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hmmmmm aliens..............

do they still like to probe? That could very well explain my experiences............ hmmmmmmmmmmmm

those sly devils... can't they just read an anatomy book?


but in seriousness try changing sleeping posture and avoiding sugar + caffeiene within 4 hours of going to bed....

"To the best of my knowledge, and the way I've been trained by the government to the job I do right now, we cannot ask ISP's for information without a search warrant. Without probable cause of a crime, we cannot get a search warrant. That determination is made by a judge. The same criteria hold true for the investigators and agents I work with. Are there people in the government who can get that information? Probably. I do not know so I can only guess. However, I don't work as a spy or in espionage of any kind. Hackers have gotten into government computers, why couldn't the government get into personal computers at your home? The question is why would they want to?"

The patriot act states that you do not need a search warrant to monitor someone's emails, internet activites, library activites, and probably other activities that I can't remember.
http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=12126&c=207
http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=11813&c=207#FileAttach


Why wouldn't they want to if they can monitor anyone they want?

But aren't all vibrations sounds, even if inaudible to human ears?

And isn't all matter and energy interconnected? If so, the vibrations would eventually reach us.

quote:Originally posted by Kerrblur

I'm sure some of you have read this or even seen it on Discovery Channel or something.  The government are worried about the people who are spiritually gifted in someway or another, and are able to resist what there about to do.  If its not already happening now, its gonna be happening within a year to 5 years.  You know how much information they got off people like Robert Monroe or Uri Geller?  I believe Uri Geller Still works with the government unless he's not with them anymore.

 Telepathy and clairvoyance have been a tool for the US government since the middle of the Cold War.  lol they wouldnt just up and drop the case.  They've come to discover alot of things, and its going to effect us all i believe.  Except for the people like us who are already in tune with ourselves, they cannot control, and that concerns them.  I dunno    I read alot on the internet about it, regarded it as false untill I saw it on Discovery Channel and Science Channel on two different occasions(SP?).

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Could you elaborate on what it is you think they are going to do?

And I was just remembering.... mind control (mass mind control) has been documented as possible, and there are devices sold that are supposed to do so... I think Russia bought a lot of them a while ago.... I'm not sure where I read this I think perhaps educate-yourself.org or .com .... it was quite disturbing though.

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Holy Reality - I am a member of a task force created under the Patriot Act by Ashcroft. I actually am employed by my local sheriff's department. I search computers (any storage media) for evidence of crime. The reason the computer lab task forces were started was due to the events that occured on 9/11. There were numerous computers owned by Al Quaeda members that needed to be examined for evidence of crime or consipiracy against the government. However, at this time, a large percentage of our work involves those crimes dealing in child pornography.

Just let me pose a question, do you really think the government would send agents and spies to search website's such as this that promoted the fact they were working for the government? Probably not. They'd do it covertly.
"

So do you agree with what the Patriot Act does to our constitutional rights and how it's being widely abused? One guy that made meth was charged with making "chemical weapons" once.... all sorts of bovine excrement abuse everywhere imaginable, the worst probably being guantanamo bay and I just pray that they never sneak the right to detain CITIZENS in there... they tried to do so with partiot II but someone leaked it to congress and they shot it down... but... you know they'll keep trying...

In fact I'm not sure if Patriot II actually WAS shot down come to think of it...? Most of it was put into the "Liberty" act or something like that....

gahhh... to repeat myself again:

don't vote Bush if you value freedom at all.

and it's not that hard to hack an IP out of a forum if you're a government agent, neither is it hard to force that ISP to release details, or hack those details. What are they going to do about it, take on the government? Yeah right....

also it's been my experience that either the government doesn't care about drug use or they don't have the intelligence capablities to crack down on it via the internet (despite much provisions really slaying first time offenders in much new legislation out there) becuase go to just about any mature forum and people are always openly saying things like "yeah i bought a few ounces of prime weed that i'm gonna smoke tomorrow" and things like that... and well... those people are still around.

quote:Originally posted by CRIMINALMIND63

 I also know that being around the computer does affect attacks. Not that the attacker is using the computer to attack you but it does something to the aura.

but is this only when it's turned on or does it have adverse effects on you?

