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you are doing fine those sensations are normal. just keep practicing and be patient

hello everyone.

i was reading around the internet at work today when I came across an essay by Terence McKenna. I dont know if anyone here is familiar with his work but he has somep really interesting stuff. Anyway- i read this passage here-

I first experimented with DMT in 1965; it was even then a compound rarely met with. It is surprising how few people are familiar with it, for we live in a society that is absolutely obsessed with every kind of sensation imaginable and that adores every therapy, every intoxication, every sexual configuration, and all forms of media overload. Yet, however much we may be hedonists or pursuers of the bizarre, we find DMT to be too much. It is, as they say in Spanish, bastante, it's enough - so much enough that it's too much. Once smoked, the onset of the experience begins in about fifteen seconds. One falls immediately into a trance. One's eyes are closed and one hears a sound like ripping cellophane, like someone crumpling up plastic film and throwing it away. A friend of mine suggests this is our radio entelechy ripping out of the organic matrix. An ascending tone is heard. Also present is the normal hallucinogenic modality, a shifting geometric surface of migrating and changing colored forms. At the synaptic site of activity, all available bond sites are being occupied, and one experiences the mode shift occurring over a period of about thirty seconds. At that point one arrives in a place that defies description, a space that has a feeling of being underground, or somehow insulated and domed. In Finnegans Wake such a place is called the "merry go raum," from the German word raum, for "space." The room is actually going around, and in that space one feels like a child, though one has come out somewhere in eternity.

Now a couple things astonish me here.

1- The audio "hallucinations" at the onset of the trip. VERY similar to some of the exit sensations or phasing sensations.

2- Does anyone else think he describes Fz- 3d darkness- to a tee?

So, what do you guys think? Are drugs a way of perhaps inducing awareness-shifts? Or do you think these are stupid hallucinations? What are your theories on drugs? Im looking for alot of viewpoints so feel free to share- just dont drop any of that "drugs are bad yada yada".

in this game there is no secret =(

the only option is figuring out how the system works and manipulating it. good luck with that.

I would say you were interacting with your F2oC. If you dont know what that is search for "Phasing" or go to the astral FAQ/Permanent topics forums.

I wouldnt write it off as simple "imagination". our imagination is a powerful tool and is completely underrated.

I would say that this sounds like a good mental rundown. If you try this again, imagine yourself there, engage your physical senses, and see what happens. If you practice enough sooner or later you will "phase" into the scene and actually BE THERE. Sounds like you already started the process before, finishing should be no hard task

mental rundown

noticing exercise

ROPE

etc etc just use search

Anyway, i felt incredible joy! I thought "YES! I'M lucid, TURN ON THE INDICATOR! UP THE ACCELERATION!"
As i turned out of the roundabout i was suddenly alone, as if when i became lucid everyone else disappeared. I got nervous about whether or not i was lucid, so i said "if I'm lucid, there will be a blue car in the next driveway

haha, i know this exact feeling man. I was in a car, and I became lucid. I remember thinking SWEEEET! and just flying through the window, then losing lucidity like 20 seconds later

Its sort of like the feeling you get when you realized youve been daydreaming.

[playing]

If you have ever played a videogame, you will know that theres a big difference between playing the game and coding the game.

Just because you WANT that extra 200 points doesnt mean you GET it!

being sick/having a fever also seems to help people. Seems related.

Interesting

did it hurt?

your scared because you dont know what was happening. but rest assured you will not get hurt. it sounds like some play between your energy centers that you accidently set off in a sort of trance state. dont worry about it

interesting post...i was thinking the other day about this. drugs force our awareness into other focus levels so why cant some drugs give you an f4 overlay? i imagine alot of the "feelings" that people experience have to do with F4... would be interesting to explore this further.

i dont think you know what f2oc is. it is your thought processes, imagination, subconscious, etc. the real time zone is probably closer to F1oC(The physical).

F3oC is the "common area" of concsiousness. its like the physical, only infinite in size and subjective (objectivly speaking )

[Whats the difference?]

Whats the difference?

Agreed I dont see any reason to condemn RB's beliefs but Franks goals are completely different, hes the henry ford of the a.p. world

lol...i think most countries govt.s are wise to the wider reality by now. I hate to say it but Im sure they try to keep the noise down as far as word getting out goes. I even heard that they train people in remote viewing here in the states. this means that they acknowledge these things, know about them, and are training people as we speak...the remote viewing thing was in the EIGHTIES i believe so imagine what theyre doing now!

anyway as the whole notion of non physical reality starts to become more accepted, as I believe it is, we will start to see some changes.

as our knowledge increases i think its inevitable that science proves non physical reality. We all believe in it anyway, we just dont know the specifics.

