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and I'm not bashing buddhists at all - if thats what you're trying to imply, I have high regard for buddhism and am very knowledgeable on it. I was simply speaking of the ignorance shown towards buddhism.

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you just use your aura. Concentrate until you can sense it and then programme it to do what you want. In this case you want in to either completel kill or destroy your target or cause hassel bad luck for someone. For killing you focus with as much gut wrenching hate as possible and place black around your victim, its best done when they're sleeping. For just causing them bad luck and grief imagine grey energy around them. Then you cleanse yourself afterwards, with white light as hot as fire. Do it for the charka that the energy came out of, keep focusing until its sealed up with white hot light. This will protect you from any residual/rebound energies if there are any. People attempt "hexes" and then they say that they had alot of bad stuff happening to them after, because they didn't cleansing themselves afterwards. They blame it on the "law of three".
The most important thing in a "spell" is your mind, nothing else.

I agree. They should let themselves be attacked and fed on by malevolent entities and they should let people walk all over them and just love anyone who screws them over.

quote:Being born, raised, and having followed christianity since i was a wee one, i feel pretty qualified to say that it has good intentions, but they've been buried under generations of misinterpretation and abuse.

Good intentions? Matt. 10:34-36, luke 12:51, Isaiah 13:9-16
Jesus said that he came to bring the sword, to destroy families and turn parents against their children, to turn nations against nations, to divide nations, to divide single races and to cause conflict. He said he would not have any pity on pregnant or nursing women when he came to take vengenace, and that people would watch their women being raped and their children being cut to peices before their eyes.

quote:The Bible has FANTASTIC lessons from the Christ that show anyone in the world how to live regardless of religion, birthright, gender or color. Too bad that message has been butchered so badly. Thank God there are enough people who have been able to channel the Truth.

I agree the message has been butchered so badly. People beleive jesus taught love, compassion and mercy. What a pity they beleive in such crap. Do you beleive that what is written in the bible is not the truth according to what you are saying? how then do you know what the "real" truth is?

"regardless of religion, birthright, gender or color"

Jesus taught only to jews, he did not teach to anyone else. He did not help non-jews. He reffered to non-jews as gentiles and (rabbid) dogs. Whenever a non-jew came to him for lessons or help, he degarded them by calling them dogs and chasing them away. Also how can the teacings of christ be for someone of any religion? He taught  he is the ONLY way to god, the only way through god is to him, anything else will get you thrown in the lake of fire. He critized people of other religions and their ways, and on the day of judgement he will cast people of all religions into the lake of fire.
As for "fantastic lessons on how to live", well;
If I were to follow christs example, I would not help people of my own race. I would tell them I am not here to help dogs.  matthew 10 5-6, Matthew 15:24, matthew 7:6, matthew 15:26, mark 7:26-27
I would not work to earn a living. I would leave it up to "god" to give me money. When jesus and his disciples were hungry, they simply stole whatever food they wanted.
Matthew 6:25-34, Matt. 12:1-2, Mark 2:23, Luke 6:1-2.
I would spend any extra change on myself instead of perhaps dropping it to the needy on the streets.
Mark 14:3-7. Mark 14:7
I would hate my family and disrespect my mother. Jesus treated his mother with disrespect, rudely calling her "woman" when he spoke
John 2:4, 19:26
I would not consider my bioligcal father to be my father. I would not call anyone on earth my father.
Matthew 23:9

There are alot of others but I dont feel like mentioning them all.

quote:Can someone please give a clear definition of the distinction between black and white magic. Some seem to be saying its the intention of the operator while others the source. Nita has also added the recipients approval to the equation.

White magic=energies used to heal, create or construct. Could also be blessings and possibly enchantments.

Black magic=energies use to destruct and directly attack. Energies used for defence of yourself or others.

It really has nothing to do with right or wrong, good or evil. Good and evil are relatve, evil is in the eye of the beholder. There seems to be confusion about what is "black magick" and what is "white magick" because people are constantly associating them with right and wrong, light and dark. So in effect its an argument of "what is the wrong thing to do with magic". You could certainly use white magick to harm someone, like Rastus was saying. And obviously you could use black magick to help people.
Black and White magick are not two seperate energies, and black + white magick do not depend on the source. If you asked a demon to heal somebody, and they did, that would be "white magick" (but you would not be the one doing magick). As you can probably see if you ask an american congressmen who is evil in the world he might tell you "north korea, osama binladen and alqeida", etc. Then you might ask Osama Binladen or a member of Alqeida and they will say "The americans. The western powers and the western corporations". Good and Evil is only relative, they are in the eye of the beholder. Be aware of this,

quote:It is one of the mottoes of modern Chaos Magicians, with the general idea being "don't take anyone's word for anything- try things yourself and use what works for you."