"EXACTLY! Nothing was very accurate at all. When I went outside it was all wrong...like it was semi tropical and I live in Colorado. The bedroom seemed sort of right but it was all very fuzzy. I realize that I am not going to be "seeing" the way Im used to in the physical sense but the way both Robert Monroe and Robert Bruce described interacting with the physical (Robert describes sitting on top of the chimmny of his house during a rain storm and observing his street) I just figured it would be more....tangible."

Same here... he made the RTZ sound like you could outside, see a brown dog, wake yourself up and that brown dog would be right where you saw it....

But maybe we aren't entering the RTZ... I made a post about this and most people said I was, just that it isn't supposed to be 100% accurate.

But you did this during the night/morning right?

One idea I have is that your mind is still in dreaming mode when you enter a trance during the night/morning upon waking up, and that maybe if you learned how to meditate and properly go into a trance during the day, things would be much more realistic?

I don't think it matters wheter you "dreamed" about projecting or not though since you did it in your room you probably really had your body separate even if it was occurring within a dream.

But like maybe if you were dreaming (non lucid) and you "projected" from some random dream location by laying down and leaving your body, that might take you to ALICE type places, but it's still an interesting experience and I don't think it should be discredited.

(and thanks to whoever initially told me that very thing because the more I think about it the more it makes sense)

This article posted by Nick in another thread in the Dreams forum might help:
http://lucidity.com/NL32.OBEandLD.html

so what exactly do you do for the FBI? Do they really spy heaviy on various forums that tend to take an anti-government lean on things? Or do you not know that? You probably wouldn't be allowed to say though...

quote:I'm quite sure that whatever it is (and I'm sure that they have one for info intercept) would make headline news on all news organizations.

Umm... let's ask our friend Mr. Patriot Act about that.... he says no.

Yes it'd be all over the news sites that no one reads but conspiracy theorists and it might make headliens in other countries, but CNN and FOX News and ABC and CBS and NBC won't be posting anything the government doesn't want them to, and I guarantee that.

The PATRIOT Act gives the government the power to force agencies to not air stories that compromise "national security" and of course, who determines what kind of stories would compromise "national security?" You guessed it...



as for echelon... i was hoping to maybe give myself a break and discount it to paranoid nonsense but.... unless archive.aclu.org is not an archive of the aclu.... well.. I don't think they'd just go around making that kind of stuff up....

disturbing, but not surprising.

That's weird... I dreamed about red aliens last night ....... and I hadn't read anything about aliens or anything like that at all, and certainly not RED ones... except they were like 3-4 feet fall and kind of friendly.

Well, they took me at gun point to their complex but I was talking to the  leader and eventually "decoded" (or at least, my mind got tired of making up an articial language) his langugae and talked to him.

It was kind of a planet X type thing.. I saw that we had two moons and one red planet near them... and then there were two red planets near them after that.... well I flew to the moon because it was closest but in the process of doing so I was like 4 times bigger than the moon so I had to somehow portal myself onto it's surface so I could fly over to the red planet....

it was weird... I was turning the planet around in my hands looking for civilizations.

But yeah anyway I talked to the red guy and stole some of his food (like really sugary stuff, and canadian bacon pizza) and I told him I wouldn't tell Earth that they existed becuase we'd probably go to war with them being stupid and violent like that.

So then I went back to earth and such and went to some cafe and talked to some girl that I guess I was supposed to be giving information to, but I don't think I told her anything.

according to my psych book/teacher we can dream during NREM sleep and I would tend to agree since well... I seem to constantly be busy in the mind, even if it's just like half dreaming....

and it seems impossible that I'd be constantly in REM the whole time because I mean, the brain needs NREM too...? Well... I'm sure I'm not the model sleeper though.