Frank,

you said " But there are untold numbers of people living their lives within Primary Focus 3 of consciousness who don't even realise they have died, physically"

Does this mean that they also have the same PEOPLE that interacted with them in their PF3 construct? If so are these people just constructs themselves?

You are both right and wrong.

Think of a spectrum. On one side is objective, on the other subjective. Our brain is what lets us have objective knowing of things. Anything you can touch, see, etc. is an objective thing. A tree in your mind, while subjective in nature, is still an objective knowing of "tree".

Now, youve probably heard of Platos Cave. Think of the shadows on the wall of the cave as the objective knowing of reality. The puppets are subjective knowing, which we as humans have a hard time comprehending unless you experience F4. All other focus states before F4 are "objective" in a way that they deal with objects you can see, touch, etc. F4 is the first step towards a truly subjective reality.

I like to think of the objective actions as the prettier side of the deal. Much like the Matrix was a prettier version of the scrolling green symbols

we understand completely what you are saying, but on the other hand, this is bascially the model of metaphysics- we are in the business of proving, or trying to prove the validity of the model, not to understand it. It is easy to prove something with the thing itself as an assumption to getting you there, but the big flaw is that you were only able to prove the thing because you assumed it to be true to begin with. This model has gotten us places, but a spiritualist should understand the idea of progress- isn't that what we are all about? To progress, we must proceed without assumptions: that is the task here.

Thanks for the input, and take care!

But you realize the physical world fits the mental, not the other way around? We create the proof itself, not just the argument. The only problem is getting others to accept the reality you have provided. Frank talked about it once, i cant find the post though.

There are an infinity number of concepts and ideas lodged within your F2oC. There really is no way to tell for sure wether you are in your own constructed "exorcist" or the real deal. Then again, there really is no difference anyway because movies themselves are "fake". But yes it is perfectly possible to project to F2oC then enter an "exorcist" construct. It would be as real as the real thing and im sure you would have a great time.

You are both right and wrong.

Think of a spectrum. On one side is objective, on the other subjective. Our brain is what lets us have objective knowing of things. Anything you can touch, see, etc. is an objective thing. A tree in your mind, while subjective in nature, is still an objective knowing of "tree".

Now, youve probably heard of Platos Cave. Think of the shadows on the wall of the cave as the objective knowing of reality. The puppets are subjective knowing, which we as humans have a hard time comprehending unless you experience F4. All other focus states before F4 are "objective" in a way that they deal with objects you can see, touch, etc. F4 is the first step towards a truly subjective reality.

I like to think of the objective actions as the prettier side of the deal. Much like the Matrix was a prettier version of the scrolling green symbols.

I do think that outside of our physical linear timeframe, all probable experiences exist (or are stored then) in some way.


If such a thing really exists, then everything is predetermined!

No, outside of physical reality, there is no time so it is impossible for reality to be predetermined. Rather, think of reality as channeled. You are born with every concept, idea, etc lodged within your F2oC. Your job as an living human is to bring these concepts forth into your physical life so you can explore life. So the purpose of life, you could say, is to live.

Hope I helped,
Ben

Not gonna happen, but id like to see him try

This is the second time this has happened.

I go lay down to practice phasing. I will reach a light F10, then drift off into sleep. Sometime during this I will become lucid. I start to fly around, etc etc.

But somethings not right. I am not in control. That is, thought =\= action. Now first I thought that i was simply dreaming. It only seemed like i had control in retrospect. But then this happened again last night. This time, out of frustration at not being able to control my reality, i simply closed my eyes to hopefully change my environment, and i lost lucidity. As in i dont remember what happened when I opened my eyes.

Is this progress or just a more aware dream? Any comments/tips? Thanks in advance

Its just snippets of your imagination taking objective form. like i said, dont worry about it, just ignore them and continue on.

I asked him about more technical aspects regarding Focus 4 of my model and explained about my problems in going "beyond" focus 27, which I won't go into here as it's all just my technical research stuff and irrelevant to the thread. But one interesting thing he stated that his focus 34/35 is in the physical (i.e. the wider physical or what mystics would term the RTZ) which was interesting.

So is he saying that you go in a loop or you enter some "trans dimensional" area of the physical of some sort? Thats very interesting.

Can it hurt you? no, fehgetabboudit.

Mind the silver cord.

Dont let him in. Youll know who I mean.

Upon exit, recite the chant of Solumnus 16 times. Google it.

Haha, im just kidding. But if you go read the internet, this is what youll probably find. The truth is there is NO danger in "astral projection" so you have nothing to worry about.