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Another excellent movie is Being John Malkovich. Try that if you havn't seen it. It's not a horror though.

Was planet of the apes the original or the new edition?

I saw on television once, a man who would summon enough energy to be able to walk on a suspended sheet of paper without it breaking. That would be an interesting test.

and billions of others don't. what does that have to do with anything?
doesn't make you any more or less right, it's just a not very intersting factoid. you could be the only one in the universe to believe something, and be right. I mean, talk about millions, look at how many [enter some large religeous group here... examples, jews, christians, etc...even though im jewish i still dont believe in it btw] there are out there... (hint, hint)


Exactly my point, im glad you understand.

the concept of absolute obliteration of a being (so that nothing remains of their being; not their mind, their spirit, body, anything), and eternity. i do not fear eternity so much as i might, because i am hoping that there is something about eternity that i don't understand while i am still in this mortal coil, something that will take away the fear of it.

I think I fear eternity more. I could live knowing I can expect a true end at the end of life, but an eternity of reincarnation is truly frighting to me. It's the nature of eternity that matters to me.








 

I have no experience with reincarnation but I believe the point in it is to learn as much as we can so we don't have to reincarnate, thus it would be very hard to experience everything(Im most likely wrong about this so someone please correct me).

I dont believe we will ever become one with god, so what else will happen?

You don't beleive but billions of others do. Perhaps not God, put some sort of "spiritual bliss". But if you want an answer for one who does not believe in a god, then I would say....hmm, I really have no idea. I can't imagine a reason for reincarnation to go on forever. Anyone?

Tom,

I understand what you are saying, and most likely you are right. We do not chose who we fall in love with and I think thats one of the beautiful things about life and because of that, labels are meaningless in this case.

Last post for the night, im tired.

I essentially agree with you James.

Im just tired of a society where sex is used to sell both goods and souls, and where it's abused. Thats all.

Goingslow,

The point is simple. Homosexuality cannot be used as a case for solving overpopulation. Also I did not say that gays shouldn't adopt, or several other things you assumed from my post.

And the problem isn't largely with the interaction between have and have not societies. Just looked at Eithipia.

Enderwiggin,

I was actually thinking the other night about whether or not we should have laws, but I keep thinking of the people who will abuse it.

Also I think China has the population laws.

If it helps I once had an openly gay hairdresser and now I have one that is perhaps not so forthcoming.

My highschool math teacher had a friend who wanted to be a hairdresser but didn't want the stigma attached with it(he was straight).

The world is not really overpopulated, it's just overflowing with idiots, and those idiots are in charge of resource allocation and nation-state governments. It will also apparently decline, 8 billion being the max(according to the U.N, can't find the report but im looking).

As for the contrast between murder and war, according to dictinary.com:

The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

The problem here is with the word 'unlawful' and it's also where pro-war and anti-war conflicts arise. Are there any wars that are lawful? If you say yes then who chose's them to be lawful? The winners or basic morals and conscience that are instilled into everyone? If you say war is never lawful, then what is the answer to foreign powers which do not subscibe to your basic morals and laws. Complete submission to those who will take advantage of you(while biblical sound, is not an easy thing to do). So in the end, we may have to agree to disagree.

Then there is homosexuality. I do agree with peacefulwarrior that it is wrong, but for two reasons:

1)I believe it to be a perversion and as such, goes against keeping the body a pure vessel(for the holy spirit in my case).

2)It goes against the nature of man and woman. What is our nature? An outsider to the human condition would say that we are born from a mother and father, mature, and copulate in a exchange of fluids wherein genes are also exchanged, resulting in the creation in a new life. I would say that the above limits us painfully and essentially adds to the popular belief that there is no point to life. Therefore I believe that we are born and move through life, but we do not chose who we fall in love with, if the love is truly love and not merely an occasion for rapant sexual acts, then so be it. But I also believe that God has put us here to live according to his designs, and we are designed for the procreation act. I think the reason gay people are looked down on, is so much that they are different, but that they fall into a stereotype of some sort, which makes it easy for others to classify and degrade them. So essentially im saying that if love exists, free from the temptations of carnality, than that is beautiful. Of course, I will say the same thing about heterosexuals.  

In summary though, I believe that love is love, but in my experience(not saying i've never seen it but 3 time out of 4) homosexuality is linked to perversion, and so goes against our inherrent morals.

I've known two gay people. One was a friend who would get naked at sleepovers and, well, nevermind(nothing bad, more funny than anything). We're no longer friends because he moved away so it was nothing personal. The other was my cousin who died of kidney failure, alone because his family alienated him. No one deserves that.

Im in the middle I guess, but as to the lifestyle of my cat, well, he's been known to frequent seedy establishments.