But what is a WILD? Waking Induced Lucid Dream? I've seen this acronym thrown around a lot lately and I'm not quite sure what it means...

if it is what I think it is then I think you kind of force your mind into a certain level of brain activity, but I'm not sure if  you actually go into REM or not..........

That would be very interesting to find out.

would leaving my monitor in my room on idle like where the light turns orange but it's not completely off be bad for me while i sleep?

i hadn't really ever thought about that.

yes, sleep paralysis is real and very normal...

i have it at least once a week usually, but most times it's within a dream and not like i just wake up into paralysis, though the waking up into paralysis seems to be the worst because usually there is something else there with me...

it's strange that some people claim to have very positive sleep paralysis episodes.... mine couldn't be further from that at all...

i mean if i force myself into paralysis ala trance usually it's fantastic (unless i had just had a bad sleep paralysis encounter that night) but to wake up into it agianst my will isn't, and projecting is usually the last thing on my mind.

wiggling fingers and toes helps bring you out of it though, and just try and close your eyes and don't "look" at whatever it is that might be bothering you, if something is present....

sounds are quite a bit harder to block out though.

i think lucid dreams and OBEs are more or less the same myself...

but i theorize that lucid dreams and OBEs take place in a higher place of.... umm... universalness to it, whereas normal dreams tend to be confined to *mainly* your own mind.

but yes none of my OBEs seem very realistic in comparison to the real world, usually... i think that's normal?

I've never actually been into the PHYSICAL before myself, I suppose it's possible, but I've just never really been an 100% accurate version of my room before.

there isn't really anything you can do about it short of striking some sort of deal with your subconscious (which YES, I have been trying to do while dreaming, as I figure that is my best time to try to talk to it, and I suppose it's possible... wouldn't it be great to have it lte you sleep for a real long time on a boring day, or.... put you into an instant trance?)

you can only lucid dream so much before your body insists on taking you back to reality and ensuring that you cannot fall back asleep... so I mean...

Just try very hard to stay in the dream, grab onto something, spin around, tell the people around you that you are waking up and that you need them to help hold onto you and keep you in the dream...

if you hit the blackness and know that in a few seconds you'll be awake, ask anyone near you to pull you back into the dream, they often times will....

do rope... lie down on the floor and stare at it and start rubbing it... rub your hands together....

do anything  you can to stimulate the DREAM SENSES thus negating your real senses...

and most importantly try to get lucid at night rather than in the morning so you can maintain it for as long as possible... I've probably gone a solid hour lucid before, but usually I only hit lucidity in the morning so I get like 5-20 minute sessions each time, and they always end right before I'm going to score with an incredibly realistic looking and feeling girl... or achieve something I've been wanting to do for a long time.

So...

Practice makes perfect I suppose.... you'll eventually get to where if you wake up you can often times go right back asleep and back into where you left off... but still, even then I find you can only re enter it so much before your body says ENOUGH and starts being uncooperative.

Which is why I want to develop a relationship with my subconscious....



"Why can't we sleep forever...."

when you feel yourself sliding/floating around try to imagine that you are standing in your room, and you might find that you feet are now on the ground and your vision will come in slowly

or... try to just... move yourself, while you are floating.. or envision somewhere you want to go and focus really hard on it... you'll either phase there ala entering a dream, or you'll sometimes feel yourself being dragged there, which is quite fun and strange.

quote:Originally posted by lifebreath


I have no idea what your relationship is with your dad and am not implying that it is bad. What I am suggesting, however, is that it is not uncommon for a young man of 20 years old to have conflicted feelings toward his dad - feelings of love, mixed with feelings of being "trapped" or not being free to be your own man - still "under the yolk," so to speak, of the old man! Often these feelings are repressed because "I shouldn't feel this way about my dad" guilt. Perhaps, this manifested in your dream/trance state, projecting some of these negative feelings into the situation onto the image of your father?

Just a thought ...

agreed...

