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I don't know (from experience) how to get the visuals, but don't ever try to "open" your astral "eyes", because you will end up opening your physical ones, and this will end the projection.

From the books, you can read the techs by Bruce etc, and the most effective one they say is to command "vision now !" loud and clear. Something may appear out of no-where, but I don't think it will be the real thing.

From some, I've learnt that it takes time and practice to be able to "see" in astral, just as an infant learns to see in physical after birth.
Those who are evolved enough (through past lives) can instantly see everything right at their first projection, and those who are newbies take time.

Energy levels also dictate what you see and if you see at all.

You can't force vibrations to happen. All I know is when they happen you must be ready to make use of them.
All you can do (at this stage) is to make the conditions favorable (as mentioned above). No heavy food, no drinks, a lot of sleep, no pains or ailments in the body and cheerful and positive mental atmosphere (no worries or hates etc).

If you can do this, next step is to try the "get up early and go to sleep again" method (Its time, someone should name it). Vibes will come.

Good to hear about your progress.

Don't worry about the voices and noises.
Just assume them as normal as the noises and people around you when you are traveling by a bus or train.

The noises die out in a loud rush, usually, and after that there is pin drop silence, a silence you never seen before. And you feel light as air, thats the time to go.

I'm new to AP. I haven't been able to do it yet...=(

Then people in astral should not be your main concern, my friend.
Master this art and you will know for yourself. Sure there are people there, but its your lucidity that counts. Rest is details.

Any action which makes you think of your body is going to bring you back from trance.
I don't recommend this. (including the rope tech).

Instead, try to be in between sleep and awake state and observe the phase shift. Don't get alarmed if you hear voices, noises or see things. It happens on its own and you are out automatically. First requirement is to quieten your mind, remove the thoughts.

If binaural floats your boat, well .... no issues.

Goosebumps and cold body is not a sign of pre-exit. Rather it means you need a blanket.
Pounding heart is a sign but it means that you are on the edge but not fully relaxed.

When you are able to forget your body and ANY sensations from it, you are ready for an exit.
(Vibrations, noises and images behind closed eyes are not related to physical and thus are not body sensations.)

Good reading ....

http://montalk.net/notes/astral-physics

Can the etheric and astral planes can be understood from the viewpoint of physics? What is the mathematical relationship between these and the physical realm? To take a shot at these questions, we must examine what physics says of the physical and see if that can be mathematically extended to produce predictions matching anecdotal observations of the etheric and astral.

Personally i've never been to these temples, but i've been told by astral travelers that Einstein himself would visit them during his frequent cat naps in order to learn quantum physics. 

Whoever told you that , is not trustworthy.
Einstein never bothered with quantum physics, he was almost against it. "God does not play dice" are his famous words. As QM deals mostly with probabilities, he did not like it. Most of quantum theories developed after his carrier peak.

Ironically, he discovered photoelectric phenomena (solar cell stuff), which led to questions about validity of classical physics, and thus QM evolved.

And yes, Astral don't need internet
Electricity, electrons and chips are supposed to be physical stuff !

Happens to me many times.
These fake oobes

I guess they occur when you have too much expectation about projecting but the physical conditions are not right. So the mind just dreams about one.

Most will recommend affirmation or 'commands', to enter into specific astral areas. (if such really exists)
For me, it degrades into a lucid dream, because of too much expectation. But you can give it a try.

Welcome

Found this gem :
http://www.oldandsold.com/articles26/yogi-10.shtml

Currently reading it. I recommend it (all articles listed on the right are cool)

Normally the astral body separates automatically after vibrations. You need to keep calm and passive when this is happening. Any kinds of thoughts or expectations/fear/excitement will bring you back to physical.

When the vibes grow in intensity and also in frequency, you begin to perceive a phase shift and the noises and vibes die out suddenly, this is when you are out and can move away from the body.

I dont think there is any harm in trying.

If by 'with' you mean both of you attempting a projection in the same room, then nothing is there to stop you. But it can be a little distracting. Say if he coughs or snores.
Or if you mean that both of you meet in astral, then also there are no laws against that. Worth trying because it will provide a proof, that its all real.

As far as I know there are no laws in astral, and no one can stop you from having a little fun. Although you won't progress much if you take it always lightly.

