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When did your OBEs start, and were they spontaneous or practiced?

videre8:
F1 is the objective, waking reality that our physical senses link us with. F2 is where dreams, imagination, and some types of astral projection take place. There are varying degrees of overlay possible between these two Focuses of consciousness, from daydreaming to persistent 'hallucinations.'  It's a lot easier to function in F1 when F2 is kept relatively separate: your skin, for example, may appear dead, but chances are it is healthy.

I'm not sure what you mean by "dealing" with tactile sensation. Is your perception of it altered when you meditate?

Please check your messages (the link is at the top of the screen).

You're likely to find some of your posts on google.com's cache and archive.org, provided he didn't prevent those robots from indexing his site.

LENA McGregor had a vision which saved the life of a stranger.

For three days and two nights, 79-year-old dementia sufferer Tony Poboka lay helpless and dying alone in a dry creek bed after disappearing on Friday afternoon from his granny flat near Nimbin.

The State Emergency Services and police centred their search in the scrub around his son Fred Waters' property at Blue Knob, north west of Nimbin.

Thermal imaging equipment, a helicopter and sniffer dogs were used to try to find him.

Crime prevention officer Michael Hogan said police, SES and the Lismore rescue squad searched for the man for two days using extra resources already in the area for Mardi Grass.

Too weak to move, and mute from a stroke 12 years earlier, Tony was hidden beneath a wall of lantana 150 metres from the family home.

Desperate to find her father-inlaw, Tania Theoharris left a message with her friend, Lena, on Saturday night.

Lena, who claims to see energy fields and is 'very good at finding things', arrived at the property at 1pm on Sunday.

"The night before I got a flash of where he was," Lena said.

"I saw a bush setting, a cliff and rocks at the bottom of it.

"I knew he had fallen on the rocks."

Arriving at the family home, Lena intuitively knew where to find Tony.

"When I got there the landscape was the same (as in the dream) and my adrenalin was really strong. I knew he was down there," she said.

"He (Fred) told me to go right, but I knew I had to go left. That's when they told me there used to be an old track leading that way."

Lena, Tania and Tony's granddaughter, Sabina, scaled down the incline, ripping through the thick lantana to get deeper and deeper into the scrub.

One hundred metres down the ravine they found Tony at the bottom of a dried-up creek almost totally obscured from view.

Shaking from hypothermia and barely opening his eyes, Tony was alive.

"It's a very extraordinary miracle that he was found by this lady.

"He would've been dead in another three hours," Fred said.

"I'd say only one person in every 100 million has the power she has. She's a very special person."

Despite earning her living as a clairvoyant, Lena does not want money for finding Tony.

She has only asked to return to the property to help the family uncover the mystery of how Tony ended up where he did.

Tony is in Lismore Base Hospital and is recovering remarkably well.

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I would tell them to work on grounding themselves in the physical. Their experiences in F2 are likely interpretations of F1, or manifestations of their own subconscious thoughts.

All of the stuff about his mother really begs for psychoanalysis. Most importantly, please ask them to stop the skin eating. :confused: Their skin is not dead, and even if it appears so, will not harm them.

AMANDA PARK — Clifford Foss had a vision.

A child was trapped in Prairie Creek and could not get out.

The vision awoke him at 3 a.m. It gnawed incessantly at him. Foss tried to ignore it. He was tired and wanted to sleep.

But the vision would not go away.

Around 7:30 a.m. on Tuesday, Foss and his 22-year-old son, Clifford "Jesse" left their Amanda Park home, stopped for coffee and then headed a mile and a half down Highway 101 to Jesse's shake mill.

When they passed Prairie Creek, Clifford Foss looked for signs of trouble, but seeing nothing, discounted his premonition.

Then they passed Milburn Creek. A three-foot section of guard rail was bent back on the opposite side of the road. Muddy tire tracks pointed toward the creek.

They kept driving. Accidents happen and are cleared away in the middle of the night all the time, he reasoned.

"Did you hear an ambulance last night," Clifford remembers asking his son.

"No," was the reply.

"We better go back," the elder Foss decided.

He turned around and parked beside the guard rail. Jesse hopped out and peered down into the 20-foot ravine. A black, mangled pick-up truck, partially obscured by trees, was at the bottom of the shallow creek. A man hung halfway out the driver's side window, covered in blood. He yelled for help — and Jesse Foss scampered down to him.

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I have a problem with my heart beat too... it seems when I'm so relaxed it is a constant reminder of my body... very distracting. It's only a problem half the time too.

Focus on the period between beats. If you do this while in a light trance state, the heartbeat will eventually disappear from your awareness.

Last question:

After trying a bunch of times to relax the body I REALLY have a hard time relaxing my eyelids, its almost like they need to be taped down. Any suggestions?

There are quite a few posts on this board related to tension in the eyes. The eyelid actually requires a muscle contraction in order for it to shut, so it may be impossible to entirely relax that area. Try to get used to it.