And seeing trying out things for yourself instead of just being told what to do by others is imperative. You must find yourself, what satisfies you and what proves to be the truth for YOU.

quote:What of karmic consequences? Can the Wiccan Reed be true? If I'm suicidal would it be better if I laid a death spell on someone else? If one death spell can kill then it times three sounds guaranteed.

The Wiccan rede has virtually nothing to do with Karma.

quote:Maybe I'll test out that wiccan reed and hex my friend a sex slave, who knows, maybe I'll be punished by the lords of karma by giving me three.

Karma has nothing to do with three. This is a bastardisation.

The reason why spirit mediumship and contacting the dead was not condoned is because according to "god" you cannot contact the dead and the only people you will be contacting are demons.

quote:but on the grounds that I associate them with natural abilities inherent in human nature, and not with any sort of Pagan religious practice.

It amazes me that as a christian you have not heard of inherent sin.

Do you consider yourself to be a witch, nay?

The "Black Arts" was always a reference to conjuring up the dead, elemental spirits, Angels and the like. Conjuration and Evocation of spirits is basically what makes up the "Black Arts" or "Black Magick" where as "White Magick" seems to refer to drawing down power, absorbing and directing power, spells, healing, healing properties, invocation, enchantments etc.
In more recent times however, Black Magick has also acquired the definition of magick being used to destruct, defend oneself or another, use for combatative purposes, and other uses for magick in that area. White Magick has acquired the definition of magick used for healing, construction, creation, sheilding, blessings, etc.
However, also in more recent years, circa 1980's, the terms have been defined white magick="good" magick and black magick="evil" magick or "bad" magick. However both have nothing to do with right or wrong, good or evil. If you used magick to attack one person for the sake of 30 then it would still be black magick. If you used white magick to take someone out of a coma so you prolong their suffering and they suffer their pain consciously, then it would still be white magick.

quote:he conventional wisdom on White (right hand path) and Black (left hand path is thus:

1. To use the abundant power of the universe to do "good" is White or Right-Hand Path.

2. To use sorcery to influence the minds and wills of fellow human beings, in order to serve our own needs, is "black" or Left-Hand Path.

This is untrue. Plenty of followers of the left-hand-path use both white magick and black magick.

quote:
Tisha is right. I distinguish between the two as follows....magic that affects yourself is white magic; if it affects others, it is black magic.

So healing somebody else is black magick?

quote: Hello, i'm new. I joined in september.
Black M agic is evil, trust me I looked at a B. Magic book before, and I almost puked in discust. I am a White Mage, I practice W. Magic.
I was battling a B. Mage before, and I just won. It was the most gruesome fight ever. His powers were immense. I had to use some Wizardry to fight, as well. It was hard, but I won. The Sapphrite, you are really cool. thanx for the info.

If you were both fighting each other using magick, then you were BOTH using black magick. Anyone can see the problem with only practising white magick fast...if you're only doing healing, creation, blessings etc, yet you have opened yourself into the fourth-dimension as a magus, what do you expect to do when you are under attack from a seperate entity? uh-oh. No black magick?
The reason why the "Black Mage" had immense power is becuase he had worked at defending himself and empowering himself.
And as for the Sapphrite well...you said it yourself, you are new to magick. You advised us to never touch black magick ever, funnily enough in your description of when you came under attack, its black magick that would have saved you...

Oooohhh scary! black magick! how evyl! run byfore the systers of karma strike ye ded!
merry part!!!!!!!
pixie dust and hapyness!!!!!
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James,
The worship of God and Goddess is a middle eastern tradition, most prominetly found in mesopatomia. The reason why so many women were slaughtered had nothing to do with goddess worship, or wicca. They were slaughtered because many of the preists considered their home-making, decorating, nesting and medicines to be thoroughly of the devil. It should also note that the inquisition happened in the 1400's.
Pagan refers to people who worship god(s) other then those of christianity,judaism and islam, regardless of what pagan literally means.

One does not have to examine the bible very closely at all before they realise that "God" is not omnipresent, omniscient or all-knowing, he is certainly fallible, he certainly hates and has regretted things that he has created. The proper definition of love bears very little resemblance to the biblical concept of love. Jehova has ordered human and animal sacrifice, cannibalism and blood drinking a-plenty, as well as mass murder, genocide, rape and torture.