I have a lot of f*cked up dreams about my family, mainly father and brother....

edit: i hate censoring myself, is moderate use of the "f word" okay? We've all heard it before.

and yes, OBEs are basically lucid dreams, the only difference I see is the way you go about having them...

and yes, you can try reality checks and be semi accurate both from OBE and from lucid dream.... I guess it may have to do with how much energy you have and such and this relates to how close to the actual physical you can get

but that time changing thing, that is a tell tale sign of dreaming, whenever you are unsure of whether you are awake or not (and usually if you are unsure it means you aren't) you just look at a clock, turn around look back, and do that about 5 times, if it's a dream, it will change, becuase the subconcious doesn't handle text very well.

So umm... yeah that's normal... I don't know how you project into the DIRECT physical and I'm not sure if it's possible, some people claim to have done so.

create an object in the dream scene, take a hold of it, and pull pull pull till you end up in the dream.... don't let go no matter what and focus all your will and pulling yourself to the object

i.e. I imagine somewhere I want to go, imagine a good solid object is there, such as.... a umm.... pole... and grab hold of it (i mean LITERALLY reach out and grab it, because i'm in mind awake/body asleep and such) then I just keep pulling till I get there.

i'm getting really sick of this forum losing my replies...

okay, i think she needs to gradually wean herself off coffe, that's not helping any

if she takes pain killers more than like 3 times a week that isn't helping any either, as they kind of numb your pain receptors but when they finally go back to normal after increased exposure to pain killers they are a lot more sensitive to pain

i saw something on 2020 about people that would take them (as in tylenol/aspirin) everyday and it screwed them up so that they constantly have headaches no matter what they do, and they had to like become hsopitalized just to quit taking the pain killers in the first place.

Okay so..............

it's something like this?

arm = ------>
blank space=.....

D1:
---...................---->
(1)................(2)

D2:
...----....
(1)...(2)

So your arm is halfway in two different dimensions, but the end of it is in dimension one, so that your arm looks like the middle section of it was chopped off, and it's way farther away than it would naturally be due to how the gates in D1 are far apart?

well i had this big long reply but i lost it.....

okay so what you are saying is that I make a portal, envision some sort of location or set it to go to some sort of location (i'm horrible at making things visually manifest) then I make a portal INSIDE that portal right after the exit that goes back to here?

I haven't really had much success at all at actually seeing where the portals will take me, I just kind of keep a location in mind as I step through, or say where I want to go out loud... but the portal itself is just a transprent 2 dimensional circle and you can't see where it goes, you just see the outline of it (it's been pink exclusively so far)

I had the inside take on a pink tint once, but it was hard to maintain it that way.

[physical energy]

"Your third eye does not open up all at once. You build energy, spiritual, mental, and physical energy, which causes your base chakra to grow, which in turn causes your other chakra to grow. By growing your third eye you can "open" it and use it. The more it grows the more you can see with it. The first thing to come is usually a faster reaction time than usual which sometimes might seem almost pre-cognant. Sometimes this comes later, it all depends on the person. "

So if I'm naturally tired and lazy and don't have much physical energy and kind of always feel disconnected from things... is this going to hurt the development of my third eye/energy body? It's probably because I'm all the computer all day and sleep all the time though, whenever I go to school I tend to have a bit more energy.

and sometimes I can see things really well with my eyes closed, like look around the room in the dark with them closed and see all the outlines of objects in the rooms and know exactly where they are and see my arms move if I wave them in front of me very vividly, not just like I'm noticing difference in lighting, but like... something else.

No auras though...

creating a gate...........

If I do NEW awareness type excercises (really briefly) in my hands, where I just feel energy flowingn out of them to my fingers, I can draw a circle, imagine something inside it, and step through it and sort of go there...

Is that what you mean? If so, how do you make the gate go to another dimension?

And I have these problems where I make the gate but it gets small and won't stretch out and so I just have to stick my hand through it and I eventually end up at the destination...

I don't know if it's becuase of lack of energy or lack of focus or something else, but I might also be using MY energy to try to do this, rather than trying to draw it from an external source, which you should be able to do while in the astral?

so what would i do just say "Archangel Michael, please help me?"