The only law is that like attracts like and what you do there surely comes back to bite your behind, so be careful.

Best of luck.

Sounds like a lucid dream and sensations from half awake body mixed up.

Desperate for a Peak Experience

Desperate is not the word which could help here
Patience is the key.

Don't try to swallow it hot and whole. Take little bites. Baby steps. Lowering the expectations may help. Taking a break, as advised above, may help. What you have done is, read each and every book on the subject, got your expectations high and wanted a full blown experience instantly. Never happens. Failure has brought frustration.

Try setting a smaller goal, like quieting your mind and conditioning your body to lie in a semi-comfortable position for hours. Observe the states in quite meditation, rest shall follow on its own.

Btw, I don't recommend drugs at this stage. They will only weaken you and make you dependent. Only experts can touch them, if needed at all.

BigJohn, actually that's a very good question.

First I will just pass it on what others say about universal library or Akashic records (Akash in Sanskrit means the sky). As you must be knowing, its a place in astral where all knowledge, past or future, is stored and few lucky humans have access to it. Those who need it for some greater purpose or greater good get access to it and they instantly know anything and everything about whatever it is. It mostly appears in the form of a huge library where the books are 'alive'.

Ok, so goes the traditional story about it. However I never heard about a Matrix style process, where you can download knowledge into your brain. But there are ways to gain knowledge in astral which would seem equally magical.

Note that Bruce uses the term download to mean retention of memories while waking up to normal consciousness. So don't get confused.

Now let me tell you about it from my personal experience, whatever little I had during these years. Learning and even communicating something in astral is very different, you dont need to read word by word or hear word after word or you don't need to practice to learn new skills these (for example, when I first flew in astral , I did not practice even for a second, I just did it).

When, once, someone tried to communicate something to me, it took the form of a picture book, where pictures were morphing and made little meaning to me. It seems that you need to be 'evolved' enough to get such instant knowledge and skills without painstakingly learning it all. But to get to that level you need to learn a lot here in physical, including astral projection skill and spiritual soundness and strength in general.
So its easy once you know how

As Stookie rightly said, physical is a kindergarten where you learn the basics, once you are a master in it, you have better ways to higher knowledge. But I guess, it would seem as difficult as some things are here right now.

Best thing to do is, if a recliner helps, buy one...

As with everything in AP, balance is the keyword. Your position should not be too comfortable or nor too uncomfortable. For most people, its lying on the back.
If you find it uncomfortable, experiment with other positions, like using many pillows to lie half seated etc.

Training oneself to remain in one position for say an hour without moving and making it painful, is the last option. And its the best. Training conditions the body and once it becomes a habit, you are past your first hurdle.

Things are more difficult from this point onwards....

Its normal to hear sounds/voices in hypnagogic state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia

You must have had a longer than normal.

In my personal experience, a successful obe can take anything from an hour to few months to occur from a past attempt.
Its all very random.
However, attempts are in our hand and one should attempt as much as possible, provided one is feeling high in energy and having a desire for it. It may or may not be successful, thats another matter.

My question though is, is this whats supposed to happen or feel like?

Looks like a spontaneous projection. They do feel like that.
You can try to gain control next time this happens and avoid re-entry for some more time.

One condition for obe-ing (for us newbies) is one should be able to forget the body.
Any kind of pain or such would be prohibitive.

That does seem to be the case sometimes. "Pure" and intense vibrations mean you are going to have a nice obe, but not always. Although one thing is sure, with heavy vibes, the experience of separation seems very real.

Well first of all let me know what stage you are at. Can you relax yourself to a point where you forget your body and breathing ? And what techniques are you using to get there.

When you are close to exit, one or all of these things may happen :
- You are totally relaxed and all the sense of body disappears
- You feel very light almost floating
- You may get strong vibrations (seems like electric current in the body)
- You may get very loud rushing sounds and other noises in your head
- Your eyelids may go transparent
- You may feel that the limbs are floating

I suggest reading this whole forum once to get an idea of obe.

i once again became scared and resisted it.

Fear of unknown is a natural protection mechanism built inside all of us. So nothing serious here, just let go ... and remember that no harm is possible during a projection, because as you know, we all do it every night all our lives... but unconsciously of course. The key is to learn to remain conscious during this natural process.
So nothing to worry about and best of luck !