Seriously though, the cat is the cheshire cat from alice in wonderland, only it's from a videogame version.

http://www.alice.ea.com/images/wall1_1024.jpg

Not the political party, but the deffinition of the word, "liberal".

I used to read through books faster than anyone I know, but I would get very little out of them. Now I take my time, and in the case of Astral Dynamics, I read part 1 twice slowly, just so I could have a solid base with which to tackle the rest of the book.

Good luck.

I agree with you 100% PeacefulWarrior. But I would be careful debating non-liberal views here, it only gets ugly.

Also, has anyone read The Great Divorce? What's it like?

I have never tasted alcohol and I only drink water. However if I have to get rid of meat to attain spiritual enlightenment, well just leave me alone with my steak.[]

Jacob's ladder is another good one. I watched it while under pain medication though so towards the end I was fighting to keep my eyes open(no fault of the movie).

Xehupatl,

You should watch the exorcist, it's really a good movie(imho anyway). Im getting the urge to watch it right now...

I owned that movie for five years before I actually watched it and it became my favorite horror movie.

I've always wanted to get one of those indoor mini water fountains. They're cheap I think. Try one of those.

Criticism of ideas can be the most insulting thing to happen to someone who believes in something passionately. Try telling a fundamentalist christian that there was no Jesus Christ and see how long before the debate degrades into insults and character
assasinations. We all have our breaking points.

Given the fact that there are alot of new people here, and that things are happening in the world which require people to form a solid opinion, im surprised there isn't more fighting here.

What I believe you understand by tabloid (correct me if I'm wrong) is something like the enquirer or one of those strange papers that make up ludicrus stories about celebrities etc?

That's pretty much what we believe(North Americans at least) tabloids are.

Treatise On OBE:
http://www.astralpulse.com/guides/oobe/oobe.htm

NEW system:
http://www.astralpulse.com/guides/new/new.htm

Astral Dynamics:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1571741437/qid=1048765610/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/002-9421858-2380062?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Thats a good start.

It is a tabloid, put it down as a case of believe it or not.

That's sort of like a rowan atkinson skit I saw once.
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Atkinson playing the devil

Hello, nice to see you all again.

Now, as the more perceptive of you have probably realised by now, this is Hell, and I am the Devil. Good evening. You can call me Toby, if you like - we try and keep things informal here, as well as infernal. That's just a little joke.

Now, you're all here for eternity, which I hardly need tell you is a sod of a long time, so you get to know everyone pretty well by the end, but for now I'm going to have to split you up into groups. Are there any questions? Yes?

Um, no, I'm afraid we don't have any toilets... if you'd read your Bible you would have seen that it was damnation without relief. So, if you didn't go before you came then I'm afraid you're not going to enjoy yourself very much... but then, I believe that's the idea.

Right, let's split you up then.

Can you all hear me still?
CAN YOU HEAR ME AT THE RACK?

All right, off we go...

Murderers, over here. Looters and pillagers - over there please, thieves if you could join them, and bank managers...

Fornicators, if you could step forward - my God there are a lot of you. Could I split you up into adulterers and the rest? Adulterers if you could just form a line in front of that small guillotine there.

Okay...

Americans, are you here? Look, I'm sorry about this, apparently God had some fracas with your founding fathers and damned the entire race into perpetuity. He sends particular condolences to the Mormons who He realises put in a lot of work. That's the way the wafer crumbles. The Iranians, I'm afraid, can't be with us - someone's been holding them in purgatory for about nine months.

Sodomites, over there against the wall.

Atheists! Atheists? Over here please. You must be feeling a right bunch of charlies.

Okay, and Christians! Christians? Ah yes, I'm sorry, I'm afraid the Jews were right.

Okay, Moonies, maniacs, marmite eaters, male models, masochists, mass murderers and masseurs, if you could take a pew at the back - with the Methodists that is.

Now, you're the lot who used to kill whales, is that right? Ah, yes, I must remember - I've got some strips to tear off you bastards later.

Everyone who saw Monty Python's "Life of Brian" - I'm afraid He can't take a joke after all.

Alright now, one final thing. We're trying to implement some kind of exchange scheme with the Lord God Almighty, or Cliff as we know him. Some of you will travel up and have a decade in heaven and we're having some angels down here. Now, I hardly need tell you that in heaven you will be expected to behave in an exemplary manner, so I hope you will do the exact opposite - tear off their wings, use their haloes for frisbee practice, that sort of thing.

Well, I have to go now, unfortunately, but Beelzebub here will show you the ropes ... and the chains, and electrodes.

I'd just like to leave you with a favorite joke of mine, if I may. Quite apt to the circumstances, I think. It goes something like this:

Knock, knock!

Who's there?

Death.

Death wh...!