"There are different things you can see depending on how open your third eye is."

Could you elaborate on this or link me to a thread about it?

And I did read the other posts you mentioned, I knew about the attachment minds eye thing before but I don't know how to perform it without being in a trance, and I hardly ever hit trances and can't do them during the day yet.

if you are achieving paralysis, first just see if you can move your arms (not your hands, this will break paralysis, just try to lift you arms)

either:

you can't, or..
you do

Now if you do, you need to determine whether it is your physical arm or astral arm, and it can be quite confusing if your eyes are closed and you can't see.... if you can lift an arm up yet you still feel entranced, try to lift the other, try to stand up... if it's hard to do you're probably in your astral body so to speak, however there are times when you just completely get up like you would in real life, yet are out of body.

So becuase of this, I'm not a big fan of trying to exit on my own... usually I just hit the vibrations and let them do their thing to me, and I find that I float up out of my body and either am swifted off somewhere (usually if I focus on inner eye visions and visualize something) or I float up and land on the floor.. once I kind of was thrown into my door, which I thought was cool.

But basically if you know you are paralyzed (and you will know this because either you are completely numb, can't feel yourself, or maybe even in moderate discomforting and alarming heaviness) just try to lift an arm out, if you can see it (via astral sight I suppose) it should be ... well.. in my case, transparent...

So if you think you're in a trance just try to get up, or try to roll over and fall on the floor, you risk realy falling on the floor if you have just convinced yourself when you're in a trance and you aren't, but you do get a real disttinct feeling when you are in a trance and you should in most cases *know* you're in one.

So if you just can't get out at all and vibrations aren't coming, I'd just relax and stay still and clear my mind and wait for them.

Another thing you can do is visualize somewhere you want to go, and imagine an object in that area.... such as... a doorknob.... this scene will become VERY real and lifelike eventually and you can literally grab hold of that doorknob and start pulling on it with all your might, and it will usually end up pulling you out of your body into the destination in your head... kind of like phasing I suppose.

I like this method a lot, though generally I only use it to reenter a dream that I have woken up from, and generally I'll just call out to the dream characters around me to pull me back into it before I completely wake up... they almost always cooperate and it's very easy.

I hope this helps some.... you were prety vague and didn't describe what you were doing at all.

[rarely]

i understand the basic concept of this, but do you have to be in a trance to perform it?

Because you can just *pretend* you are doing that thing if you feel some pain or blockage while doing energy raising, but... I certainly can't see anything, I mean my eyes are closed and I'm just focusing on my bodily sensations and trying to divery energy through various places...

So...

In order to actually attack some sort of blockage it sounds like you'd need to be tranced so you can reach out with your astral/mental hand, grab it, and annihilate it?

Whenever I rarely hit the trance state and am fully cognitive I usually just exit asap and go do whatever I feel like doing, rather than energy work.

The one time I did do energy work actually (on my third eye) I had a crazy OBE where I went outside and my house was on fire and I heard weird voices.

This was quite a while ago though.

"Guides are real but so are impostors, that the problem. You probably got some impostor idiot trying to deceive you. You have to use your senses to figure out which guides are legitimately guides and which are just wannabe idiots or worse, negs impersonating guides. "

Well... he was cool and he took me places, not great places, a bit weird, but... it was enjoyable.

Umm... block my third eye?

I've never been able to use it to my knowledge, but inner eye visions are getting progressively stronger over time, you know, the floating colors.

I see colored specks sometimes but I haven't really seen any auras, but this may be becuase I have really horrible eyesight so I can't really focus, or not focus, and keep my gaze still very well.

I don't know.

at any rate last night was fine... well.. this one time I partially woke up and I heard my dad going "rarararara" and it really freaked me out, but when I fully woke myself up it was just the fan making a strange repetetive whir.

and then I thought there was water in my bed and I was about to drown in it... but that's just normal sleep paralysis type stuff.