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Sorry but I disagree with that statement about consciously APing... I have APed/OBEd whilst asleep and I was able to remember them clearly. The only thing was, I could remember re-entering my body, but not the exit.

Doesn't sound plausable. Is there any sciencific evidence that you hallucinate when you sleep?

So what does happen to you when you dream if most dreams aren't OBEs?

Well that sort of fits my little theory! I wouldn't like to find myself in a void if there are things in there...

I might have been in a void. It was on the night that my Gran died, I "dreamt" that I was in some place, completely black, nothing was solid, but I heard a voice... maybe that was a void, I don't know, but I can still recall it to this day. Bloody horrible it was.

No, I don't think it's caused by neurons etc. The impression I'm under, from reading Astral Dynamics was that they are areas between astral planes, and they are basically nothing. Pitch black nothingness. Although I can't be definite about it because I've never been in one as far as I know (there is one experience which I am not sure if I was in a void or not but that's another matter).

It could have been a spirit you saw. Although I cannot be certain of this. If anyone can relate to this experience then please feel free to say.

Cesm23, OK, I am able to hear spirits and sometimes feel them. I have (rarely) seen spirits. So I'm about to correct a couple of things you have said.

quote:but VERY rarely i do hear (i mean, read) talk about clairaudience, i mean, in how to develop it and if this is a ability that exist or not

Trust me, this ability DOES exist.

quote:Is it possible to use clairaudience to HEAR sounds from the physical plane much like with remote view but with sounds instead of images

You hear sounds from sprits in the spirit world. At least that's the impression I get from my own experiences. It's possible to hear spirits while they visit the physical plane I guess, but I have no evidence of this, as far as I know.

quote:Maybe doing energy work on the throat chakra will naturally develop clairaudience ? Or do a lot of "sound-thinking" ? Like imaginating the voice of a person telling things we never heared the person telling, would this develop clairaudience? It makes sense

I don't really agree with this. I'm not sure if it's the throat chakra that is used... it might be. Sound-thinking, I've never heard of this. Imagining the voice of a person is not the same as clairaudience. I know the difference and it is very distinct. I could imagine my Mum's voice, but that would be classed as "mental chatter", whereas if I actually heard my Mum's voice, that is very different because it's "real". The imagined voice is just that - imaginary, therefore it isn't thought of as "real".

quote:Also i think i really have to learn this as i think it's because this i can't do psiballs, as have a lot of trouble moving energy outside of body, and i also absolutly can't feel person's presences in a room without using any of the 5 senses, so maybe this is the absolute beginners exercice, for those that can't even do psiballs ?

I can easily feel someone's presence around me, even if I can't see or hear them. I have no trouble doing that. I don't know where psiballs come into it. For me psiballs have no relevance. My advice is to forget psiballs right now and start working on developing your clairaudience, clairvoyancy and clairsentience, whichever comes easier. I think you need to work on your chakras while doing this, as this would help. Meditate, do energy work if needed, and just worry about developing these senses.

quote:It's logical that this is a ability of the third eye chakra.

It is NOT logical at all! The third eye is used for vision. Astral vision for example, or clairvoyancy.

Now, I don't know everything about the subject, but it seems to me that your sources aren't reliable.

Feel free to correct if I'm wrong. I don't claim to be an expert.

Please can you provide more information on the experience? There's not enough information to really know what happened.

quote:I didnt even know monkeys were equipped, lol

Of course they're "equipped"! Aren't we evolved from monkeys anyway?

LOL, that must have been weird doing it with a monkey! Was it like doing it with a bloke? (I supposed it must have been similar in some ways and odd in others!)

Weird. I've never heard of anyone projecting while headless.

I did the chakras test. Here's the results:

Root: under-active (-50%)
Sacral: under-active (-13%)
Navel: under-active (-25%)
Heart: under-active (-31%)
Throat: under-active (-19%)
Third Eye: open (38%)
Crown: open (25%)

You've got a good point there, love does naturally follow strong attraction, but don't you think there's something morally wrong with "forcing" (for the want of a better word) someone to be attracted to you in the first place via a love spell?

Aryanknight please could you explain that in more depth? What do you mean you don't have to worry about the effects of magic?

Do you two practice witchcraft then?

I did a Google on love spells, but there are different ones. So what's the difference between them all, and how would you know which one to use if you wanted to?

Hmmm interesting. You make a lot of sense there James.

quote:The reason I don't think he should because can he tell love from lust?

Yes I can seperate lust from love. I expect I'm not different from a lot of other women in this respect. []

Wow, I wasn't expecting to get such a mixed response. I guess it's down to the caster to decide whether it's right or not. I know I could search for a love spell on the net, but I thought I'd give this place a try first. Like I said, I don't want to cast one, but was just interested to see how it works etc.

I didn't say I wanted to use it against someone. I'm just merely curious about it that's all. It seems interesting how it can be done, after I intially heard about that sort of thing.

I guess you're right. I might think about keeping a journal of my life too.

quote:When you say you saw good looking girls it makes me wonder if you are also bi sexual like I am.

I am.

Thanks for the tip.

Oh I know what you mean, I've got a sarcastic SOH sometimes, but I do try to respect other people's feelings/experiences at the same time. []

Yes, I gathered that from someone I was talking to, this guy and Nay both said similar things, as well as what you said. If it happens again, I won't let it bother me, now that I know what it could be.

Yes I know, but I wasn't looking for something evil in what happened to me. That is why I got annoyed with Phong because as in "unnecessary", it was uncalled for. Understand what I mean now? I know it was a joke to him/her, but I didn't find it funny this time simply because it isn't a joke to me.

quote:Actually guys, Phong has some excellent advice there.
The suggestion is to become aware of the smallest detail and then let it simmer while being as observant of what's going on around and what happened around the time of the experience.

The significant sentence:

quote:Your subconscious will work on it, you'll become consciously aware of other interesting things that connect to the experience.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

It's not that I object to, it's the "sarcastic" comment before that. I.E.

quote:[unnecessarily sarcastic] Why, yes, I have a book here that says a flash of "brilliant" white and blue light followed by a scream in the right ear means that a message was delivered to you from akashic records but was somehow cut off by an intercession from a lower realm. Possibly a neg? If your chakras are open, close them now! Oh wait, you said the left ear... that's different... [/unnecessarily sarcastic]

quote:What type of noise was it? I've heard different stuff. Once as I was thinking about someone, I heard someone call my name. Another time I could have sworn there were like thousands of voices all speaking at the same time, getting louder and louder. Another time I heard a shrieking noise, like the loud pitch you hear after the TV goes off the air.

A screaming/shrieking noise.

I'm continuing my Dream Journal here:

http://astralplanet.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7&sid=5e9d7d69a0b33ac92f7057d967d1e6e4

Wow! Sounds interesting. How do you shield yourself?

When I got to sleep, my eyes often roll around a lot. It can get very painful, but the more I relax, the less this seems to happen.

Oh Phong, what an intelligent reply you gave(!) If you haven't got anything remotely useful to tell us, then speak. If not, then feel free to go elsewhere. No one forced you to read this thread you know(!) []