It seems that alot of people here have seriously limited understanding and information about buddhism, the best example of this is those of you claiming to be "christian buddhists", I think this speaks for itself.

quote: Hi Robert,
My gripe with Budhism. Budhist monks around 15 years ago performed a ritual on my girlfriend which attached an entity to her. Is has scared the hell out of her for a long time.
She was born with her third eye open well into her teenage years before the monks closed her third eye and attached this negative entity. Do you know of anyone skilled enough to remove this "spell". It relentlessy attacks her in her mind constantly reciting old relgious sayings and belittling her in every way shape and form. When it gets worse she feels the pressure on her face as it if is "covering" her.
I made another post like this in your Psychic Self Defense forum but since this forum is about Budhism specifically I was hoping someone skilled in courrupt Budhist rituals could help us.
I respect Budhists very much, but just like any relgion they have their share of corruptness.
It is obvious that the intention was to break her spirit and it is almost working as one time sheh trie to end her life to get away from this. She is much more stable now and wouldn't think of trying that again. I hope this forum could shed some light into resolving this. Thanks kindly for any help.

This is an even more disturbing example of ignorance towards buddhism. No, there was no intent to break her spirit and there was no negative intent done on your girlfreind, nor did what these monks do have any negative consequences, I'd say it is purely in your girlfreind's head. Fair enough?

quote:Buddha was a Hindu prince that lived a sheltered life, then he knew someone that died and was devestated so he ran away and didn't eat trying to find the meaning of life. That didn't work so he started eating and wondered all around trying to find happiness, then one day sitting under a tree he became enlightened. I'm not sure if the is enterly correct. You can read books be the Dali Lama which is i think the reincarnation of Buddha.

I'm not even going to touch that one.

quote: Am I the only one that sees it?

The bible was re-written to stomp out competition. The competition was mostly the ancient Celts and Pagans. 2 Commandments are specifically written to stomp out Pagan beliefs. Interesting since the original Authors were Jewish. Heck the original bible said "Everlasting Reincarnation" and was re-written to "everlasting life" by the emporer Constatine's wife because heaven has no value if you re-incarnate. And heaven is the reward for the "faithful", no reward and what's the point? And You can't have a Heaven if there's no Hell, I mean where's the incentive?

Rastus, do you have any sources for the so-called "ever lasting reincarnation"? We actually do not know what was changed, added in and taken out by constantine.
"The competition was mostly the ancient Celts and Pagans."
A pagan is simply someone who worships a god that is not of christianity, judaism or islam. A pagan is not someone who is "close to nature" and "worships nature". There were plenty of Pagans in the middle east at the time, every non-jew, for that matter. We of course know very little about the Celts to have any proper insight into their religion, but it is almost certain that magick and witchraft did not make up a large portion of their religion at all, and if they  practised magick and witchcraft at all it would have been a fringe art where you have one witch or wizard per village (and obviously they would not have used the victorian era methods of ritual magick in wicca). It was long, long after the bible was written that the christians came to Europe. And I'd probably say that the commandmants are specifically written to be commandments for christians and jews.

Although it would be nice for the christian occult dabblers if it all really was added in during translation and all the stuff affirming occult practices was left out, but the original hewbrew texts of the old testament still say to stone sorcers, witches, and those who practice divination to death, and all the rest of that stuff. The original greek gospel still speaks of jesus and his disciples casting out spirits of mediumship, fortune telling, sooth saying, divinatoin etc.
And I think saying "Don't take it literally" is seriously avoiding reality. How can you not take "and all those who practice magick shalt be outside the walls of christ, and cast into the lake of fire" literally? please! wake up.
Risu no Kairo is correct, he is just displaying an extremely small sample of the inconsistencies and contradictions in the bible. The rulings and teachings of the bible are very anti-life, and of course you are meant to literally do what it literally says to do, Naiaid, according to matthew the way you tell if someone is a christian is if they are immune to all poisons, speak in tongues and take up serpents. I think it would have been made a little bit clearer if the bible wasn't meant to be taken literally on what it says people can and cannot do, and what it says God wants people to do. From the christian stand-point the bible is the word of God so read it. You could never be sure if you were "intepreting it properly with the help of God" now, could you? the only thing you're meant to be certain of is that the bible is the literal word of God inspired by the Holy Spirit.
If there are things you want to do like oh, say occult dabbling, don't be like a wiccan and take out of your religion what you don't like, perhaps you should consider finding a religion more compatable with your life, what you want to do and your individuality?