful information to help guide those on a spiritual path.

Hi James, it seem we do agree on some things but i feel something needs to be said on what you say above. Regardless of what is being channeled on these forums these beings are also claiming to be the same race that zetatalk.com is channeling. Therefore if the information from zetatalk is questionable (and i have provided evidence that it is- and there is plenty more if you would like me to provide it) and these are the same beings being channeled here then questions must surely be asked as to what these beings are and why they are giving false information.

You seemed to have skipped over this very important part in the article i quoted;

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The Pleiades is a loose cluster of approximately 100 stars with an average age estimated at 78 million years. These are very young stars, much younger than our own Sun, estimated at 5 billion years old, much younger even that our own planet, Earth.

These are very hot, bright stars of spectral type B, much hotter and about 10 times more massive than our Sun, spectral type G. They have not yet moved away from the interstellar gas cloud, or nebula, from which they formed. Remmants of this nebula can readily be seen in photographs of the group.

It is because of this information that we know (not believe) about this star system that i asked you to ask your guide for basic information on thier home planet. Now i will say something in that thread about this.

quote:Originally posted by MJ-12

I find it disquieting that these guides would attempt to malign those that would legitimately question their validity and orientation.

Several on here have alluded to the possibility that these guides may actually be negatively oriented, and now, instead of a rational, coherent response, we get the whole guilt trip.

I don't buy it. Furthermore, if people channeling these guides have experienced these feelings as you say, then I wonder why these guides don't continually offer psychic and spiritual support to counterbalance this negativity.

I have to second this also. If this kind of thing is happening to the humans doing the channeling then this brings into question the type of training thay are getting to do this. And as i have said elsewhere there seems to be no safeguards whatsoever that these channelers are using to determine the nature of the entities they are opening up to.

SpectralDragon also made some good points in his post such as;

"I would also like to add that a channelled spirit likes to give the user some good and some bad information if it's negative."

I have asked what things these channelers (who i will say here i think sincerely believe they are doing a service to others) are doing to test these entities but have had no real reply so far.

Spiritual churches have circles where they train new mediums which can often take years (even then i consider this dangerous) and yet on here we are seeing people being encouraged to just open up to any old spirit and channel over just one IM conversation.

Now it may be (and i say that cautiously) that some of these channelings are genuine when the channeler is 'opening up' to these entities. But have these channelers been taught how to actually close back down again and ground themselves? Otherwise there could be a possibility that any passing entity could come along and mess with these "open" and psychically unprotected people. This belief in not needing to know the basics of psychic self-protection seems to stem from the belief that all spirits are good but this just isnt the case. There are the darker variety of entities out there and if you are open and unprotected it can be similar to how sharks can sense blood in the water for miles around.

If your are interested in the subject of channeling then i at least suggest you learn the basics of shielding and psychic self-defense just as a safety measure before doing so.

quote:Originally posted by Tisha

And, for the record everyone:  Kabbalah/Qabala is a word that simply means "collection."  

Hi, actually it means "mouth to ear" because it was considered so Holy that it was never put into writing but verbally from Master to student (until about the 12th century anyway).

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http://www.golden-dawn.com/temple/index.jsp?s=library

here;
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Franz Bardons "Initiation into Hermetics" in pdf format here;
http://www.geocities.com/alex_sumner/hermetics.pdf

Castaneda books(amongst others) here (if you class them as Magic(k)) ;
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/psychology/download.shtml

And here you will find about 1000 free esoteric texts;
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edit: some good ones here too;
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and here;
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