Should i be concentrating on the sound waves from my earphones? or should they be in the background while i concentrate on something else? If so, what should i be concentrating on?

I put more emphasis on observation than concentration. It's like a mental staring: look to the state of mind that brings trance and relaxation, while ignoring the one that brings thoughts and commentary.

Could you describe more about how you learned to read in dreams?

My answer would also have been curiosity.

Every night we go to sleep, and most of us (not including insomniacs) don't think of it as work. When we practice AP, we are basically 'sleeping skillfully.' This sort of relaxed and patient attitude has helped me maintain a regular practice for almost a year now. YMMV. Good luck!  

Another INTJ here.

Both are pretty much intertwined, but in the end I think perhaps we should make the distinction between lucidity and awareness...

In dreams, you are a little lucid (you can see and hear) but not aware at all (you do not know you are in a dream until you wake up).

I guess that's why training memory alone or awareness alone wouldn't work at all!

Yeah, lucidity is a better predictor of recall, and what I should have said instead of awareness. In a few instances I've had great recall of dreams in which I was completely unaware.

I think recall follows awareness. Can we remember that which we were unaware of?

come on, for all the people who have read this thread are you saying that you don't practice?  or that you have no comment on your own experiences with your technique?  It's through reflecting on and evaluating the results we get with whatever techniques we use that we get better at this.

Some of us (like me) haven't decided on a technique yet.  

This would be a good outreach opportunity for AP'ers. I'm sure there are local groups for the blind that might welcome meditation and AP instruction.

They have an official web forum here [powerfulintentions.com].

I sometimes get those overlays if I wake prematurely. I've found that the objects can be influenced if I alter my emotional disposition towards them.

The single time this happened, a menacing dream character standing near my bed did a couple of exaggerated kung-fu moves after I thought that seeing it was ridiculous.

YMMV.

Maybe it represents a fear of doing/trying new things :question:

Relax. AP simply isn't an art that can be mastered by forceful effort.

Last night I got about 15 seconds of brilliant hypnogogic patterns and colors while in trance. There were sensations of movement when I tried to exit, but for whatever reason the experience didn't evolve into a projection.  Was I disappointed? No!  

[Leilah]

Leilah:

The only part of his technique that I used was avoiding being pulled into the hypnogogic images. The ringing noise doesn't happen for me, or if it does tinnitus is masking it.

uhhuhhim:

Read the beginning of that thread I linked to if you want all the info.

Yesterday I had a psychogenic seizure. It was pretty intense. I don't know whether energy work made me more senistive to its effects, or if everyone who has them experiences them as I did.

Normally my heart center feels like a small, clinched fist; during the seizure it was the size of a basketball, with significant pressure in the area. There was a strong electrical tingling in my arms up to the elbows. It took me several hours to completely move the energy down to the subnavel, then out the legs. I'd never had so much energy in my system before, even when raising it during trance for over an hour.

While researching what happened, I was really struck by how similar seizures are to energy practices. Dramatic Kundalini effects could easily be misdiagnosed as epilepsy. This was more proof than I ever wanted that the physical effects of energy work are absolutely real, and probably cause changes within the brain and nervous system.

Hello the present moment,

I know i am being a real moran with this but you were wrong with that movie, the chair in the movie broke AFTER ellie unbuckled herself to inspect something at the window, and in your scenario she would have been killed and that's not what daddy would have wanted.

But i am really sorry for being so darn lame, but i could'nt help it.

bye

No problem, it's been a while since I saw the movie. I think the analogy still applies, regardless of whether the chair broke off.

This post in the Permanent Topics section contained a great tip that got me into a pre-OBE state for the first time. I'm confident that I would have had an OBE had I not gotten so excited.

Before going to bed I did some affirmations and thought about a few of Monroe's stories to get myself into a positive mindset. I lay on my back without relaxing or going into trance, or doing anything really unique besides falling asleep. In order to avoid entering into a dream, I observed the hypnogogic state and the way I was feeling, being careful not to fully wakeup or fall asleep. After the images stopped, vibrations started in my legs and quickly spread through my body; a minute or two later my whole body was rumbling, and a huge amount of energy was building in my crown center.

I hadn't felt strong vibrations before, they really caught me off guard.   It reminded me of the movie Contact, where the main character, Ellie, travels in a small pod through a dimensional portal. There are vibrations during the first minute of the journey that eventually cause the chair Ellie is sitting in to break loose from the pod, and she then unbuckles her restraints and floats through the air. It couldn't be any more perfect an analogy for OBEs.

One variable which may have helped this technique was a lack of sleep the previous night. I have no idea whether it will work consistently.

Waldo Vieira said you have to orgasm with a partner everyday in order to project...not that I believe that but it helps him.

His partner believed him, and that's what really counts.